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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2013, 01:06:06 PM »
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    In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.    

    It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


    I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

    John Vennari is only the editor.


     :shocked:

    Thanks, I didn't know that...



    I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

    Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
    goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
    at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
    --That is, if you "owned both?"

    So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"



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    « Reply #31 on: May 31, 2013, 01:10:35 PM »
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    Lets hope that Father Themann gets an invite  as they might need someone to interpret Bishop Fellays English into um um um English!  



     :laugh2:

    And he can teach us all about how prudence is way more important than any principles we might hold.



    Surely Father Rostand, we be the English translator "back-up" for both of them.


    That would be a sight to see.... for a couple of us to try to decipher exactly what Bishop Fellay is saying, and then what Fr. Themann is translating Bishop Fellay to have actually meant. I really think be fun to translate their modernist gobbledegook language into actual English. I think I'll use something called "Father Bolduc English."

     :laugh2:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #32 on: May 31, 2013, 01:14:23 PM »
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  • Oh boy, you really nailed it there, Neil.

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    Is this the hermeneutic of compatibility or what?


    NO KIDDING! This is exactly what I was thinking. To me, this looks like a regular ecuмenical gathering. Father Kramer in the mix? He doesn't even use the 1962 missal.

     :scratchchin:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #33 on: May 31, 2013, 02:05:34 PM »
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    Fatima the Path to Peace Conference website
    says 99 days to go --
    -- we might be at war before then by the looks of things in Syria...........






    <span class="countdown_title"></span>
        <h1>Count Down To Conference</h1>
        <h5>Starting In</h5>

       <p></p>

    <span class="countdown_daycount" style="color:#555555; background: url('/images/dash.png') 48.5% top no-repeat;">

       <span style="letter-spacing:7px;">99</span></span>

       <span class="countdown_dney">Days</span>



    </div></div>









    .......sorry, it doesn't look the same...........

        >Count Down To Conference<
                          >Starting In<

                              >99<
                                >Days<












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    « Reply #34 on: May 31, 2013, 02:24:34 PM »
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    How about this Ron Paul segment?  Meet & Greet?  











        
    PLEASE CHOOSE ONE OPTION BELOW:

             Comfort Inn or Ramada, Double Occupancy
    $749.00
             Comfort Inn or Ramada, Single Occupancy
    $1049.00
             Marriott Gateway, Cityview Room Double Occupancy
    $1049.00
             Marriott Gateway, Cityview Room Single Occupancy
    $1549.00
             Marriott Gateway, Fallsview Room Double Occupancy
    $1249.00
             Marriott Gateway, Fallsview Single Occupancy
    $1749.00

             Conference Only - $10.00 per person per day

             Conference with lunch- $40.00 per person per day

             
    Gala Fundraising Event with keynote speaker, Ron Paul Wednesday,
    September 11, 2013 -$300 per person






    They're saving the $300 per plate fundraiser for 9-11.




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    « Reply #35 on: May 31, 2013, 02:40:29 PM »
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    Gala Fundraising Event with keynote speaker, Ron Paul Wednesday,
    September 11, 2013 -$300 per person






    They're saving the $300 per plate fundraiser for 9-11.






    There are two theories I have.

    Let me give you the better one first.

    Scenario 1:
    Ron Paul recently just made a home school curriculum for free for children K-5, and for 6-12, the tuition is $250 + $50 per course. Hmm. Maybe he's using this money to help contribute to that.

    Scenario 2:
    None of this money may be going to Ron Paul, and it's all going to the Fatima Center. This doesn't seem very likely, but it's possible.

    My question is: Why would he speak at a conference like this? Maybe his intention isn't really to speak for the Fatima conference, but bring in people that are not really Catholic and are willing to pay to hear him. And why is it so exclusive as to be $300 per person? That seems very exorbitant. I mean, if you were me, and had children that you might entertain having them homeschooled in his program for the elder children, that's a full year of tuition for one elder child, plus one course paid for. Now comes the "would you rather" question. "Would I rather go to hear Ron Paul do one speech, or have my child go through his curriculum for an entire year for $150?"

    I don't know. This is bringing more questions to my mind than it is answers.

    This whole thing is very confusing.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #36 on: May 31, 2013, 03:11:36 PM »
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    Gala fundraisers are not generally aimed at modest families with children
    to raise and home-school.  They're black tie affairs for professionals or
    upper-middle class at least, who have a budget for such extravagances.

    I can't imagine they're expecting anyone to do the $300-per-plate thing
    if they're shopping with discount coupons and moonlighting just to make
    ends meet.  

    This business of a '$10 Entrance Fee' for each day's conference and
    a 'Gala Fundraiser' on 9-11 is a whole new MO for Fr. Gruner.  

    There has been a change.  

    The addition of +F is icing on the cake, really.



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    « Reply #37 on: May 31, 2013, 03:30:50 PM »
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    In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.  

    It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


    I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

    John Vennari is only the editor.


     :shocked:

    Thanks, I didn't know that...



    I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

    Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
    goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
    at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
    --That is, if you "owned both?"

    So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"

    Hello Neil,

    Yes Fr. Gruner does own and publish the Catholic Family News (CFN).

    Here are some Startpage.com searches:

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

    Fr. Nicholas Gruner started an apostolate in the 1970s to promote the message of Fátima. This is done through a magazine called Fátima Crusader. He and his magazine take a critical stance toward the compliance of the Popes with the message of Fátima, specifically the request for the Consecration of Russia. This stance continued after the Consecration of 1984 and the 2001 publication of the Third Secret of Fátima, both of which he considers incomplete. Despite recent assurances by the remaining visionary Sr. Lucia Santos, given through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, his criticism  continues. It should be noted that Fátima is not a matter of the faith.

    In addition to Fátima Crusader, Fr. Gruner owns and publishes the Catholic Family News, which he acquired several years ago. Like the Remnant and several other small Catholic papers, Catholic Family News takes a critical view of the post-conciliar changes in the Church, especially in matters of the liturgy.

    (...).

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Family_News

    Recent typical front pages.
    Type    Monthly newspaper
    Format    tabloid
    Owner    Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.
    Publisher    Rev. Nicholas Gruner

    Editor    John Vennari
    Founded    1993
    Political alignment    Traditional Catholic
    Language    English
    ISSN    1054-5682
    Official website    cfnews.org


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    « Reply #38 on: May 31, 2013, 04:29:50 PM »
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    Gala fundraisers are not generally aimed at modest families with children
    to raise and home-school.  They're black tie affairs for professionals or
    upper-middle class at least, who have a budget for such extravagances.

    I can't imagine they're expecting anyone to do the $300-per-plate thing
    if they're shopping with discount coupons and moonlighting just to make
    ends meet.  

    This business of a '$10 Entrance Fee' for each day's conference and
    a 'Gala Fundraiser' on 9-11 is a whole new MO for Fr. Gruner.  

    There has been a change.  

    The addition of +F is icing on the cake, really.





    I am certain Father Bolduc would not have endorsed such things.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #39 on: May 31, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »
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    I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


    It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

    •   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
    •   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
    •   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
    •   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
    •   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
    •   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

    You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

    http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

    This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

    I have a question.

    With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

    “Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

    Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

    Shame on you…

    That is not fair nor right!

    You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!

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    « Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 05:13:26 PM »
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    I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


    It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

    •   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
    •   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
    •   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
    •   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
    •   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
    •   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

    You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

    http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

    This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

    I have a question.

    With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

    “Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

    Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

    Shame on you…

    That is not fair nor right!

    You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!


    Mhmm. That's something I overlooked. Holy moley that's a lot of hypocrisy right there.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #41 on: May 31, 2013, 05:24:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
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    I think it's strange that Ron Paul is going to be there. He is not Catholic.


    It seems that inviting the POLITICS of Ron Paul, and of the POLITICS of the other speakers, such as:

    •   Ron Paul, government corruption, illegal wars, one world order, bankers taking over of the U.S. Constitution, etc.
    •   Peter Lance ESQ., government corruption, conspiracy, etc.
    •   The Hon. Romeo Dallaire, corruption of government conspiracy, etc.
    •   G. Edward Griffin, Author, Film maker, exposing 911, Government conspiracy, Federal Reserve, chemtrails, etc.
    •   John Mcmanus, President of the John Birch Society, stand up against government corruption, and its cօռspιʀαcιҽs, etc.
    •   William F Jasper, government corruption, government conspiracy, uncovering the deceit of the Oklahoma City bombing, one world order conspiracy, etc.

    You can read more of their introduction and Bio on Fr. Gruner’s advertisement:

    http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=5&Itemid=9

    This is certainly a POLITICAL injection to Fr. Gruner’s Catholic conference.

    I have a question.

    With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

    “Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

    Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

    Shame on you…

    That is not fair nor right!

    You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!



    Yeah, just think about it?
    In 2009, Msgr. Fellay brow-beat his fratre Bp. Williamson for discussing politics and said +W was equivalent to radioactive "uranium" (source der Spiegel).

    Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Politics".

    Honestly, if this is not hypocrisy, then Msgr. Fellay must be suffering from a mental decline.




    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #42 on: May 31, 2013, 06:53:53 PM »
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    Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Politics".  

    Then he announced to the world that the SSPX would only deal in matters of "Faith and Morals ".  
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #43 on: May 31, 2013, 10:59:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
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    In conclusion, we knew there was an alignment between, Catholic Family News, Father Gruner and the neoSSPX.  

    It makes perfect marketing sense that they should join forces to promote and endorse each other.


    I assume that you are unaware that Fr. Gruner actually owns Catholic Family News.

    John Vennari is only the editor.


     :shocked:

    Thanks, I didn't know that...



    I wonder how that could be true when they don't trade their mailing lists?

    Fatima Crusader mail goes to the Fatima Center mail list and CFN
    goes to the CFN mail list.  If you were Fr. Gruner, wouldn't you send
    at least a promo for CFN to your Crusader list at some point?  
    --That is, if you "owned both?"

    So what do you base this on, that Fr. Gruner "actually owns CFN?"

    Hello Neil,

    Yes Fr. Gruner does own and publish the Catholic Family News (CFN).

    Here are some Startpage.com searches:

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

    Fr. Nicholas Gruner started an apostolate in the 1970s to promote the message of Fátima. This is done through a magazine called Fátima Crusader. He and his magazine take a critical stance toward the compliance of the Popes with the message of Fátima, specifically the request for the Consecration of Russia. This stance continued after the Consecration of 1984 and the 2001 publication of the Third Secret of Fátima, both of which he considers incomplete. Despite recent assurances by the remaining visionary Sr. Lucia Santos, given through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, his criticism  continues. It should be noted that Fátima is not a matter of the faith.

    In addition to Fátima Crusader, Fr. Gruner owns and publishes the Catholic Family News, which he acquired several years ago. Like the Remnant and several other small Catholic papers, Catholic Family News takes a critical view of the post-conciliar changes in the Church, especially in matters of the liturgy.

    (...).

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Family_News

    Recent typical front pages.
    Type    Monthly newspaper
    Format    tabloid
    Owner    Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.
    Publisher    Rev. Nicholas Gruner

    Editor    John Vennari
    Founded    1993
    Political alignment    Traditional Catholic
    Language    English
    ISSN    1054-5682
    Official website    cfnews.org



    Well, that's news to me, Machabees.  Thank you.  I guess I have to have
    a bit of reconsideration of all this.  I'm getting the inkling that there is now
    someone behind the scenes urging Fr. Gruner to adjust his ways, and do
    some things he never did before, and not do some other things he's always
    done.  There is a new 'General Manager' of the office, for one, a certain
    Michael Longval.  Maybe it's just a business concern..........

    In the Wikipedia quote, it says Fr. Gruner is the "publisher" not "owner."
    The Owner is Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.

    So - who's on the board of directors for CFM Inc.?

    Also, in the CFN over the past few months, there have been some curious
    characters creeping in.  The one that struck me was Fr. Cyprian, Prior, Our
    Lady of Guadalupe Monastery in Silver City NM, whose recent nefarious
    actions resulted in him 'excluding' his best priest there, Dom Raphael
    Arizaga, OSB
    , whose declaration is here, but there is Fr. Cyprian, first
    in line on page 4 and page 15 of the March issue of CFN.  To be fair, these
    two events happened about the same time, that is, Fr. Arizaga's expulsion
    and CFN's announcement of the "Saints...Scoundrels Conference," but the
    conspicuous alignment is telling, nonetheless.  Actually, I see the first
    mention of Dom Cyprian's presentation in the January issue, which would
    have been a few weeks before he expelled Fr. Arizaga.  

    Now, in the following item, I should be able to excuse it on logical basis, but
    it nonetheless gives me the creeps.  On the cover of the January CFN, I
    see the little face of my HERO, Blessed Jacinta of Fatima, right next to the
    deplorable MUG of John Courtney Murray.  A more OPPOSITE contrast
    can hardly be imagined.  Okay, if they had put Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles
    Manson there it would have been worse.  But still, did they have to put the
    MUG of Murray right beside my little girl?  

    It's the hermeneutic of shock-value, apparently.  

    Is Fr. Gruner trying to wake up the sleeping masses by throwing images
    that don't belong together, up on the billboard for all to see?  



    Bottom line is, CFN just had a 3-day weekend conference in Cleveland,
    and now, a mere 5 months later, the same "owner," Fr. Gruner, is putting
    on a WEEK-LONG (Sunday thru Friday) conference in Niagara Falls,
    Ontario, Canada?  -With a "Gala Fundraiser" on Wednesday, 9-11?

    There are four other big events all in the span of these next 5 months:

    1)  This weekend's Crisis in the Church Conference in London,
    2)  The Silver Anniversary of +W's consecration in Virginia,
    3)  Priestly Ordinations in Winona,
    4)  St. Benedict Center's Conference in October (11-12, NH).

    That makes six events in six months.  

    Meanwhile, we might have WWIII.








    Quote from: Machabees

    I have a question.

    With these POLITICAL speakers speaking on these government cօռspιʀαcιҽs, 911, the Federal Reserve, the engineered for collapse of the economy, Fiat money, etc, and Bishop Fellay accepted to go, speak, and share in the company of these POLITICAL speakers within this “Catholic conference”, didn’t Menzingen, Bishop Fellay, and his leader subordinates condemn Bishop Williamson, as a Catholic Bishop, for engaging into such POLITICAL talk to warn the Catholic Faithful about these very cօռspιʀαcιҽs that will engulf them with suffering and to prepare for this tyranny?

    “Good for the goose; not for the gander”?

    Convenient hypocrisy of Bishop Fellay and Menzingen!

    Shame on you…

    That is not fair nor right!

    You must apologize to Bishop Williamson for your unjust slander and persecution you have committed against him!



    Quote from: Incredulous

    Honestly, if this is not hypocrisy, then Msgr. Fellay must be suffering from a mental decline.


     
    This tells me that +Fellay has delusions of grandeur. He thinks
    he can be critical of his brother bishop on certain points, and then turn
    around and not be critical of others for the same reasons, or, worse still,
    engage in the very same things himself, and nobody will notice.  

    You can hardly blame him though, with all the lemming-lapdogs taking in his
    ridiculous duplicity and laughing at anyone else who calls it into question.
    This is par for the course.  So to him, his delusions of grandeur are not
    really delusions.  That makes him all the more dangerous.  



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    Rosary expert, Bp. Fellay to speak at Fatima conference
    « Reply #44 on: May 31, 2013, 11:34:59 PM »
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  • Another good analysis Neil  :detective:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi