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Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 05:02:35 PM
Background:
Fr. Gruner's Fatima Center announces that Bishop Fellay will attend their next conference to speak about the Holy Rosary.

Upon receipt of this announcement, James Philips submits an email to the Fatima Center asking if Catholic scholar, Hugh Adkins may also attend ?

As he did in Boston , KY last December, during the SSPX-SO Retreat and Family Conference, I expect Father Gruner's email reply to be a "no show".


To whom it may concern including Fr. Gruner:

Thank you for this notice concerning Bishop Fellay.  I join with others in congratulating you on what appears to be a very important Conference.

Would you be willing to invite distinguished author, speaker and Catholic Action activist and leader Hugh Akins (http://www.catholicactionresourcecenter.com/ and http://www.ѕуηαgσgυєrising.com/) to speak at the Conference?  Mr. Akins latest book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising is an immense work of scholarship (some 800 pages with 1770 footnotes) of 3 years in the making which is THE book to have for its sweeping examination of the problem of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan as it affects the Catholic Church and our entire world.  It is dedicated in part to Fr. Gruner ("To Father Nicholas Gruner whose worldwide Fatima mission is preparing the way for the Universal Reign of Jesus through Mary like no other apostolate on Earth.").  The book's sub-heading says it all: A Catholic Worldview of Anti-Christian Judaism and Counterrevolutionary Resistance.  I trust that you would agree with me in believing that the Conference really can not afford to be lacking in such a powerful and important topic as this.

Short of an invitation to speak would you be willing to make Mr. Akins' 100% solid Catholic books available for purchase at the conference including the aforementioned ѕуηαgσgυє Rising?

Thank you for your much anticipated reply.

In Chris our King and Mary our Queen,
James B. Phillips



"Fatima Center Press Release: May 29, 2013"  
The Fatima Network
 

Fatima Center Press Release
“Fatima: The Path To Peace!”
Gathering Momentum
Bishop Bernard Fellay to address conference


      The Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, has confirmed that he will attend “Fatima: The Path To Peace!”  

Bishop Fellay joins a growing number of prominent speakers that includes Dr. Ron Paul, Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire, Pro-Life warrior Joe Scheidler, investigative journalist Peter Lance, Esq. and several other prominent figures in Church, State and media – at least 24 speakers in all. (See: www.fatimathepathtopeace.org for conference brochure and list of speakers to date.) “Fatima: The Path To Peace!” is developing into a summit meeting of historic dimensions.

Set for Niagara Falls, Canada, from September 8 through September 13 2013, the conference will examine the nature of the crises that confront our world and the utter failure of every political and economic solution that has been tried – or can be tried.

      Our Lady of Fatima said, “Only I can help you.” And Our Lady told us what we have to do to obtain that help: the Pope and the bishops, together, must consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart. When this is done, Our Lady promises the conversion of Russia, the end of wars and a period of world peace.

      Can we afford to ignore such an attractive offer, based on such simple terms? The aim of “Fatima: The Path To Peace!” is to draw attention both to the urgency of our situation and to the only way to avert further disasters.

      While some of our speakers will highlight the crises in the world, Bishop Fellay will detail the crises in the Church. As head of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay is on the front line of the battle for Catholic Tradition and consistently witnesses to today’s Vatican leaders the need to bring about a return to Tradition.

      Bishop Fellay’s talk is titled “The Rosary Crusade and the Need for Catholic Nations”. He will touch upon the 12 Million Rosary Crusade he launched in the Society of St. Pius X. Bishop Fellay will further discuss the need for nations to recognize Christ as King and Mary as Queen.

      Bishop Fellay also knows that our hope is in obedience to Our Lady of Fatima. We are very pleased to welcome Bishop Fellay to our distinguished assembly of conference speakers and attendees.

      The conference is also open to the public. Major media are expected to be there. And the conference talks will be broadcast on Fatima TV via our website: www.fatima.org. For more information, contact The Fatima Center (see below).

 
 

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Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 30, 2013, 05:25:50 PM

Incredulous...Wasn´t there something about changing intentions of the Millions Rosaries Crusades afterwards?  :reporter: See, getting better at computers. Needed nowadays. La Virgen nos proteja. :incense:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Ecclesia Militans on May 30, 2013, 05:29:23 PM
Fr. Gruner should also be inviting Bishop Richard Williamson.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Matto on May 30, 2013, 05:30:58 PM
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.



Hey man... can't we just all get along?

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                                   Rodney King
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini

Incredulous...Wasn´t there something about changing intentions of the Millions Rosaries Crusades afterwards?  :reporter: See, getting better at computers. Needed nowadays. La Virgen nos proteja. :incense:



I lost track?
Weren't there 3 Rosary campaigns since 2008 ?

There was also some "mystic visionary" stuff related to it, rumored on the Ignis Ardens forum.  It was all interesting and entertaining, but I forgot who said what?

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.    

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.

They are officially the Neo-Trad status quo, but we should not be disturbed by this.

Rather Viva Cristo Rey and may Our Lord continue to assist the holy traditional Catholic Resistance, wherever it may be.[/color]
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 30, 2013, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 30, 2013, 06:21:58 PM
Why not invite Bishop Williamson?   He is not afraid in telling the
Truth.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: JPaul on May 30, 2013, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Why not invite Bishop Williamson?   He is not afraid in telling the
Truth.


You have answered your own question.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Why not invite Bishop Williamson?   He is not afraid in telling the
Truth.



Yes, and Hugh Adkins would tear the mask off ʝʊdɛօ-masonry too.

I seriously doubt, Bp. Fellay, Fr. Gruner or John Vennari would allow them to attend.

This Neo-Trad "power-team" has formulated a politically correct version of Catholicism.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 30, 2013, 06:51:30 PM
Oh brother...

Yup. Fr. Gruner is leaning towards the dark side.

 :sad:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 07:06:35 PM
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Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 30, 2013, 07:13:51 PM
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Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 30, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
.


This is the same +Fellay who has been quoted below as answering the
request to renew the Consecration to Our Lady by saying that he would
not?



 1984 Immaculate Heart Consecration (http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/26360619-1984-immaculate-heart-consecration)
Posted by The Editor on May 14, 2013 at 3:00 PM

(http://www.therecusant.com/schmidberger-lefebvre.jpg)

At the Crisis in the Church Conference (1st & 2nd June), amongst other things planned to take place, Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr. Kramer and any other priests present (some others have expressed an interest in coming, we await confirmation) will be renewing on behalf of the SSPX the consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, made in 1984 by Archbishop Lefebvre. In recent years this cosecration has not been renewed; worryingly forgetful, you might think! Well, there may be another reason. We know of at least one priest who specifically begged Bp. Fellay to renew this consecration. Bishop Fellay replied that he would not. But do not take our word for that, dear reader: read the text, and judge for yourself whether in this climate of 'Roman diplomacy' and delicate speech such a consecration would be deemed politic or helpful towards the 'discussions with Rome.' What's that I hear someone say? There aren't any longer 'discussions with Rome'...? Very well, let's wait and see if Bishop Fellay decides to renew the consecration, or whether that honour is to be left to Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko and Fr. Kramer to perform on his behalf.

.

Final thought for your consideration: compare the text with the text of the 2013 consecration to St. Joseph. We believe it tells its own story.

.

The text of the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart can be read here (http://www.therecusant.com/1984consecration-ihm).





At a recent Rosary Rally, I asked Fr. Gruner if he would be willing to
pick up where +Fellay left off when he stopped promoting the intention
to have the Rosary Crusades dedicated to the Collegial Consecration
to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  He declined to answer the question,
in front of hundreds of witnesses.

I found that a bit odd at the time. . . . . . . . .  :confused1:



P.S. this Fr. Kramer to whom Ed. refers -- could it be Fr. Paul Kramer?  If so,
he is billed as one of the speakers on Fr. Gruner's list for this conference
and also at the London SSPX Crisis?  

According to Ecclesia Militans (http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2013/05/28/resistance-gains-notice/), it is the same Fr. Paul Kramer:

Quote

Bishop Fellay is going to England to give a conference in an area well known to be unaccepting of his views on the new direction of the SSPX. The Recusant has launched a counter attack and has arranged a competing conference for the same day to outline the views of the Resistance. Fathers Pfeiffer, Hewko and Father Paul Kramer will be in attendance.





This is the first Fr. Gruner Fatima Peace Conference where the purchase
of tickets is being offered in advance.  There is an offer for "one free
day" ticket on the website.  In the past all his conferences were free.
There was a free-will donation box for those who can afford it, and his
books were for sale, however a lot of Crusaders and pamphlets were
available for free.





Source (http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9)

(http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/images/speakers_pictures/Bishop_Fellay.jpg)
 BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY
 

We are pleased to welcome Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, to the distinguished assembly of speakers at “Fatima: Path to Peace!”. Bishop Fellay began his priestly studies at the SSPX seminary in Econe, Switzerland, in 1977. He was ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1982 and acted as Bursar for the SSPX for the next 10 years. In 1988, he was consecrated bishop and in 1994 was elected Superior General. He was re-elected to another 12-year term in 2006.






(http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/images/speakers_pictures/pic-kramer.jpg)
   Father Paul Kramer

Father Paul Kramer (S.T.B., M.Div., S.T.L. Cand.) has been a Catholic priest for more than 35 years. He earned his Bachelor’s degrees in Philosophy and Sacred Theology at the prestigious Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (the Angelicuм) in Rome, and his Master’s degree in Divinity at Holy Apostles College in Cromwell, Connecticut. He has been an assiduous student of Catholic prophecy for more than 40 years, with studies encompassing both the Old and New Testaments, as well as the many Church-approved apparitions of Our Lady (especially those of Our Lady of Fatima), and volumes of prophecies made by reputable Catholic mystics and saints throughout the past 2,000 years. He is the author of three books: The Theological Vindication of Roman Catholic Traditionalism, The ѕυιcιdє of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy, and his latest book, The Mystery of Iniquity, now in its 3rd edition. He is also the editor and a principal contributor for The Devil’s Final Battle.




Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 30, 2013, 07:58:03 PM
.



Wait a minute........ are those 2 red swastikas on his shoulders?     :shocked:



Quote from: parentsfortruth
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.........and red Maltese crosses on his robe?





Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 30, 2013, 09:14:41 PM
"Wait a minute........ are those 2 red swastikas on his shoulders?"    :shocked:

That’s a good one Neil Obstat! Sure they are. It all fits: it is not our cross (hindu symbol?)  worse when side by side with our Cross (nαzι airplanes).  
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
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Being from the South, this is particularly funny to me   :laugh2:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on May 30, 2013, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 30, 2013, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.


www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/.../ron-paul-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: SoldierOfChrist on May 30, 2013, 11:40:45 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.


www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/.../ron-paul-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ


Disturbing.  I wish that it didn't sound so legit, but I'm definitely thinking that it is.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: pbax on May 31, 2013, 04:40:48 AM
Lets hope that Father Themann gets an invite  as they might need someone to interpret Bishop Fellays English into um um um English!  
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: ancien regime on May 31, 2013, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: Incredulous

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.    

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

John Vennari is only the editor.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: pbax
Lets hope that Father Themann gets an invite  as they might need someone to interpret Bishop Fellays English into um um um English!  



 :laugh2:

And he can teach us all about how prudence is way more important than any principles we might hold.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on May 31, 2013, 10:46:12 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.


www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/.../ron-paul-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ


I'm not buying it.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.


www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/.../ron-paul-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ


I'm not buying it.


Neither am I. All you have to do is look at his actions, his voting record, what he says. It doesn't add up. He was the only congressman (among others who -- surprise, surprise -- have been defended as non-freemasons, but didn't have any guts to do anything remotely like he did) to introduce legislation trying to get us out of the UN, abolish/audit the federal reserve, write a sanctity of life amendment, and other things that no fabian/marxist in congress would dare to do, and he didn't "play the game" like all the other congressman with their compromising "if you vote for my bill, I'll vote for yours." He didn't care how many people supported his legislation, but he introduced things because it was the right thing to do.

Make no mistake. The Republican Party are fabian socialists, and the Democrat Party are marxists. There's absolutely no question of that.

The comment about the JBS... I just have to laugh. Everyone knows that the JBS was taken over pretty early by the LDS people. This was planned to make them irrelevant, and largely it's worked, but many people within the JBS are decent, and some are even traditional Catholics. Sure they don't point at the Freemasons, the LDS people made that impossible, and they won't really go anywhere without pointing to the real enemies. That was the whole plan when they were infiltrated. Their publication and the things they do reveal, especially regarding the CFR and the Bilderbergs and the Trilateral Commission, are still a valuable service to those that don't know who the enemies are, and I argue that most people within the JBS are decent folks.

The JBS was not founded by Freemasons. Robert Welch was NOT a freemason, but someone that became the head of the organization LATER was from LDS, and they're entire outfit is satanic (mormon.)

Does this sound like a Freemason to you?

Speech by Robert Welch (https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/AZU0c8DAIU4?ytsession=imTEBUy1KZYUxACBDhAqe2oMWopH94GzSA4k9nyVzT3-9QaqXyrbcwTx-VO_Dyjqpj1xf6xEIeM_9IijG27609w5T6GCMQWJJGRSvNgknPRUr9VQil4ckSkZYYYK70ZbYKPfZExVgmbF1P6_KOyuMQ)

Honestly, even his wiki says that he was said to have converted to Catholicism before he died.

This guy writing this article you cited Roman, says he's "90% sure." Well fine. That's not 100%. Believe what you want, but his history is very bad in this article, saying that Freemasons started the JBS. That is simply a lie. The guy has no credibility with me just by including that obviously bad piece of info as one of his "proofs."
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: ancien regime
Quote from: Incredulous

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.    

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

John Vennari is only the editor.


 :shocked:

Thanks, I didn't know that...
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Zeitun on May 31, 2013, 11:52:16 AM
So Bishop Fellay, as a "rosary expert", will be discussing how to manipulate people through the use of rosary crusades?
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 31, 2013, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


He is not only non Catholic. He is also a freemason.


No, that's not true.


www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/.../ron-paul-and-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ


I'm not buying it.


Neither am I. All you have to do is look at his actions, his voting record, what he says. It doesn't add up. He was the only congressman (among others who -- surprise, surprise -- have been defended as non-freemasons, but didn't have any guts to do anything remotely like he did) to introduce legislation trying to get us out of the UN, abolish/audit the federal reserve, write a sanctity of life amendment, and other things that no fabian/marxist in congress would dare to do, and he didn't "play the game" like all the other congressman with their compromising "if you vote for my bill, I'll vote for yours." He didn't care how many people supported his legislation, but he introduced things because it was the right thing to do.

Make no mistake. The Republican Party are fabian socialists, and the Democrat Party are marxists. There's absolutely no question of that.

The comment about the JBS... I just have to laugh. Everyone knows that the JBS was taken over pretty early by the LDS people. This was planned to make them irrelevant, and largely it's worked, but many people within the JBS are decent, and some are even traditional Catholics. Sure they don't point at the Freemasons, the LDS people made that impossible, and they won't really go anywhere without pointing to the real enemies. That was the whole plan when they were infiltrated. Their publication and the things they do reveal, especially regarding the CFR and the Bilderbergs and the Trilateral Commission, are still a valuable service to those that don't know who the enemies are, and I argue that most people within the JBS are decent folks.

The JBS was not founded by Freemasons. Robert Welch was NOT a freemason, but someone that became the head of the organization LATER was from LDS, and they're entire outfit is satanic (mormon.)

Does this sound like a Freemason to you?

Speech by Robert Welch (https://youtube.googleapis.com/v/AZU0c8DAIU4?ytsession=imTEBUy1KZYUxACBDhAqe2oMWopH94GzSA4k9nyVzT3-9QaqXyrbcwTx-VO_Dyjqpj1xf6xEIeM_9IijG27609w5T6GCMQWJJGRSvNgknPRUr9VQil4ckSkZYYYK70ZbYKPfZExVgmbF1P6_KOyuMQ)

Honestly, even his wiki says that he was said to have converted to Catholicism before he died.

This guy writing this article you cited Roman, says he's "90% sure." Well fine. That's not 100%. Believe what you want, but his history is very bad in this article, saying that Freemasons started the JBS. That is simply a lie. The guy has no credibility with me just by including that obviously bad piece of info as one of his "proofs."


Truth to Power.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 31, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: pbax
Lets hope that Father Themann gets an invite  as they might need someone to interpret Bishop Fellays English into um um um English!  



 :laugh2:

And he can teach us all about how prudence is way more important than any principles we might hold.



Surely Father Rostand, we be the English translator "back-up" for both of them.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
Quote from: Zeitun
So Bishop Fellay, as a "rosary expert", will be discussing how to manipulate people through the use of rosary crusades?



How would that look on the front of the Brochure?  


"Come see the HOW-TO of the year - turn your Rosary Crusade
into a fund raiser - or anything you want it to be!! Expert on
MAKING IT HAPPEN, Bishop Fellay, reveals his secret method!!"


And how do they expect to mix or blend these two approaches, +F's
having given up on the Rosary intention for the Collegial Consecration,
and Fr. G's consistent promotion of it as a Rosary intention?

Is this the hermeneutic of compatibility or what?

+F has replaced it with the Society's "Consecration to St. Joseph," as of this
year on March 19th.  Is this conference going to be the "marriage" of these
two consecrations,  1)  to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and  2)  to her
husband, St. Joseph?


Lots of questions?


The text of the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart can be read here (http://www.therecusant.com/1984consecration-ihm).

SSPX consecration to St. Joseph (.pdf):
http://www.sspx.org/rcr_pdfs/2013_rcrs/march-april_2013_rcr.pdf


Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ancien regime
Quote from: Incredulous

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.    

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

John Vennari is only the editor.


 :shocked:

Thanks, I didn't know that...



I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
--That is, if you "owned both?"

So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"



Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: pbax
Lets hope that Father Themann gets an invite  as they might need someone to interpret Bishop Fellays English into um um um English!  



 :laugh2:

And he can teach us all about how prudence is way more important than any principles we might hold.



Surely Father Rostand, we be the English translator "back-up" for both of them.


That would be a sight to see.... for a couple of us to try to decipher exactly what Bishop Fellay is saying, and then what Fr. Themann is translating Bishop Fellay to have actually meant. I really think be fun to translate their modernist gobbledegook language into actual English. I think I'll use something called "Father Bolduc English."

 :laugh2:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 01:14:23 PM
Oh boy, you really nailed it there, Neil.

Quote from:  Neil Obstat
Is this the hermeneutic of compatibility or what?


NO KIDDING! This is exactly what I was thinking. To me, this looks like a regular ecuмenical gathering. Father Kramer in the mix? He doesn't even use the 1962 missal.

 :scratchchin:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 02:05:34 PM
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Fatima the Path to Peace Conference website (http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/) says 99 days to go --
-- we might be at war before then by the looks of things in Syria...........






<span class="countdown_title"></span>
    <h1>Count Down To Conference</h1>
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.......sorry, it doesn't look the same...........

    >Count Down To Conference<
                      >Starting In<

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                            >Days<







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Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
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How about this Ron Paul segment?  Meet & Greet?  





(http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/components/com_fpss/images/four_1.jpg)





    
PLEASE CHOOSE ONE OPTION BELOW:

         Comfort Inn or Ramada, Double Occupancy
$749.00
         Comfort Inn or Ramada, Single Occupancy
$1049.00
         Marriott Gateway, Cityview Room Double Occupancy
$1049.00
         Marriott Gateway, Cityview Room Single Occupancy
$1549.00
         Marriott Gateway, Fallsview Room Double Occupancy
$1249.00
         Marriott Gateway, Fallsview Single Occupancy
$1749.00

         Conference Only - $10.00 per person per day

         Conference with lunch- $40.00 per person per day

         
Gala Fundraising Event with keynote speaker, Ron Paul Wednesday,
September 11, 2013 -$300 per person






They're saving the $300 per plate fundraiser for 9-11.




Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 02:40:29 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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Gala Fundraising Event with keynote speaker, Ron Paul Wednesday,
September 11, 2013 -$300 per person






They're saving the $300 per plate fundraiser for 9-11.






There are two theories I have.

Let me give you the better one first.

Scenario 1:
Ron Paul recently just made a home school curriculum for free for children K-5, and for 6-12, the tuition is $250 + $50 per course. Hmm. Maybe he's using this money to help contribute to that.

Scenario 2:
None of this money may be going to Ron Paul, and it's all going to the Fatima Center. This doesn't seem very likely, but it's possible.

My question is: Why would he speak at a conference like this? Maybe his intention isn't really to speak for the Fatima conference, but bring in people that are not really Catholic and are willing to pay to hear him. And why is it so exclusive as to be $300 per person? That seems very exorbitant. I mean, if you were me, and had children that you might entertain having them homeschooled in his program for the elder children, that's a full year of tuition for one elder child, plus one course paid for. Now comes the "would you rather" question. "Would I rather go to hear Ron Paul do one speech, or have my child go through his curriculum for an entire year for $150?"

I don't know. This is bringing more questions to my mind than it is answers.

This whole thing is very confusing.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 03:11:36 PM
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Gala fundraisers are not generally aimed at modest families with children
to raise and home-school.  They're black tie affairs for professionals or
upper-middle class at least, who have a budget for such extravagances.

I can't imagine they're expecting anyone to do the $300-per-plate thing
if they're shopping with discount coupons and moonlighting just to make
ends meet.  

This business of a '$10 Entrance Fee' for each day's conference and
a 'Gala Fundraiser' on 9-11 is a whole new MO for Fr. Gruner.  

There has been a change.  

The addition of +F is icing on the cake, really.



Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Machabees on May 31, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ancien regime
Quote from: Incredulous

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.  

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

John Vennari is only the editor.


 :shocked:

Thanks, I didn't know that...



I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
--That is, if you "owned both?"

So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"

Hello Neil,

Yes Fr. Gruner does own and publish the Catholic Family News (CFN).

Here are some Startpage.com searches:

-----------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

Fr. Nicholas Gruner started an apostolate in the 1970s to promote the message of Fátima. This is done through a magazine called Fátima Crusader. He and his magazine take a critical stance toward the compliance of the Popes with the message of Fátima, specifically the request for the Consecration of Russia. This stance continued after the Consecration of 1984 and the 2001 publication of the Third Secret of Fátima, both of which he considers incomplete. Despite recent assurances by the remaining visionary Sr. Lucia Santos, given through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, his criticism  continues. It should be noted that Fátima is not a matter of the faith.

In addition to Fátima Crusader, Fr. Gruner owns and publishes the Catholic Family News, which he acquired several years ago. Like the Remnant and several other small Catholic papers, Catholic Family News takes a critical view of the post-conciliar changes in the Church, especially in matters of the liturgy.

(...).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Family_News

Recent typical front pages.
Type    Monthly newspaper
Format    tabloid
Owner    Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.
Publisher    Rev. Nicholas Gruner

Editor    John Vennari
Founded    1993
Political alignment    Traditional Catholic
Language    English
ISSN    1054-5682
Official website    cfnews.org
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
.


Gala fundraisers are not generally aimed at modest families with children
to raise and home-school.  They're black tie affairs for professionals or
upper-middle class at least, who have a budget for such extravagances.

I can't imagine they're expecting anyone to do the $300-per-plate thing
if they're shopping with discount coupons and moonlighting just to make
ends meet.  

This business of a '$10 Entrance Fee' for each day's conference and
a 'Gala Fundraiser' on 9-11 is a whole new MO for Fr. Gruner.  

There has been a change.  

The addition of +F is icing on the cake, really.





I am certain Father Bolduc would not have endorsed such things.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Machabees on May 31, 2013, 04:33:46 PM
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

•   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
•   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
•   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
•   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
•   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
•   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

I have a question.

With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

“Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

Shame on you…

That is not fair nor right!

You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

•   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
•   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
•   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
•   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
•   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
•   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

I have a question.

With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

“Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

Shame on you…

That is not fair nor right!

You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!


Mhmm. That's something I overlooked. Holy moley that's a lot of hypocrisy right there.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 31, 2013, 05:24:08 PM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

•   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
•   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
•   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
•   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
•   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
•   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

I have a question.

With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

“Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

Shame on you…

That is not fair nor right!

You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!



Yeah, just think about it?
In 2009, Msgr. Fellay brow-beat his fratre Bp. Williamson for discussing politics and said +W was equivalent to radioactive "uranium" (source der Spiegel).

Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Politics".

Honestly, if this is not hypocrisy, then Msgr. Fellay must be suffering from a mental decline.



Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 31, 2013, 06:53:53 PM
Correction:

Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Politics".  

Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Morals ".  
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ancien regime
Quote from: Incredulous

In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.  

It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

John Vennari is only the editor.


 :shocked:

Thanks, I didn't know that...



I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
--That is, if you "owned both?"

So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"

Hello Neil,

Yes Fr. Gruner does own and publish the Catholic Family News (CFN).

Here are some Startpage.com searches:

-----------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

Fr. Nicholas Gruner started an apostolate in the 1970s to promote the message of Fátima. This is done through a magazine called Fátima Crusader. He and his magazine take a critical stance toward the compliance of the Popes with the message of Fátima, specifically the request for the Consecration of Russia. This stance continued after the Consecration of 1984 and the 2001 publication of the Third Secret of Fátima, both of which he considers incomplete. Despite recent assurances by the remaining visionary Sr. Lucia Santos, given through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, his criticism  continues. It should be noted that Fátima is not a matter of the faith.

In addition to Fátima Crusader, Fr. Gruner owns and publishes the Catholic Family News, which he acquired several years ago. Like the Remnant and several other small Catholic papers, Catholic Family News takes a critical view of the post-conciliar changes in the Church, especially in matters of the liturgy.

(...).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Family_News

Recent typical front pages.
Type    Monthly newspaper
Format    tabloid
Owner    Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.
Publisher    Rev. Nicholas Gruner

Editor    John Vennari
Founded    1993
Political alignment    Traditional Catholic
Language    English
ISSN    1054-5682
Official website    cfnews.org



Well, that's news to me, Machabees.  Thank you.  I guess I have to have
a bit of reconsideration of all this.  I'm getting the inkling that there is now
someone behind the scenes urging Fr. Gruner to adjust his ways, and do
some things he never did before, and not do some other things he's always
done.  There is a new 'General Manager' of the office, for one, a certain
Michael Longval.  Maybe it's just a business concern..........

In the Wikipedia quote, it says Fr. Gruner is the "publisher" not "owner."
The Owner is Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.

So - who's on the board of directors for CFM Inc.?

Also, in the CFN over the past few months, there have been some curious
characters creeping in.  The one that struck me was Fr. Cyprian, Prior, Our
Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in Silver City NM, whose recent nefarious
actions resulted in him 'excluding' his best priest there, Dom Raphael
Arizaga, OSB (http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/24230103-another-good-priest-joins-the-resistance), whose declaration is here (http://www.therecusant.com/fr-raphaelarizaga), but there is Fr. Cyprian, first
in line on page 4 and page 15 of the March issue of CFN.  To be fair, these
two events happened about the same time, that is, Fr. Arizaga's expulsion
and CFN's announcement of the "Saints...Scoundrels Conference," but the
conspicuous alignment is telling, nonetheless.  Actually, I see the first
mention of Dom Cyprian's presentation in the January issue, which would
have been a few weeks before he expelled Fr. Arizaga.  

Now, in the following item, I should be able to excuse it on logical basis, but
it nonetheless gives me the creeps.  On the cover of the January CFN, I
see the little face of my HERO, Blessed Jacinta of Fatima, right next to the
deplorable MUG of John Courtney Murray.  A more OPPOSITE contrast
can hardly be imagined.  Okay, if they had put Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles
Manson there it would have been worse.  But still, did they have to put the
MUG of Murray right beside my little girl?  

It's the hermeneutic of shock-value, apparently.  

Is Fr. Gruner trying to wake up the sleeping masses by throwing images
that don't belong together, up on the billboard for all to see?  



Bottom line is, CFN just had a 3-day weekend conference in Cleveland,
and now, a mere 5 months later, the same "owner," Fr. Gruner, is putting
on a WEEK-LONG (Sunday thru Friday) conference in Niagara Falls,
Ontario, Canada?  -With a "Gala Fundraiser" on Wednesday, 9-11?

There are four other big events all in the span of these next 5 months:

1)  This weekend's Crisis in the Church Conference in London,
2)  The Silver Anniversary of +W's consecration in Virginia,
3)  Priestly Ordinations in Winona,
4)  St. Benedict Center's Conference in October (11-12, NH).

That makes six events in six months.  

Meanwhile, we might have WWIII.








Quote from: Machabees

I have a question.

With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

“Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

Shame on you…

That is not fair nor right!

You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!



Quote from: Incredulous

Honestly, if this is not hypocrisy, then Msgr. Fellay must be suffering from a mental decline.


 
This tells me that +Fellay has delusions of grandeur. He thinks
he can be critical of his brother bishop on certain points, and then turn
around and not be critical of others for the same reasons, or, worse still,
engage in the very same things himself, and nobody will notice.  

You can hardly blame him though, with all the lemming-lapdogs taking in his
ridiculous duplicity and laughing at anyone else who calls it into question.
This is par for the course.  So to him, his delusions of grandeur are not
really delusions.  That makes him all the more dangerous.  



Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on May 31, 2013, 11:34:59 PM
Another good analysis Neil  :detective:
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 01, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
Another good analysis Neil  :detective:


Thanks, Incred- but I was building on your framework.


Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on June 01, 2013, 11:15:59 AM
At this point if you're not tired of Bp fellay something's wrong with you..
Ron Paul's OK as far as his traditionally american non-interventionist foreign policy--how "traditional" it is can be debated but it at least concurs with the foreign policy recommended in G. Washington's Farewell Address--but his extreme libertarianism is at odds with Catholic Social doctrine....Which, by the way, happens to be right...
       The Thomas E. Woods Jrs of the world see nothing wrong with a privately owned central bank--"the Fed" or the Bank of England for examples, owned by you-know-who and their satellites--that creates money out of thin air and loans our govt it's own currency at face value plus interest...Because, hey, it's privately owned...And according to the Ayn Randians everything pvt is good...Everything public is bad...Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution that gives congress the right to coin and print money and put it into circulation debt free? well, that was omitted fm their copies of the Constitution...
The Libertarians think tariffs are " just another tax"...The fact that we used them for 200 yrs to protect and prosper American industry is treated as a sick aberration that has finally been dealt with by the WTO and other globalist organizations...
The immorality of usury and compounded front-loaded interest that forces people to pay back 2 or 3 times the size of their mortgage is also never considered by these people...Woods sd recently " If the Greenbackers hate interest so much why don't they love gold.." As if a bank would loan you 100 lbs of gold for a house and not make you pay back 200...With the 100 lbs of "interest/fees" being paid first....As if the whole proposition isn't absurd in the first place..
They just can't be against usury...They can't go all the way against the fraud of private central banking..They can't really expose all these false-flag terror events..And all for the same reason: it puts them outside the "mainstream"..Which is why they eventually chafe at Traditional Catholicism
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 01, 2013, 02:19:40 PM
Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
At this point if you're not tired of Bp fellay something's wrong with you..



Can I have that as a bumper sticker, please?  


........or a T-shirt?             :dancing:




Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 01, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
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Oh, I know:  how about a banner post?  Check it out  >>>



Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill


At this point, if you're

not tired of Bp. Fellay

something's wrong with you..





Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 01, 2013, 02:34:08 PM
.


It could come in different versions..  Check it out  >>>



Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill


At this point - if you're not tired
of Bp. Fellay

something's wrong with you..




Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 04, 2013, 06:05:30 AM

Looks perfect to me (in Spanish):

http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2013/06/en-que-quedamos-monsenor-fellay.html
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 04, 2013, 11:43:36 AM

Yes, incredulous: "rumored on the Ignis Ardens forum". This is the link, but it is not longer available there ? (I had made a print copy at the time because it had called my attention):

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=6517
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: PAT317 on June 04, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini

Looks perfect to me (in Spanish):

http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2013/06/en-que-quedamos-monsenor-fellay.html


Now that is interesting.  Bishop Fellay and Roberto Fiore speaking at the same event.

Quote
Speakers: (http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9)

Father Nicholas Gruner

Father Nicholas Gruner B.Com., S.T.B., S.T.L., S.T.D. (Cand.), is a graduate of McGill University, where he earned his Bachelor’s degree in Commerce. He then studied in Rome at the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (the Angelicuм) where he received his Bachelor’s and his Licentiate degrees of Sacred Theology. There he has also completed with highest honors all of the courses for his Doctorate. Father Gruner has dedicated his 37 years in the priesthood to promoting the Message of Fatima. He directs the largest Fatima apostolate in the world and publishes a quarterly magazine, The Fatima Crusader. His apostolate has published many critically important books on the Fatima Message, and distributes millions of sacramentals and pieces of Fatima literature worldwide. The Fatima Center operates more than 40 websites in over 5 languages (all accessible through www.fatima.org), advancing the public’s understanding and awareness of Our Lady of Fatima’s requests, and clearly drawing much attention to Church authorities to publish the whole 3rd Secret of Fatima and respond to the entirety of Our Lady’s Message. The Fatima Center broadcasts around the clock on a regular TV channel in Rome, as well as on the worldwide web (in English and Italian), at www.fatimatv.com. Fr. Gruner is the principal author of the book World Enslavement of Peace...It’s up to the Pope.
 

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Dr. Ron Paul

Dr. Paul has spent more than two decades in the U.S. Congress, often as its only voice of reason. As a two-time presidential candidate for the Republican nomination, Dr. Paul has brought his message to hundreds of millions of people through nationally televised debates. Dr. Paul was the only candidate to call for an end to militarism, a withdrawal of U.S. troops from foreign soil, and the strict adherence to the Just War Principles. He has called for an end to the Federal Reserve Bank, which imperils the economy by printing money out of thin air. He has called for a return to the gold standard as a way to fulfill the Biblical mandate for an honest system of “weights and measures.” And he has fought for the Pro-Life cause. As an obstetrician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies, Dr. Paul knows the science of life. He knows abortion is murder. And he has the courage to say so. Dr. Paul stands by the truth, in season and out. He knows that the course governments are following can only lead to greater catastrophes than those we are now suffering. We are pleased to have this courageous defender of life and truth at “Fatima: The path to peace!”
Dr. Ron Paul Full Bio Click Here
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Peter Lance ESQ.

A 5-time Emmy Award winner for news and docuмentary, Mr. Lance has written and co-produced programs for ABC’s Nightline, 20/20, Crime Story and Miami Vice, among others. His best-selling books expose the failure and corruption of the U.S. Intelligence services, which he has proven could have prevented the 911 attacks. His latest book, Deal with the Devil shows the tragedy that results when moral principle is abandoned for “practical” aims. Mr. Lance shows us, with irrefutable proof, that secular governance which ignores morality leads us into disaster after disaster. He has promised those who attend the conference a power-point presentation he says we will never forget. Mr. Lance’s presentation will underscore the theme of the conference: business as usual will no longer do. We need a radical course correction – NOW!
 

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The Hon. Romeo Dallaire

Lieutenant General (Ret.) Romeo Dallaire (OC CMM GOQ MSC) is a Canadian Senator who served for 35 years in the Canadian Armed Forces. A decorated General, Dallaire who rescued tens of thousands in 1994 from the Rwanda genocide, is a hero and an outspoken leader in the 21st Century. His best-selling book, Shake Hands With the Devil, is a stirring account of his experience as the Force Commander of the United Nations Assistance Mission Rwanda, exposing the failures of the international community to stop the worst genocide in the 20th century. The book, adapted into a full-length feature film Shake Hands With the Devil won an Emmy Award. Dallaire’s moving story exemplifies to an extreme degree the results of being given responsibility without authority. He was limited by immovable parameters, overseen by the U.N. an organization that didn’t fully support the mission, and put into situations that forced him to question ethics every step of the way. Dallaire’s presentation discusses leadership and conflict resolution, illustrated with stories of his own experiences. He will inspire listeners to address pressing ethical and moral issues. He insists that governments put humanity above political and economic interests.
 

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BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY
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We are pleased to welcome Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, to the distinguished assembly of speakers at “Fatima: Path to Peace!”. Bishop Fellay began his priestly studies at the SSPX seminary in Econe, Switzerland, in 1977. He was ordained by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1982 and acted as Bursar for the SSPX for the next 10 years. In 1988, he was consecrated bishop and in 1994 was elected Superior General. He was re-elected to another 12-year term in 2006.

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Father Paul Kramer

Father Paul Kramer (S.T.B., M.Div., S.T.L. Cand.) has been a Catholic priest for more than 35 years. He earned his Bachelor’s degrees in Philosophy and Sacred Theology at the prestigious Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (the Angelicuм) in Rome, and his Master’s degree in Divinity at Holy Apostles College in Cromwell, Connecticut. He has been an assiduous student of Catholic prophecy for more than 40 years, with studies encompassing both the Old and New Testaments, as well as the many Church-approved apparitions of Our Lady (especially those of Our Lady of Fatima), and volumes of prophecies made by reputable Catholic mystics and saints throughout the past 2,000 years. He is the author of three books: The Theological Vindication of Roman Catholic Traditionalism, The ѕυιcιdє of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy, and his latest book, The Mystery of Iniquity, now in its 3rd edition. He is also the editor and a principal contributor for The Devil’s Final Battle.
 
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G. Edward Griffin

G. Edward Griffin is a writer and docuмentary film producer with many successful titles to his credit. Listed in Who’s Who in America, he is well known because of his talent for researching difficult topics and presenting them in clear terms that all can understand. He has dealt with such diverse subjects as the Federal Reserve System, terrorism, internal subversion, the history of taxation, U.S. foreign policy, the science and politics of cancer therapy, the Supreme Court, and the United Nations. His better-known works include The Creature from Jekyll Island, World without Cancer, and The Fearful Master. Mr. Griffin is Founder and President of American Media, The Cancer Cure Foundation, and Freedom Force International.
 
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Peter Chojnowski, Ph.D.

He is a Professor of Philosophy and holds a degree in Political Science and a Ph.D. in Philosophy. He specializes in the philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas and Catholic Social Thought. His articles have appeared in various Catholic journals, including The Angelus, Faith and Reason and The Review of Metaphysics.
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John Vennari

Writer, researcher, catechist, Editor of the monthly journal, Catholic Family News. His articles have also appeared in publications such as Christian Order, The Fatima Crusader and The Angelus. He is author of the books Close-ups of the Charismatic Movement and The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita: A Blueprint for the Subversion of the Catholic Church. He has been interviewed by various news agencies around the world, including the BBC.
 
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Christopher Ferrara, J.D.

Christopher A. Ferrara earned his Baccalaureate and Juris Doctor degrees from Fordham University. He is President and Chief Counsel of the American Catholic Lawyers Association. Mr. Ferrara has written extensively on Catholic issues. His articles have appeared in The Latin Mass and The Remnant, and other publications. He authored several books, including The Secret Still Hidden. He has translated into English Antonio Socci’s book, Il Quarto Segreto di Fatima.
 
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Dr. Ervin John Doak
Former Professor of Economics at St. Mary’s University in Halifax, Canada where he taught for 37 years. He is an expert in the interaction between government and the private sector economy. He will explain satan’s role in current human history.
 

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Michael Matt

He has been editor of The Remnant since 1994. A graduate from Christendom College, he has written hundreds of articles on the state of the Church as well as on the anti-Chrisitan political trends in the world. Michael’s addresses prove himself to be a powerful opponent of anti- Catholic movements.
 
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Cornelia Ferreira
Author of various books exposing the New Age Movement and Feminism, she holds a Master of Science degree, and is an internationally-known writer and lecturer. Her articles have appeared in Catholic Family News, Christian Order, The Homiletic and Pastoral Review and other publications.
 
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John Mcmanus

Mr. McManus served his country in the US Marine Corps. He has made numerous radio and television appearances, including C-SPAN and Larry King. Mr. McManus is also the author of numerous books, such as The Insiders and Changing Command, the Betrayal of the American Military.
 

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Catherine Pearson

Catherine Pearson, an American Catholic laywoman of deep faith and traditional piety, who writes with conviction and well reasoned arguments that the Pope should once again call for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Catherine is the author of the thought-provoking article Now is the Time proving that the Consecration of Russia will be a great good to Russia and the world and the Church. Her definitive report Fatima’s Unfinished Business is a sequel which proves the Consecration of Russia is not done and that is because the Popes are living under an undisclosed major threat.
 
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Paul A. Byrne, M.D.

Dr. Byrne is Board Certified in Pediatric, Neonatal and Prenatal Medicine. He is an international lecturer on medical ethics and a staunch opponent of abortion and euthanasia. A past president of the Catholic Medical Association and a member of the Fellowship of Catholic Scholars, Dr. Byrne has made presentations on Life issues to 9 state legislatures. He is chairman of the Ethics Committee, City of Faith Medical and Research Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
 
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THE HON. Mario Borghezio

Member of the European Union Parliament, Mr. Borghezio wants Europe to return to its Catholic roots. He is a strong supporter of the Fatima Message. He is a leading supporter in the petition to the E.U Parliament regarding the Consecration of Russia.
 
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Brian Mccall Ph. D

He is an attorney, writer, scholar and University Professor of Law. He explains the economic crisis as a result of a failure to adhere to Catholic principles. He is author of the new book: “The Church and the Usurers, Unprofitable Lending for the Modern Economy”.
 
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Dr. Bruce M. Walters, M.D.

Dr. Walters is a psychiatrist and the Medical Director for the Ottawa County Community Mental Health System in Michigan. He also serves as psychiatrist and medical consultant for Livingston County Catholic Charities and outpatient psychiatrist for a third-party, low-cost Catholic clinic, St. Luke Hometown Healthcare in Brighton, Michigan. He is a close student of the Message of Fatima as it relates to the economic and geopolitical problems we are currently facing. Dr. Walters is the author of the book Russian Sunrise.
 
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Barbara Skurnowicz
Barbara Skurnowicz lives in Michigan with her husband John. She is a Catholic mother of 3 vaccine injured daughters. She has been researching the history and complications from the vaccination program for over 20 years after her daughters had serious adverse reactions from their childhood vaccines. She is currently founder and President of HealthCare Professionals for Vaccine Choice in Michigan an organization seeking legislation to prevent forced vaccinations as a condition of employment in Michigan for health care workers.
 
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John F. Salza, J.D.

John Salza is an attorney and noted Catholic apologist, writer and speaker. He is the author of many best-selling books including The Biblical Basis for… series on apologetics, Masonry Unmasked, Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, and The Mystery of Predestination. He is the creator of the popular apologetics site www.ScriptureCatholic.com. He is a frequent guest on Catholic Radio and has his own daily radio feature on Relevant Radio called “Relevant Answers.” He is a guest columnist for The Remnant Newspaper, the author of articles on Catholic apologetics for Catholic Family News and has appeared numerous times on EWTN.
 
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Joe Scheidler
Perhaps the world’s foremost Pro-Life warrior, Mr. Scheidler is National Director of the Pro- Life Action League and has fought for the unborn on the front lines for decades. Known as the Green Beret of the Pro-Life movement, he has been prosecuted, persecuted and threatened and remains undaunted. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in his favor in his decades-long battle with the National Organization of Women. He does not back down. Mr. Scheidler is an example to us of what courage can accomplish, and how grace will sustain us in all our tribulations if we remain loyal to the truth.
 
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Robert Fiore
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Roberto was born in Rome, Italy on April 15 1959. He is Catholic, married and father of 11 children, he entered in politics in 1973. Since 1997 his political party Forza Nuova is oriented to focus on the well being of Italy. The party’s program is outlined in “8 Steady Points for National Reconstruction”. These points anticipate the main political, economical and social themes of today. He believes in the importance of all sovereign countries to cooperate to achieve the above goals. This policy brought him to travel several times to Russia where he’s willing to establish a cultural and political connection to achieve the project of a Christian and Roman Europe that includes Russia as being the possible future world peace power. He’s also been a European parliamentarian from May 2008 to July 2009.

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William F Jasper
He is Senior editor of The New American - He has been an accredited journalist covering the U.N. for two decades - Mr. Jasper is one of America’s top investigative reporters, known for his intrepid undercover work and fearless exposes. His exhaustive investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing uncovered the deceit in the lone-bomber account of the Justice Department. He has written two books on the dangers of one-world government: Global Tyranny … Step by Step and The United Nations Exposed.

 
 I was wondering what +F's fan club at places like Catholic So-called-truth Scotland (http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=46) would think of it; looks like they've already picked up on it:

http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/?p=46
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 04, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
These paragraphs of the article are clarifying (bolds and colors respected):

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¿Recordará Monseñor Fellay este comunicado?

COMUNICADO DE LA CASA GENERAL

11-21-2010

El Superior General, Mons. Bernard Fellay, se enteró por medio de la prensa de la decisión tomada por Mons. Richard Williamson de revocar, diez días antes de su proceso, el mandato del abogado encargado de su defensa, para reemplazarlo por otro abiertamente ligado al llamado movimiento neo-nαzι de Alemania y a algunos de sus grupos.

Mons. Fellay intimó a Mons. Williamson la orden formal de reconsiderar su decisión y no dejarse instrumentalizar por tesis políticas totalmente ajenas a su misión como obispo católico al servicio de la Fraternidad San Pío X.

La desobediencia a esta orden provocaría la exclusión de Mons. Williamson de la Fraternidad San Pío X.

Menzingen, el día 20 de noviembre de 2010

Padre Christian Thouvenot, Secretario General

Por lo que preguntamos: ¿por qué Monseñor Fellay forma parte de unas conferencias POLÍTICAS, ajenas a su “misión” como obispo católico al servicio de la FSSPX?

Si, conferencias políticas, porque aunque Monseñor Fellay probablemente hable de la eficacia de las cruzadas de Rosarios, tema en el cual es experto, no deja de sorprendernos sus compañeros conferencistas, entre ellos:

………………………

No olvidemos la famosa declaración de Monseñor Fellay a Famille Chretienne el 31 de enero de 2009:

“…Nosotros evidentemente condenamos todos los asesinatos de inocentes. ¡Es un crimen que clama al cielo! Mucho más cuando se relaciona con un pueblo. Nosotros rechazamos toda acusación de antisemitismo. Completa y absolutamente. Rechazamos cualquier forma de aprobación de lo que sucedió bajo Hitler. Esto es algo abominable. La Cristiandad ubica a la Caridad en el nivel supremo. San Pablo, hablando de los judíos, proclama: “desearía ser yo mismo anatema, separado de Cristo, por mis hermanos” (Romanos, 9,3). Los judíos son nuestros hermanos mayores en el sentido de que tenemos algo en común, esto es, la Antigua Alianza. Es verdad que el reconocimiento de la venida del Mesías nos separa.


Es muy interesante notar que la Iglesia no esperó al Concilio para prescribir el curso de acción respecto a los Judíos. Desde los años 30, incluso durante la guerra, varios textos de Roma proveyeron una muy justa posición: ¡las abominaciones del régimen de Hitler debe ser condenado! “Espiritualmente todos somos Semitas”, dijo Pio XI. Esta es una verdad que viene de la misma Sagrada Escritura, “somos hijos de Abraham”, afirma también San Pablo.”

Entonces, Monseñor, ¿qué hace impartiendo conferencias con Roberto Fiore, un "fascista" y otros conocidos anti-sionistas y "conspiracionistas"?????

¿Qué, no dice el Padre Célier, en su libro La Paille et le Sycomore que las conspiraciones no existen?

¿Qué, no han puesto a su historiador-teólogo-censor de la Tradición Ennemond a ridiculizar a los que creen en las teorías de conspiración? Por ejemplo, este hombre dijo:


“Personas mesuradas como Monseñor Fellay o de Galarreta no se pierden en este género de explicaciones que ensombrecen los espíritus en un complotismo que los perjudica generalmente".

Monseñor Fellay, dijo DER SPIEGEL, compara a Monseñor Williamson con el uranio: “es peligroso cuando lo tienes”, pero no puedes “simplemente dejarlo en un lado de la calle”. También DER SPIEGEL lo llamó "una granada de mano sin estallar", o que está “trastornado”…

Por lo tanto, Monseñor Williamson es peligroso como el uranio por sus ideas políticas y conspiracionistas, pero Monseñor Fellay puede impartir conferencias con "fascistas", conspiracionistas,  anti-sionistas, etc. sin que nadie diga nada.

¿Entonces, por qué se razgó las vestiduras por las declaraciones de Monseñor Williamson a la televisión sueca? ¡Simplemente porque le estorbaba para lograr su deseado acuerdo con Roma apóstata!
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 04, 2013, 01:30:37 PM
A clarification for the sake of accuracy: the long post by Pat317 is not the article I  mentioned above.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Ethelred on June 04, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
These paragraphs of the article are clarifying (bolds and colors respected):

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¿Recordará Monseñor Fellay este comunicado?

Dear Elsa, your Spanish looks very nice, and for sure I love its sound, but unfortunately it's all Greek to me.

:-)

In my native language my point is even more funny: Das kommt mir sehr spanisch vor!

(It's a proverb which can't be translated directly, because it means the same as the English proverb "It's Greek to me", just that in German the word "Greek" is actually replaced with the word "Spanish". And that is too funny in this case here.)
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Elsa Zardini on June 04, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
Ethelred :roll-laugh1:

Well, let's go back to universal Latin (joke).
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Ekim on June 04, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
John Vennari was a pseudo Benedictine Monk under Br. Joseph Natale OSB in the 1980's, in Berlin NJ.  Br. Joseph was a professed Benedictine monk who left his order to battle the Novus Ordo Changes.  His monastery was never recognized by the Benedictines or the Novus Ordo Church.  The Brother Michael (Ricky) Diamond also became a monk under Br. Joseph.  Soon after the addition of Br. Michael Diamond, Br. Joseph died.  Somewhere in the mix Br. John (as John Vennari was known) left.  I believe it was shortly after the death of their founder.  This left Br. Michael Diamond in charge. He packed up and moved to NY and became sedevecantist.  This was not the public position of Br. Joseph.

John Vennari and Most Holy Family Monastery would often host Fr. Grunner for conferences and Rosary Rally's where he would preach the true message of Fatima.  Johns major job at the monastery was to run their print shop.  He printed "Crying in the Wilderness" for many years as well as many booklets.  When deciding to leave this monastery, it was said that he consulted the bishops of the SSPX.  They told him that since the order was never recognized by the Church and that Br. John never officially made final vows, that it was okay for him to leave and pursue a secular life.

Since Mr. Vennari needed a job, was familiar with print media, and Fr. Grunner was looking to start a Catholic Newspaper, it only made sense for John Vennari to move to NY and help Fr. Grunner start Catholic Family News.  

Fr. Grunner's organization was the jumping point for Catholic Family News.  
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Incredulous on June 04, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Ekim
John Vennari was a pseudo Benedictine Monk under Br. Joseph Natale OSB in the 1980's, in Berlin NJ.  Br. Joseph was a professed Benedictine monk who left his order to battle the Novus Ordo Changes.  His monastery was never recognized by the Benedictines or the Novus Ordo Church.  The Brother Michael (Ricky) Diamond also became a monk under Br. Joseph.  Soon after the addition of Br. Michael Diamond, Br. Joseph died.  Somewhere in the mix Br. John (as John Vennari was known) left.  I believe it was shortly after the death of their founder.  This left Br. Michael Diamond in charge. He packed up and moved to NY and became sedevecantist.  This was not the public position of Br. Joseph.

John Vennari and Most Holy Family Monastery would often host Fr. Grunner for conferences and Rosary Rally's where he would preach the true message of Fatima.  Johns major job at the monastery was to run their print shop.  He printed "Crying in the Wilderness" for many years as well as many booklets.  When deciding to leave this monastery, it was said that he consulted the bishops of the SSPX.  They told him that since the order was never recognized by the Church and that Br. John never officially made final vows, that it was okay for him to leave and pursue a secular life.

Since Mr. Vennari needed a job, was familiar with print media, and Fr. Grunner was looking to start a Catholic Newspaper, it only made sense for John Vennari to move to NY and help Fr. Grunner start Catholic Family News.  

Fr. Grunner's organization was the jumping point for Catholic Family News.  


Very interesting background Ekim.

Does anyone know John Vennari's background prior to his monastery stint ?

Michael Dimond Inc. is an interesting story that deserves it's own discussion topic.
Suffice to say, he received the real estate assets of the founder.
Its in the public records.



Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: songbird on June 04, 2013, 06:08:48 PM
Seems like the perfect time to let CFN know how much we dislike their "Path" taken for this conference.  The speakers have nothing to say to save our souls at this point.  We refuse to give a penny and suggest to them to save their time and efforts and call it off.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: Infiguris on June 04, 2013, 10:51:29 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Holy_Family_Monastery
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: rlee on June 05, 2013, 08:25:51 PM
Check out one of the speakers, Robert Fiore:

http://lombardia.indymedia.org/node/29267

And check this out:

http://www.romancatholicimperialist.org/2013/05/sspx-bishop-bernard-fellay-to-appear-on.html

Unbelievable.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 01:09:07 PM
I am sorry that Matthew and MD are allowing calumny to be spread on Cath Info.

Roberto Fiore, whom I know is not a 'terrorist' and quite an allegation to make. Roberto had very successful legal actions  against English newspapers.

He is a Catholic statesman and has the title of Honourable as he was a MEP.


I will send you both facts regarding Roberto.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
rlee,

You posted enemy sites and one is possibly 'State'. They state Roberto Fiore is a 'terrorist'.

Do you believe that to be the case? Cite evidence if that is the case.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 01:17:05 PM
From Roberto Fiore.


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STATEMENT OF ROBERTO FIORE
Since the Bologna Massacre is the root of most of the lies against Roberto Fiore, it has been thought useful for him to provide to researchers the following Question & Answer format reply so that people can see just how malicious has been this story.
 
1. Were you ever accused by a court of being a member or even a leader of NAR?RF: Never.
 
2. Were you ever found guilty by any court of being a member or leader of NAR?
 
RF: Never.
 
3. Was Terza Posizione (Roberto’s organization in the late 1970's) ever a part of NAR?
 
RF: No.
 
4. Did TP ever work with NAR?
 
RF: No.
 
5. What was NAR?

RF: NAR was a name used by different people at different times who were engaged in terrorism or armed struggle. However, at the beginning of 1980, the name, NAR, began to be used publicly by Valerio Fioravanti, who was later convicted by the courts of being one of those responsible for the Bologna massacre, along with Francesca Mambro. From that point onwards, the NAR name effectively "belonged" to Fioravanti and his gang. Furthermore, it needs to be remembered that it was made explicit both at the trial of Fioravanti for the massacre, and during my trial in abstentia, that Fioravanti was one of my declared enemies and that he had sought to have me killed.
 
6. Did it have leaders? If so, who were they?
 
RF: Principally Fioravanti, but there were others.
 
7. Were you ever accused by an Italian, or foreign, court of being involved in the Bologna Bombing?
 
RF: No.
 
8. Were you ever found guilty of being involved in the Bologna Bombing?
 
RF: No.
 
9. If you were not accused or found guilty, why is your name regularly mentioned in this connection?

RF: To understand this, you must first understand a little of the background history. The Bologna massacre took place on August 2nd, 1980. An arrest warrant was issued against me on September 23rd, 1980. I was one of many nationalists and anti-communists for whom warrants were issued. Hundreds of nationalists were arrested in this sweep; many of them spent years in prison, and most were found in the end to have been innocent of the various charges laid against them.
 
Obviously, I went into hiding immediately when the sweep began, and since I was not captured the trial took place in my absence. At the beginning of 1981, the Italian Military Secret Service (SISMI) began to put out so-called information that I had been involved in the attempted bombing of a train in January 1981 - the Milan/Taranto Express. There were found to be many similarities between the bombing in Bologna and the attempted bombing of the Express.
 
It later came out in the courts - all the docuмentation is in the Italian legal archives - that the "evidence" put forward against me had been fabricated. The determining trial relating to me and my alleged participation in the Bologna affair, concluded on July 11th, 1988 at the Court of Assizes in Bologna. Licio Gelli, the Grand Master of the P2 Pazienza Lodge, and the two leaders of SISMI, Musumeci and Belmonte, were found guilty of calumny and the fabrication of evidence against both myself and a number of others. I was actually awarded a small sum of money by way of damages in order to demonstrate that I was, in fact, an "offended party" in the whole matter relating to Bologna.
 
It is worth bearing in mind that all three men were sentenced to nine years imprisonment for their crimes.

10. Were Valerio Fioravanti or Francesca Mambro ever members of Terza Posizione?
 
RF: No.
 
11. Given that you were exonerated in respect of the Bologna massacre, did you take any legal steps against newspapers that stated you were involved? If so, when did you undertake these actions?
 
RF: Well, I began them shortly after I was declared an "offended party". So, I suppose we are talking about the end of 1988 or early 1989. The first one would have taken place in Italy, though I did sue a number of papers in England too with the passing of time.
 
12. Between then and now, how many papers have you sued in respect of the Bologna massacre?
 
RF: I don’t have a precise figure to hand but it is certainly around 70.
 
13. Seventy (70)!
 
RF: Yes.
 
14. How can it have been so high?
 
RF. Partly because of the stupidity of some writers, partly because articles were syndicated; and partly because the phraseology changed with time, and thus necessitated clarification. So, I would be "personally responsible" then I would be "involved", "implicated in", "associated with", "linked to" and so on. Each term was shown to be equivalent and thus any kind of accusation - however carefully framed - relating to the Bologna massacre is untrue and therefore legally actionable.
 
15. Of the seventy cases that you have pursued, how many of them have you won?
 
RF: All of them without exception.
 
16. Did they all go to court?
 
RF: No, many went to court and I won; but many also were settled out of court by the newspapers.
 
17. Are there any court actions still pending relating to Bologna, and if so how many?
 
RF: Yes, there are still some cases going on, but I cannot be precise about the number. I believe between half a dozen and a dozen.
 
18. What kind of papers have you sued?
 
RF: Mainly national and regional newspapers in Italy, though a couple in England. Examples are Corriere della Sera, La Repubblica, La nαzιone, Il Messagero and so on.
 
19. Have the financial settlements reached with the newspapers been negligible?
 
RF: It depends on what you consider to be "negligible". I think that the average settlement has been between €20,000 - €40,000. In US dollars, something between $25,000 - $50,000.
A Final Note: Legal papers concerned with the various trials connected to the Bologna massacre are accessible through the Italian legal service should anyone wish to look into the matter at all. A website run by families of the victims of the massacre, which contains summaries and some full texts of some of the court docuмents, can be found here: http://www.stragi.it/index.php

Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: rlee on June 09, 2013, 01:17:49 PM
Hello John,

Thank you for taking this up.

Several members of my Chapel have been digging around to try to find the truth out about him and whatever they've found on the internet all seems bad.

So, maybe you can enlighten all.

The purpose was only to share information and stimulate conversation.

Where I live the cure for erroneous speech is free speech...and lots of it.

Thanks again.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: rlee
Hello John,

Thank you for taking this up.

Several members of my Chapel have been digging around to try to find the truth out about him and whatever they've found on the internet all seems bad.

So, maybe you can enlighten all.

The purpose was only to share information and stimulate conversation.

Where I live the cure for erroneous speech is free speech...and lots of it.

Thanks again.


You are obviously trolling and stirring up trouble. So I conclude you don't believe Roberto Fiore to be a 'terrorist'? As I said it is quite an allegation for those articles you cited to make.

Roberto Fiore was described by Fr Nely as a pillar of his SSPX chapel. Roberto Fiore is leader of an excellent movement called Forza Nuova. He is a father, a family man, and a Catholic politician.

The reason for my annoyance is a few years ago, 'Catholic Truth' in Scotland allowed calumny to be spread about him until Fr Morgan deemed it necessary to speak with the editor.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: rlee on June 09, 2013, 01:46:03 PM
Hi John,

He has the benefit of doubt with me. There is a lot of negative information out there. I wonder, and it's too bad, that there isn't much positive to be found. Several people I know were concerned about why he is at Fr Gruner's Conference.

You have been stimulated to provide some good information.

This is a perfect example of the benefit of these blogs.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 01:51:37 PM
Quote from: rlee
Hi John,

He has the benefit of doubt with me. There is a lot of negative information out there. I wonder, and it's too bad, that there isn't much positive to be found. Several people I know were concerned about why he is at Fr Gruner's Conference.

You have been stimulated to provide some good information.

This is a perfect example of the benefit of these blogs.



Whilst Father Giulio Maria Tam is mentioned, he is not speaking at the event. Fr Tam was very close to Archbishop Lefebvre.

The blog calls Fr. Gruner a "evil sonofabitch!" It also alleges it is a "money making conference"

And a key comment is from
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J. Christopher PryorMay 31, 2013 at 9:48 AM
Here is a link to Fiore blaming the financial crisis on the Jєωs. Go to 6:07 into the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-aUyTGf_18 Also, Ron Paul will be at the conference.
Title: Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
Post by: hugeman on June 09, 2013, 11:07:39 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Matto
I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.



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