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Offline Matthew

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Running an experiment on the SSPX
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:06:45 AM »
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  • Some say the SSPX hasn't changed, that it's still +Lefevbre's fighting machine for the Catholic Faith against the evils of Modernism and the modern world.

    Others say that a large portion of the SSPX, including many priests and all of the leadership, has opened itself to liberalism and the modern world -- especially Vatican II -- and is on a firm path towards reconciliation with UNCONVERTED modernist Rome.

    Who is right? ARRRRRGHHHH!

    (I know who is right, but I'm just playing the confused layman here. Bear with me...)

    So how can I determine where God's truth lies?

    Well, I can open my eyes. Keep them open. Look at a thousand clues, and I should be able to figure it out. For example, this experiment.

    If the SSPX hasn't changed, it shouldn't have a problem with promoting the reign of Christ the King, right?

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/qVqX4gh1erc[/youtube]

    I posted this video of Fr. Zendejas singing "Viva Cristo Rey" in Connecticut on two Facebook groups.

    SSPX Faithful
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    Traditional Catholics in Support of the Latin Tridentine Mass

    The SSPX Faithful moderator removed my post within 10 seconds.
    The other group had much more favorable results.

    Here are the comments SO FAR:

    9 people like this.

    Javier Ruiz IV - Martyr Ezequiel Huerta composed the hymn and sung it until the firing squad shot him, he was my great granny´s neighbour and his family is very dear to mine.
    17 hrs · Like · 1

    Matthew - There's nothing more Catholic than to want Christ to reign over human society as King -- for His Law to be supreme, not just over Catholics in Church on Sunday, but over the whole world. It all belongs to Him. That's why I love this hymn.
    16 hrs · Like · 1

    Matthew - If it weren't for the Cristeros, we'd have a Communist country right below Texas. Need I point out, we owe the Cristeros a great debt of gratitude for keeping Mexico Catholic!
    16 hrs · Like · 1

    Javier Ruiz IV - and they fought with all human odds against them, the federales had the support of the US govt. with weapons, planes and pilots bombing them, and still the Cristeros won almost every battle with the aid of God.
    16 hrs · Unlike · 2

    Juan Montemayor Del Rosario - My family surprised me singing this at my Confirmacion party. They knew how much I loved the movie.
    13 hrs · Like · 1

    Mary Jo McGee Anderson - Beautiful!!!!
    51 mins · Like


    So the mainstream "Traditional Catholics" love the hymn, and are being edified by it,

    where the SSPX group is letting their HATRED of Fr. Zendejas overrule the glory that would be given to God by each person who watched this video.


    I'm sorry, but it looks like the SSPX has been bitten by ... something.

    At the very least, I can conclude from this experiment that the SSPX is being overcome by politics and sectarianism at the moment. The old SSPX I knew would embrace anything promoting the reign of Christ the King.

    And this video has NOTHING about the Resistance in it, except for images of the priests involved. The only Resistance in this video is Cristero resistance to Masonry and Communism!

    But since this video of Fr. Zendejas is something so POSITIVE, and casts him in a positive light, it might upset the SSPX War Machine department which is trying to cast Fr. Zendejas as the devil himself. It goes against their political goals. Hence the video is not welcome.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 15, 2015, 10:21:01 AM »
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  • You really have to think deeply about this.

    If they are correct, that Fr. Zendejas went "evil", then most people should be able to see that for themselves, right?

    Just like Gamaliel said to the Sanhedrin: If it be of God, we can't stop it. If it be the work of men, it will come to nothing.

    Why should the SSPX get all bent out of shape about the Resistance, if they don't have the first leg to stand on? How many discontents and roaches could there possibly be in each congregation? Just be GLAD they're gone, right?

    But the level of opposition I've seen in the SSPX towards the Resistance is more like morbid fear and near-panic. They know there is a real danger, since there IS in fact a huge reason for the Resistance to flourish.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2015, 10:53:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    You really have to think deeply about this.

    If they are correct, that Fr. Zendejas went "evil", then most people should be able to see that for themselves, right?

    Just like Gamaliel said to the Sanhedrin: If it be of God, we can't stop it. If it be the work of men, it will come to nothing.

    Why should the SSPX get all bent out of shape about the Resistance, if they don't have the first leg to stand on? How many discontents and roaches could there possibly be in each congregation? Just be GLAD they're gone, right?

    But the level of opposition I've seen in the SSPX towards the Resistance is more like morbid fear and near-panic. They know there is a real danger, since there IS in fact a huge reason for the Resistance to flourish.


    Good point!
    Yes, what exactly is the SSPX worried about anyway? Is the SSPX concerned with the Resistance leading people astray?...because the Resistance has lost the faith?  
     
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    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2015, 11:05:26 AM »
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  • I wonder what the people would do, if they KNEW that the SSPX considered them mindless sheep who need to be "protected" from various news sources, lest they embrace the truth instead of SSPX propaganda.

    It really exposes the cynicism that exists in the SSPX leadership. They really think their flock is stupid.

    What a horror -- they might see edifying videos like the one (above) and conclude that Fr. Zendejas is... good!

    That would go against the SSPX program of vilification of Fr. Zendejas and the Resistance in general, so we can't have that!
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    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2015, 11:09:04 AM »
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  • Let me explain it a bit more clearly:

    There are only two possibilities that would explain the SSPX behavior:

    1. The Resistance is evil (or at least demonically seductive), and the SSPX considers their flock to be stupid, in need of propaganda and protection to stay on the straight-and-narrow.

    2. The Resistance is good, and the Faithful must be blocked from seeing their words and works, lest the flock be convinced that the Resistance is good.

    So either the SSPX is cynical (#1) or outright malicious (#2) on just this one particular heading.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2015, 11:14:43 AM »
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  • Another point --

    Recall that the SSPX has, in many instances, claimed that the Resistance is non-Catholic, sectarian, evil, mortally sinful, etc.

    So if they allow videos of our "satanic mortal sin wallowing" which looks SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE THE EDIFYING WORKS OF THE CLASSIC SSPX, it might get a few people to stop and think!

    Again, that would break the spell, so they just censor it. They don't rebut or "limit the damage" by posting comments on the video -- no, they just delete it. It's too dangerous to their propaganda and well-crafted illusions they have created for the faithful.

    They may have fooled many, but they haven't fooled me, or many others here on CathInfo. I, for one, see right through their tricks.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2015, 02:34:05 PM »
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  • Here is a response from one of the members I e-mailed about this video:

    Is this kind of cult mentality common in the neo-SSPX? This kind of acquiescence to the Conciliar Church (Blessed Paul VI!??)

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it appears that there is a bona fide crisis in the SSPX. The Resistance most certainly has a most solid reason for being -- nothing less than preserving the Catholic Faith!

    This is seriously messed-up stuff. You can't make this up. Read on:

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    Dear lost and confused soul who wanders away from his Heavenly Father's Home, the Catholic Church,

    So many lies and calumny the work of the Archbishop! You are like the Protestants before you. You have no authority and no claim to injustice against you from any authorities in Church much less from the superiors of the Archbishop's original pious union of Apostolic life duely erected in the Catholic Church under Bl. Paul VI (a martyr, I believe).

    Of course, a Society affiliated group is going to take down a video of a priest who disobeys and calumniates their associates and chosen priests and spiritual directors. That's just common sense. Just the "resistance" tries to negate all the Society's work when it is against them and their lies.

    Finally, I know for a recorded fact Fr Schmidtberger was the Archbishop's first choice for his successor in the episcopate for the original four he wanted to consecrate, but he refused knowing the grave consequences and responsibility of being a bishop. Archbishop Lefebvre did not want to consecrate Williamson, and in fact, he was his last choice.

    Sincerely
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    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2015, 02:42:59 PM »
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  • I'm on those groups. Sspx faithful has tough moderators.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 02:47:40 PM »
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  • I'm going to address some of his points here:

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    Dear lost and confused soul who wanders away from his Heavenly Father's Home, the Catholic Church,

    So the SSPX is the Church now. At least no one can claim that the SSPX thinks they are the Church! But you're right -- we're not in communion with Bishop Fellay (the Pope?) which puts us outside of God's church (the SSPX?).

    So many lies and calumny the work of the Archbishop! You are like the Protestants before you. You have no authority and no claim to injustice against you from any authorities in Church much less from the superiors of the Archbishop's original pious union of Apostolic life duely erected in the Catholic Church under Bl. Paul VI (a martyr, I believe).

    Blessed Paul VI?  A martyr? What have you been smoking?

    Of course, a Society affiliated group is going to take down a video of a priest who disobeys and calumniates their associates and chosen priests and spiritual directors. That's just common sense. Just the "resistance" tries to negate all the Society's work when it is against them and their lies.

    Nice calumny there against Fr. Zendejas as well as the Resistance in general, but can you substantiate any of that? What has Fr. Zendejas said against the SSPX (or any individuals) that isn't true? Some substance would be nice.

    Finally, I know for a recorded fact Fr Schmidtberger was the Archbishop's first choice for his successor in the episcopate for the original four he wanted to consecrate, but he refused knowing the grave consequences and responsibility of being a bishop. Archbishop Lefebvre did not want to consecrate Williamson, and in fact, he was his last choice.

    Is this the re-written history they teach nowadays? The Ministry of Truth must be working overtime. Seriously, though, this is the first time I heard that one. I bet some accordista priest just made that up to shut up a Bishop Williamson supporter who raised that point with him.

    Sincerely
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    « Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 03:10:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    And this video has NOTHING about the Resistance in it, except for images of the priests involved.


    THIS ^^^ is all it takes.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 04:19:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I'm going to address some of his points here:

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    Dear lost and confused soul who wanders away from his Heavenly Father's Home, the Catholic Church,

    So the SSPX is the Church now. At least no one can claim that the SSPX thinks they are the Church! But you're right -- we're not in communion with Bishop Fellay (the Pope?) which puts us outside of God's church (the SSPX?).

    So many lies and calumny the work of the Archbishop! You are like the Protestants before you. You have no authority and no claim to injustice against you from any authorities in Church much less from the superiors of the Archbishop's original pious union of Apostolic life duely erected in the Catholic Church under Bl. Paul VI (a martyr, I believe).

    Blessed Paul VI?  A martyr? What have you been smoking?

    Of course, a Society affiliated group is going to take down a video of a priest who disobeys and calumniates their associates and chosen priests and spiritual directors. That's just common sense. Just the "resistance" tries to negate all the Society's work when it is against them and their lies.

    Nice calumny there against Fr. Zendejas as well as the Resistance in general, but can you substantiate any of that? What has Fr. Zendejas said against the SSPX (or any individuals) that isn't true? Some substance would be nice.

    Finally, I know for a recorded fact Fr Schmidtberger was the Archbishop's first choice for his successor in the episcopate for the original four he wanted to consecrate, but he refused knowing the grave consequences and responsibility of being a bishop. Archbishop Lefebvre did not want to consecrate Williamson, and in fact, he was his last choice.

    Is this the re-written history they teach nowadays? The Ministry of Truth must be working overtime. Seriously, though, this is the first time I heard that one. I bet some accordista priest just made that up to shut up a Bishop Williamson supporter who raised that point with him.

    Sincerely


    Finally, I know for a recorded fact Fr Schmidtberger was the Archbishop's first choice for his successor in the episcopate for the original four he wanted to consecrate, but he refused knowing the grave consequences and responsibility of being a bishop. Archbishop Lefebvre did not want to consecrate Williamson, and in fact, he was his last choice.

    Is this the re-written history they teach nowadays? The Ministry of Truth must be working overtime. Seriously, though, this is the first time I heard that one. I bet some accordista priest just made that up to shut up a Bishop Williamson supporter who raised that point with him.


    Awww man,I wanted to reply to this one! Beyond the shadow of a doubt the dumbest statement I've seen in a long time. :laugh1:


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    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 04:26:31 PM »
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  • The never ending gossip among "trads"

    Did he receive the communist crucifix ?

    Is he formal heretic now ?

    Is he pope ?

    Are the jews, the masons, the jesuits, the kings, the mob, the race ?

     :facepalm:

    Solution:

    "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: 11Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment."

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    « Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 04:36:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jonathan, quoted in Matthew's post
    You have no authority and no claim to injustice against you from any authorities in Church much less from the superiors of the Archbishop's original pious union of Apostolic life duely erected in the Catholic Church under Bl. Paul VI (a martyr, I believe).

    Of course, a Society affiliated group is going to take down a video of a priest who disobeys and calumniates their associates and chosen priests and spiritual directors.

    First, I cannot believe a trad is calling Paul VI "blessed" and a martyr. This the man who took away the true Mass and replaced it with a protestant service. This a man who put his weight behind Vatican II and forced all of its heresies down the throats of the faithful. And I will not even mention the rumors about the sinfulness of his personal life. I am amazed.

    And also, a less important point, Father Zendejas to my knowledge has not said anything publicly that could be called calumny against the SSPX. Unless you were present at one of his Masses how would you know that Father Zendejas was telling lies about the SSPX?  
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    « Reply #13 on: July 15, 2015, 04:54:52 PM »
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    Quote from: Jonathan, quoted in Matthew's post
    You have no authority and no claim to injustice against you from any authorities in Church much less from the superiors of the Archbishop's original pious union of Apostolic life duely erected in the Catholic Church under Bl. Paul VI (a martyr, I believe).

    Of course, a Society affiliated group is going to take down a video of a priest who disobeys and calumniates their associates and chosen priests and spiritual directors.

    First, I cannot believe a trad is calling Paul VI "blessed" and a martyr. This the man who took away the true Mass and replaced it with a protestant service. This a man who put his weight behind Vatican II and forced all of its heresies down the throats of the faithful. And I will not even mention the rumors about the sinfulness of his personal life. I am amazed.

    And also, a less important point, Father Zendejas to my knowledge has not said anything publicly that could be called calumny against the SSPX. Unless you were present at one of his Masses how would you know that Father Zendejas was telling lies about the SSPX?  


    You better, this is the most common feature among the "trads/choir boys". You know, truth is objective but not so much for them.

    "You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel."

     

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