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Offline catherineofsiena

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« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2012, 03:34:37 AM »
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  • The strangest things get thumbs down around here.  I can't figure it out.

    Anyway, I don't believe the list has been suggested as an enemies list and I certainly wouldn't support that or putting priests on it who haven't declared either way.  But, in the interest of self preservation, it would be helpful to know so John Q. Trad doesn't approach Fr. Rostand and say "Hey, Father!  We're getting an underground resistance group going.  Wanna be a part of it?"

    That's the point.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31

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    « Reply #91 on: June 29, 2012, 06:55:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: trento
    Quote from: Seraphim
      Since we do not want to betray the discretion of those US District priests who may be biding their time before declaring their opposition to the sellout, I would be most interested to see a list supplied by Cathinfo readers of priests SUPPORTING the sellout.

       If your parish priest supports the sellout, what is his name/parish?

       Or what other priests do you know support the sellout?

       And, does this topic deserve its own thread?


    Dear Seraphim,

    As far as I know, most priests are not what you call "supporting the sellout". Most are just waiting to see the details of the doctrinal preamble and the detailed practical aspects of the canonical structure if any are offered. To label them as "supporting the sellout" is premature and counter-productive to the cause of Tradition, at best.


    I am talking about starting aa list identifying those priests who have publicized their support of the sellout, not listing those presently silent in the matter.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #92 on: June 29, 2012, 06:57:12 AM »
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    Charity requires that we assume the best about people, and then be forced to admit otherwise after much proof.

    NOT the other way around -- assume the worst, and take them off the "crap list" when proof is found/given.

    So, long story short, the Catholic way is to NOT compile a list of the "silent" ones and claim they are pro-sellout.

    We must assume the best -- that they are good Catholics AGAINST a sellout.


       Who is talking about starting a list of priests silent in the matter?

       I'm talking about starting a list of priests publicly supporting the sellout?

       You find that uncharitable???
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #93 on: June 29, 2012, 08:17:01 AM »
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  • We're in war mode now.  Access to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Confession are clearly at stake.  The laity needs to be as well-informed as possible; so a list of enemies (while unpalatable in better times) is necessary.

    I do believe that we shouldn't jump the gun and make unfounded accusations.  The list should be prepared behind closed doors and await publication until after the SSPX July meeting.  I am positive that there will be a few "shockers" on that list.  

    We are living through the time predicted in the Third Secret.  May our Lady of Fatima be our guide, help, and protection ...

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    « Reply #94 on: June 29, 2012, 11:27:37 AM »
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  • Blessings in Christ!  Everyone will do what they will do, however I highly urge you not to create this negative list.  Nothing good can come of it.  Who can know what priests will change their minds.  I know laypeople who changed their minds after the issue with the Dominicans and Capuchins.  Why label any priests in a bad light.  It is one thing to recognize the terrible actions of Fellay and the leadership but quite another to create an "enemies" list of regular priests, who may be confused, uninformed, etc and who could change their minds.  That is my view.  


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    « Reply #95 on: June 29, 2012, 05:31:16 PM »
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    Blessings in Christ!  Everyone will do what they will do, however I highly urge you not to create this negative list.  Nothing good can come of it.  Who can know what priests will change their minds.  I know laypeople who changed their minds after the issue with the Dominicans and Capuchins.  Why label any priests in a bad light.  It is one thing to recognize the terrible actions of Fellay and the leadership but quite another to create an "enemies" list of regular priests, who may be confused, uninformed, etc and who could change their minds.  That is my view.  


    You make a good point, Amicus.

    Seraphim -- I was talking more about making a list of "silent" priests, which was indeed talked about last time we brought up this topic (so I'm not completely crazy here).

    But even so, coming back to Amicus' point -- these priests shouldn't be forced to dig their heels in and make it easier to later on "switch sides".

    Positive and negative lists are not the same thing. The Catholic Church has a list of Saints, but not anti-Saints.

    Churches have lists of who to pray for -- but not who NOT to pray for.

    So he's on to something, but it's hard to put it into words.
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    « Reply #96 on: June 29, 2012, 05:48:26 PM »
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  • Well, actually, the Catholic Church really does have a list of "anti saints":  Judas Iscariot; Julian the Apostate; Martin Luther; Henry VIII; etc., etc.

    It is no sin to know who the enemy is, in fact, it is good to know who is in desperate need of prayer.

                                       Irish Prayer

    May Those that love us, love us
    And those that don't love us
    May God turn their hearts
    And if He doesn't turn their hearts
    May He turn their ankles
    So we'll know them by their limping!

    Offline Tomas de Torquemada

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    « Reply #97 on: June 29, 2012, 06:57:33 PM »
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    Charity requires that we assume the best about people, and then be forced to admit otherwise after much proof.

    NOT the other way around -- assume the worst, and take them off the "crap list" when proof is found/given.




    I could not agree more.  


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    « Reply #98 on: June 29, 2012, 07:21:51 PM »
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    Blessings in Christ!  Everyone will do what they will do, however I highly urge you not to create this negative list.  Nothing good can come of it.  Who can know what priests will change their minds.  I know laypeople who changed their minds after the issue with the Dominicans and Capuchins.  Why label any priests in a bad light.  It is one thing to recognize the terrible actions of Fellay and the leadership but quite another to create an "enemies" list of regular priests, who may be confused, uninformed, etc and who could change their minds.  That is my view.  


    You make a good point, Amicus.

    Seraphim -- I was talking more about making a list of "silent" priests, which was indeed talked about last time we brought up this topic (so I'm not completely crazy here).

    But even so, coming back to Amicus' point -- these priests shouldn't be forced to dig their heels in and make it easier to later on "switch sides".

    Positive and negative lists are not the same thing. The Catholic Church has a list of Saints, but not anti-Saints.

    Churches have lists of who to pray for -- but not who NOT to pray for.

    So he's on to something, but it's hard to put it into words.


    A dirty list of who's in favor of a sell-out could easily have mistakes, such as
    listing some priests who are rumored or have spoken imprudently, only to regret
    it soon thereafter, but then it's too late, etc. It could also be missing some who
    are not so outspoken but are instead doing a lot of dirty work in the background,
    where nobody can see it happening. Remember Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and
    his "clandestines?" Almost nobody on the outside knew about those until later.

    Don't presume this kind of thing isn't going on now! +Fellay has his henchmen
    in key positions, but you can be pretty sure there is a network all over the world,
    working for the success of the sellout, and they would take your dirty list and
    use it for dinner-time entertainment!

    But in the end, it isn't really noble-minded to make such a list, as Amicus says.
    You would be stooping to their level, so to speak. There is much greater virtue
    in making the "in danger" list. Those are the priest we need to be extra
    conscious of, such as, if we ever get the chance to meet them or come to their
    aid: woe to us who are ignorant when we should not be! As for the ones "on
    the fence," they might be encouraged to see that there is support out there for
    priests who are willing to take a stand for the Faith, come what may. Don't
    presume this is not a very difficult quandary for them.

    At the same time, I think it's helpful to see the key players pushing for the deal,
    such as those close to +Fellay and the various district superiors. I think we need
    to be apprised of their antics, all right.
     
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    « Reply #99 on: July 01, 2012, 01:51:33 AM »
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  • Updated 6/30/2012:

    1).  Fr. Ernesto Cardozo (Currently in Mexico) – Contact Info Available  

    2).  Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

    3).  Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz (Italy) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

    4).  Fr. Basilio Meramo (Colombia) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

    5).  Fr. Francis Chazal (Philippines)

    6).  Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

    7).  Fr. Paul Morgan (UK)

    8).  His Lordship, Bishop Richard Williamson (UK) - Contact Info Available

    9).  Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani (Argentina) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out

    10).  Fr. Juan Jose Turco (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

    11).  Fr. Curzio Notiglia (Italy) - Contact Info Available

    12).  Fr. Joven Soliman (Philippines) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available

    13).  Mosteiro de Santa Cruz (Brazil) - (Benedictines attached to SSPX) - Contact Info Available

    14).  Fr. Jean de Morgon (OFM Cap) (Aurenque, France)  

    15).  Traditional Capuchins of Morgon, France

    16).  Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)

    17).  Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

    18).  Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada)

    19).  His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (France)

    20).  Fr. A (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    21).  Fr. B (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    22).  Fr. C (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    23).  Fr. Michel Koller (France)

    24).  Fr. David Hewko (USA)

    25).  Fr. Steven Reuter (USA)

    26).  Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)

    27). Fr. D (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    28).  Fr. Damien Fox (Canada)

    29).  Fr. Charles Moulin (France)

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    « Reply #100 on: July 02, 2012, 05:34:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Amicus24
    Updated 6/30/2012:

    1).  Fr. Ernesto Cardozo (Currently in Mexico) – Contact Info Available  

    2).  Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

    3).  Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz (Italy) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

    4).  Fr. Basilio Meramo (Colombia) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

    5).  Fr. Francis Chazal (Philippines)

    6).  Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

    7).  Fr. Paul Morgan (UK)

    8).  His Lordship, Bishop Richard Williamson (UK) - Contact Info Available

    9).  Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani (Argentina) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out

    10).  Fr. Juan Jose Turco (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

    11).  Fr. Curzio Notiglia (Italy) - Contact Info Available

    12).  Fr. Joven Soliman (Philippines) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available

    13).  Mosteiro de Santa Cruz (Brazil) - (Benedictines attached to SSPX) - Contact Info Available

    14).  Fr. Jean de Morgon (OFM Cap) (Aurenque, France)  

    15).  Traditional Capuchins of Morgon, France

    16).  Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)

    17).  Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

    18).  Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada)

    19).  His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (France)

    20).  Fr. A (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    21).  Fr. B (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    22).  Fr. C (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    23).  Fr. Michel Koller (France)

    24).  Fr. David Hewko (USA)

    25).  Fr. Steven Reuter (USA)

    26).  Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)

    27). Fr. D (Name withheld for now) (Germany)

    28).  Fr. Damien Fox (Canada)

    29).  Fr. Charles Moulin (France)




    Neither of the other two bishops are in danger of expulsion.  Your list is disingenuous while His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais remains on it.


    This priest said he wasn't even so much as contacted- Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada) -so why is he on this list?

    At least keep it honest if you are going to run a list like this.

    If you have names of priests on here who are on here just because they spoke out publicly than would it not behoove you to put next to their name-"spoke out publicly, status unknown" until you know for certain whether or not they face actual expulsion or not?



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    « Reply #101 on: July 02, 2012, 06:51:47 PM »
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  • Some people just don't give a Krahp about the truth...

    Who told you the other 2 bishops aren't in danger of expulsion???

    Haven't you realized that ANYONE who says a jota against the SELL-OUT is in serious trouble??? Haven't you seen the all over retaliations against numerous priests, +W, Dominicans, Franciscans, Priories around the globe, etc.???

    What world are you in?

    Don't you bother answering, we know you are still in MENZINGEN'S WORLD, where the promised rainbow was supposed to bring us to the pot of gold; but instead, for some reason, it became a pot with 30 pieces of silver.

    Talking about honesty, have you looked at the mirror lately?


    KYRIE ELEISON!!! Really.
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    « Reply #102 on: July 02, 2012, 07:59:30 PM »
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  • It has been reported to me by a Priest who is not on this list, that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais told him that he(the Bishop) was being transferred to Chicago soon permanently I believe.

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    « Reply #103 on: July 02, 2012, 08:23:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: LordPhan
    It has been reported to me by a Priest who is not on this list, that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais told him that he(the Bishop) was being transferred to Chicago soon permanently I believe.


    What? Why Chicago??  :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #104 on: July 02, 2012, 08:24:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: LordPhan
    It has been reported to me by a Priest who is not on this list, that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais told him that he(the Bishop) was being transferred to Chicago soon permanently I believe.


    I second, Why Chicago? There's not even a priory there, correct?