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« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2013, 08:25:51 PM »
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    « Reply #62 on: June 09, 2013, 01:09:07 PM »
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  • I am sorry that Matthew and MD are allowing calumny to be spread on Cath Info.

    Roberto Fiore, whom I know is not a 'terrorist' and quite an allegation to make. Roberto had very successful legal actions  against English newspapers.

    He is a Catholic statesman and has the title of Honourable as he was a MEP.


    I will send you both facts regarding Roberto.

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    « Reply #63 on: June 09, 2013, 01:14:17 PM »
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  • rlee,

    You posted enemy sites and one is possibly 'State'. They state Roberto Fiore is a 'terrorist'.

    Do you believe that to be the case? Cite evidence if that is the case.

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    « Reply #64 on: June 09, 2013, 01:17:05 PM »
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  • From Roberto Fiore.


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    STATEMENT OF ROBERTO FIORE
    Since the Bologna Massacre is the root of most of the lies against Roberto Fiore, it has been thought useful for him to provide to researchers the following Question & Answer format reply so that people can see just how malicious has been this story.
     
    1. Were you ever accused by a court of being a member or even a leader of NAR?RF: Never.
     
    2. Were you ever found guilty by any court of being a member or leader of NAR?
     
    RF: Never.
     
    3. Was Terza Posizione (Roberto’s organization in the late 1970's) ever a part of NAR?
     
    RF: No.
     
    4. Did TP ever work with NAR?
     
    RF: No.
     
    5. What was NAR?

    RF: NAR was a name used by different people at different times who were engaged in terrorism or armed struggle. However, at the beginning of 1980, the name, NAR, began to be used publicly by Valerio Fioravanti, who was later convicted by the courts of being one of those responsible for the Bologna massacre, along with Francesca Mambro. From that point onwards, the NAR name effectively "belonged" to Fioravanti and his gang. Furthermore, it needs to be remembered that it was made explicit both at the trial of Fioravanti for the massacre, and during my trial in abstentia, that Fioravanti was one of my declared enemies and that he had sought to have me killed.
     
    6. Did it have leaders? If so, who were they?
     
    RF: Principally Fioravanti, but there were others.
     
    7. Were you ever accused by an Italian, or foreign, court of being involved in the Bologna Bombing?
     
    RF: No.
     
    8. Were you ever found guilty of being involved in the Bologna Bombing?
     
    RF: No.
     
    9. If you were not accused or found guilty, why is your name regularly mentioned in this connection?

    RF: To understand this, you must first understand a little of the background history. The Bologna massacre took place on August 2nd, 1980. An arrest warrant was issued against me on September 23rd, 1980. I was one of many nationalists and anti-communists for whom warrants were issued. Hundreds of nationalists were arrested in this sweep; many of them spent years in prison, and most were found in the end to have been innocent of the various charges laid against them.
     
    Obviously, I went into hiding immediately when the sweep began, and since I was not captured the trial took place in my absence. At the beginning of 1981, the Italian Military Secret Service (SISMI) began to put out so-called information that I had been involved in the attempted bombing of a train in January 1981 - the Milan/Taranto Express. There were found to be many similarities between the bombing in Bologna and the attempted bombing of the Express.
     
    It later came out in the courts - all the docuмentation is in the Italian legal archives - that the "evidence" put forward against me had been fabricated. The determining trial relating to me and my alleged participation in the Bologna affair, concluded on July 11th, 1988 at the Court of Assizes in Bologna. Licio Gelli, the Grand Master of the P2 Pazienza Lodge, and the two leaders of SISMI, Musumeci and Belmonte, were found guilty of calumny and the fabrication of evidence against both myself and a number of others. I was actually awarded a small sum of money by way of damages in order to demonstrate that I was, in fact, an "offended party" in the whole matter relating to Bologna.
     
    It is worth bearing in mind that all three men were sentenced to nine years imprisonment for their crimes.

    10. Were Valerio Fioravanti or Francesca Mambro ever members of Terza Posizione?
     
    RF: No.
     
    11. Given that you were exonerated in respect of the Bologna massacre, did you take any legal steps against newspapers that stated you were involved? If so, when did you undertake these actions?
     
    RF: Well, I began them shortly after I was declared an "offended party". So, I suppose we are talking about the end of 1988 or early 1989. The first one would have taken place in Italy, though I did sue a number of papers in England too with the passing of time.
     
    12. Between then and now, how many papers have you sued in respect of the Bologna massacre?
     
    RF: I don’t have a precise figure to hand but it is certainly around 70.
     
    13. Seventy (70)!
     
    RF: Yes.
     
    14. How can it have been so high?
     
    RF. Partly because of the stupidity of some writers, partly because articles were syndicated; and partly because the phraseology changed with time, and thus necessitated clarification. So, I would be "personally responsible" then I would be "involved", "implicated in", "associated with", "linked to" and so on. Each term was shown to be equivalent and thus any kind of accusation - however carefully framed - relating to the Bologna massacre is untrue and therefore legally actionable.
     
    15. Of the seventy cases that you have pursued, how many of them have you won?
     
    RF: All of them without exception.
     
    16. Did they all go to court?
     
    RF: No, many went to court and I won; but many also were settled out of court by the newspapers.
     
    17. Are there any court actions still pending relating to Bologna, and if so how many?
     
    RF: Yes, there are still some cases going on, but I cannot be precise about the number. I believe between half a dozen and a dozen.
     
    18. What kind of papers have you sued?
     
    RF: Mainly national and regional newspapers in Italy, though a couple in England. Examples are Corriere della Sera, La Repubblica, La nαzιone, Il Messagero and so on.
     
    19. Have the financial settlements reached with the newspapers been negligible?
     
    RF: It depends on what you consider to be "negligible". I think that the average settlement has been between €20,000 - €40,000. In US dollars, something between $25,000 - $50,000.
    A Final Note: Legal papers concerned with the various trials connected to the Bologna massacre are accessible through the Italian legal service should anyone wish to look into the matter at all. A website run by families of the victims of the massacre, which contains summaries and some full texts of some of the court docuмents, can be found here: http://www.stragi.it/index.php



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    « Reply #65 on: June 09, 2013, 01:17:49 PM »
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  • Hello John,

    Thank you for taking this up.

    Several members of my Chapel have been digging around to try to find the truth out about him and whatever they've found on the internet all seems bad.

    So, maybe you can enlighten all.

    The purpose was only to share information and stimulate conversation.

    Where I live the cure for erroneous speech is free speech...and lots of it.

    Thanks again.

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    « Reply #66 on: June 09, 2013, 01:25:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: rlee
    Hello John,

    Thank you for taking this up.

    Several members of my Chapel have been digging around to try to find the truth out about him and whatever they've found on the internet all seems bad.

    So, maybe you can enlighten all.

    The purpose was only to share information and stimulate conversation.

    Where I live the cure for erroneous speech is free speech...and lots of it.

    Thanks again.


    You are obviously trolling and stirring up trouble. So I conclude you don't believe Roberto Fiore to be a 'terrorist'? As I said it is quite an allegation for those articles you cited to make.

    Roberto Fiore was described by Fr Nely as a pillar of his SSPX chapel. Roberto Fiore is leader of an excellent movement called Forza Nuova. He is a father, a family man, and a Catholic politician.

    The reason for my annoyance is a few years ago, 'Catholic Truth' in Scotland allowed calumny to be spread about him until Fr Morgan deemed it necessary to speak with the editor.

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    « Reply #67 on: June 09, 2013, 01:46:03 PM »
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  • Hi John,

    He has the benefit of doubt with me. There is a lot of negative information out there. I wonder, and it's too bad, that there isn't much positive to be found. Several people I know were concerned about why he is at Fr Gruner's Conference.

    You have been stimulated to provide some good information.

    This is a perfect example of the benefit of these blogs.


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    « Reply #68 on: June 09, 2013, 01:51:37 PM »
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    Hi John,

    He has the benefit of doubt with me. There is a lot of negative information out there. I wonder, and it's too bad, that there isn't much positive to be found. Several people I know were concerned about why he is at Fr Gruner's Conference.

    You have been stimulated to provide some good information.

    This is a perfect example of the benefit of these blogs.



    Whilst Father Giulio Maria Tam is mentioned, he is not speaking at the event. Fr Tam was very close to Archbishop Lefebvre.

    The blog calls Fr. Gruner a "evil sonofabitch!" It also alleges it is a "money making conference"

    And a key comment is from
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    J. Christopher PryorMay 31, 2013 at 9:48 AM
    Here is a link to Fiore blaming the financial crisis on the Jєωs. Go to 6:07 into the video. Also, Ron Paul will be at the conference.

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    « Reply #69 on: June 09, 2013, 11:07:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
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    I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.



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