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Rumor: Novus Ordo Priests Offer Mass in St. Marys KS.
« on: August 14, 2016, 05:34:13 PM »
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  • Has anybody else heard about this?

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2016/08/12/sspx-and-visiting-priests/

    SSPX and Visiting Priests
    Aug 12, 2016

    Recently I received the following e-mail:

    “St. Mary’s, KS recently has had separate visits by two priests, Fr. Tilosanec and Fr. McLucas.

    “Fr. McLucas offered mass there a few weeks ago.

    “Fr. Tilosaec offered masses, (one on a Sunday), heard confessions, and left ciboria of consecrated hosts in the tabernacle.

    “Both priests were ordained in the dubious New Rite. Both have not been conditionally reordained, as was the requirement of Archbishop Lefebvre and the ‘Old SSPX’.

    “Needless to say this has caused quite a stir in St. Mary’s.

    “District headquarters was contacted by several people to no avail. The response was that conditional reordination is no longer necessary. Parishoners were told to ‘trust the SSPX’.

    “Attached are two handwritten letters (see here and here) by the Archbishop about apostate Rome and conditional reordination.

    “Be aware of ‘visiting priests’ at the SSPX.”

    My postface:

    The neo-SSPX is sinking more and more into the Novus Ordo world.  It was toast years ago, but its colour becomes more like charcoal with each passing day.  And yet there are those who claim to be part of the Resistance who still try to justify their attendance at neo-SSPX Masses!  Even worse there are supposed Resistance bishops and priests who tell these attendees that it is okay to attend the Masses of certain neo-SSPX priests despite the fact that these same neo-SSPX priests have failed to publicly speak out against their leadership’s betrayal (now for over four years) of Catholic Tradition and the mission and memory of their saintly founder, Archbishop Lefebvre!  Incredible!  What exactly are these so called yellow lighters resisting?  The common justification given is that these neo-SSPX priests are doctrinally orthodox in that they don’t teach heresy or errors, but only the truth.  My counterargument is that, even if it true that they teach only the truth, is it really sufficient to teach the truth, but avoid condemning errors being taught by your own superiors?  No!  The flock need to be warned.  These superiors have been given plenty of opportunity to publicly retract their errors, but they have not done so.  Bishop Fellay, for example, still thinks that there is nothing wrong with his abominable April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration.

    My friends, we must follow the mind of the Church in teaching the truth AND condemning errors contrary to that truth.  These “doctrinally orthodox” neo-SSPX priests need to publicly condemn the errors of their superiors.  Otherwise, they are really no better than the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter priests who do the same in teaching the truth, but remain publicly silent against the errors of their own superiors and consequently place their flock in spiritual danger.  And the yellow lighters need to become red lighters.  They can’t scream and shout against the errors of the neo-SSPX superiors, but then unite in the greatest act of public worship with priests who remain publicly silent against the same errors of these same superiors.  Rather, they should get in the trenches, forgo the sacraments if they have to, and feed instead on the Holy Rosary, Brown Scapular, Spiritual Communions, traditional devotions, etc.  May of us have done so for years and, by the grace of God, are still going strong.  Deo gratias!
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    « Reply #1 on: August 16, 2016, 04:17:28 PM »
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  • If this is true, sspx'ers should be outraged.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 16, 2016, 04:36:16 PM »
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    If this is true, sspx'ers should be outraged.


    Well, if not outraged, at least amused. If this "Fr. McLucas"  is, in fact, Fr. James McLucas, one time publisher of the Latin Mass Magazine, then folks may be justifiably outraged and/or amused.

    I know Fr. James McLucas from the past.  10 to 15 years ago this 'Fr. McL.' was totally against the SSPX, and argued vociferously about the invalidity of sspx sacraments.  

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    « Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 05:32:55 PM »
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  • This is just further psychological, communistic minds games played by the sspx leadership against their sheep.  

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    « Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 05:50:43 PM »
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  • I am concerned that Father Gallagher, who is with the La Salette Boy's academy, has not been conditionally ordained. He came to the Society in 2011: http://www.lasalette.net/faculty-staff/

     I think this is the norm based on conversations I have had with  SSPX priests so keep vigilant if you are concerned about the New Rite ordinations.

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    « Reply #5 on: August 16, 2016, 06:10:03 PM »
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    10 to 15 years ago this 'Fr. McL.' was totally against the SSPX, and argued vociferously about the invalidity of sspx sacraments.  


    I wonder how he squares this today.

    Must have read Abp. Pozzo's interview and knows the deal is coming anyway...LOL.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 16, 2016, 09:41:13 PM »
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    I wonder how he squares this today.

    Must have read Abp. Pozzo's interview and knows the deal is coming anyway...LOL.


    I'm not saying this is Fr. James McLucas. Nobody has stepped forward to positively identify the priest.  But if it is, the man has come a long way.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2016, 11:09:36 PM »
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    This is just further psychological, communistic mind games played by the sspx leadership against their sheep.  


    The Virgin Mary at Fatima warned, "The errors of Russia will spread throughout the world."

    That ought to include (potentially) the SSPX.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 16, 2016, 11:34:10 PM »
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    Has anybody else heard about this?

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2016/08/12/sspx-and-visiting-priests/

    SSPX and Visiting Priests
    Aug 12, 2016

    Recently I received the following e-mail:

    “St. Mary’s, KS recently has had separate visits by two priests, Fr. Tilosanec and Fr. McLucas.

    “Fr. McLucas offered mass there a few weeks ago.

    “Fr. Tilosaec offered masses, (one on a Sunday), heard confessions, and left ciboria of consecrated hosts in the tabernacle.

    “Both priests were ordained in the dubious New Rite. Both have not been conditionally reordained, as was the requirement of Archbishop Lefebvre and the ‘Old SSPX’.

    “Needless to say this has caused quite a stir in St. Mary’s.

    “District headquarters was contacted by several people to no avail. The response was that conditional reordination is no longer necessary. Parishoners were told to ‘trust the SSPX’.

    “Attached are two handwritten letters (see here and here) by the Archbishop about apostate Rome and conditional reordination.

    “Be aware of ‘visiting priests’ at the SSPX.”

    My postface:

    The neo-SSPX is sinking more and more into the Novus Ordo world.  It was toast years ago, but its colour becomes more like charcoal with each passing day.  And yet there are those who claim to be part of the Resistance who still try to justify their attendance at neo-SSPX Masses!  Even worse there are supposed Resistance bishops and priests who tell these attendees that it is okay to attend the Masses of certain neo-SSPX priests despite the fact that these same neo-SSPX priests have failed to publicly speak out against their leadership’s betrayal (now for over four years) of Catholic Tradition and the mission and memory of their saintly founder, Archbishop Lefebvre!  Incredible!  What exactly are these so called yellow lighters resisting?  The common justification given is that these neo-SSPX priests are doctrinally orthodox in that they don’t teach heresy or errors, but only the truth.  My counterargument is that, even if it true that they teach only the truth, is it really sufficient to teach the truth, but avoid condemning errors being taught by your own superiors?  No!  The flock need to be warned.  These superiors have been given plenty of opportunity to publicly retract their errors, but they have not done so.  Bishop Fellay, for example, still thinks that there is nothing wrong with his abominable April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration.

    My friends, we must follow the mind of the Church in teaching the truth AND condemning errors contrary to that truth.  These “doctrinally orthodox” neo-SSPX priests need to publicly condemn the errors of their superiors.  Otherwise, they are really no better than the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter priests who do the same in teaching the truth, but remain publicly silent against the errors of their own superiors and consequently place their flock in spiritual danger.  And the yellow lighters need to become red lighters.  They can’t scream and shout against the errors of the neo-SSPX superiors, but then unite in the greatest act of public worship with priests who remain publicly silent against the same errors of these same superiors.  Rather, they should get in the trenches, forgo the sacraments if they have to, and feed instead on the Holy Rosary, Brown Scapular, Spiritual Communions, traditional devotions, etc.  May of us have done so for years and, by the grace of God, are still going strong.  Deo gratias!


    What I am curious about is what do the above priests' superiors have to say about this?

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    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2016, 12:59:13 AM »
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    I wonder how he squares this today.

    Must have read Abp. Pozzo's interview and knows the deal is coming anyway...LOL.


    I'm not saying this is Fr. James McLucas. Nobody has stepped forward to positively identify the priest.  But if it is, the man has come a long way.



    Yeah, I liked him, but could never figure out how he got away with celebrating and promoting the TLM, when his peers were persecuted for doing the same?

    Then, the next thing I heard, he was defrocked ?  Some Consiliar persecution!

    If, this is the same priest, he would be from the far right of newChurch... but he still needs a conditional ordination.
    :wink:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi