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Offline Ethelred

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    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 10:28:33 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 10:34:50 AM »
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  • I have personal knowledge of this matter, and can try to answer some of the questions.  Anything I post will be factual as I know it to be from my own personal first-hand knowledge.

    Marie Auxiliadora, most everything you write here is correct.  The only thing not known for certain, is why (thus far at least) +W denied knowledge.  There have been made posts here which speculate as to why he would have done so, all of which make sense and could likely be true.  

       

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    « Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 10:43:46 AM »
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  • The Devil dressed in blue!   :whistleblower:

    This "apparition" has the stench of such canards as the "Fr. Gobbi Marian Movement of Priests" or "Bayside"... only worse.

    Stop this offense to the Blessed Virgin Mary!  

    Shame on the perfidious ones who initiated this, whether it is from Menzingen or hell itself.



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    « Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 10:49:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: marysrosary
    The only thing not known for certain, is why (thus far at least) +W denied knowledge.

    If the quotation from "PetrusXy" on the Ignis Ardens forum was authentic (I don't know) then the Bishop actually didn't deny knowledge but stated that he didn't want to comment. That's a difference, although with the same result.

    I don't want to blend into this topic because I know nothing and I am critical to unproved private-revelations in general. But since I've been one of those non-English-native-speakers (on the other thread) who interpreted Nemmersdorf's post about Bishop Williamson as if the Bishop would have denied any knowledge, I thought: let's clarify this.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 10:57:21 AM »
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    I can only say that from reading AQ in the past, I have found Dawn Marie to be very faithful to the SSPX. ... . I don't believe she has the liberty to come out in the open, or she would.



    No, it's effectively impossible that Dawn Marie is not at liberty to "come out in the open", since the claims she's made so far prove that.
    She is obliged to give an account of her statements to date, if anyone even dare consider taking them seriously.

    The stance of "faithful to the SSPX" also begs clarification at this point.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 11:16:14 AM »
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  • All these crazy distractions.  Try to trust the five Fathers we have come to trust.  It seems like all are on board a ship that is sinking, running every which way, into each other, and toppling over board.  It would be better that all calm down a bit, pray, and do their duty according to their state in life.  This kind of frenzy often comes from a particular source, and it brings no good.  So beware  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 11:49:25 AM »
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    The Devil dressed in blue!   :whistleblower:

    This "apparition" has the stench of such canards as the "Fr. Gobbi Marian Movement of Priests" or "Bayside"... only worse.

    Stop this offense to the Blessed Virgin Mary!  

    Shame on the perfidious ones who initiated this, whether it is from Menzingen or hell itself.




    Wrong, "Fr. Gobbi Marian Movement of Priests" or "Bayside" would not agree with Fatima or the need for the pope to convert, much less the Consecration of Russia.

    And if this "apparition" is true would not the devil be trying to discredit it?

    At Lourdes, what made so difficult for the Chrurch authorities to believe the message (besides the prudential aspect) was the fact that "The Devil dressed in blue! " was very active to discredit the real one.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 12:00:56 PM »
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    I have personal knowledge of this matter, and can try to answer some of the questions.  Anything I post will be factual as I know it to be from my own personal first-hand knowledge.

    Marie Auxiliadora, most everything you write here is correct.  The only thing not known for certain, is why (thus far at least) +W denied knowledge.  There have been made posts here which speculate as to why he would have done so, all of which make sense and could likely be true.  

       


    I believe you are sincere. I also believe the "apparitions" are true and in my over 30 years as a Traditionalist have not believed any other.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 01:28:40 PM »
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    I believe you are sincere. I also believe the "apparitions" are true and in my over 30 years as a Traditionalist have not believed any other.


    On what do you base this belief? So far there's been nothing but rumors and vagaries.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 01:28:48 PM »
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  • Regarding the "Consecration of Russia"

    Beyond this apparition/canard mentioned in this thread...  as Catholics we need to hang our hat on the Catholic Faith alone, not on private revelations (including Fatima - dogmatized by some).  

    I've heard some rabid anti-sede folks in the "Fatima Industry" point to Fatima as "dogmatic" proof that the Seat must be occupied (regardless of Roman heresy / apostasy), as Our Lady said we must pray for the Pope to consecrate Russia.  They would say If there is no Pope then the Novus Ordo Sr. Lucy (read imposter) was wrong, and according to them, to question the "Sr. Lucy" and her opinion as to whether Russia was consecrated "sufficiently" by Pius XII would be "heresy".  

    Don't get me wrong, I like private revelations (Fatima included).  I am convinced however, that  La Salette is the principal revelation for our times.  I'm also convinced that the "Third Secret" of Fatima is essentially the message of La Salette.  Why would Our Lady contradict herself?

    Some things to consider regarding the (largely if not entirely) fulfilled message of Fatima... nations were anihilated and Portugal lost the Faith. Prior to Pius XII's consecration of Russia, the "Rulers of Russia" were rapidly spreading their errors (to China, Europe, America and beyond - we're not talking about "Orthodoxy" here).

    In July 1952 Pius XII specifically consecrated the Peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno. Pius XII stated:

        "Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…"

    There can be no doubt that in 1952-1953 (post consecration - post Stalin) some sort of drastic change / conversion occured in Russia.   Remember Communist Russia (and the butcher Stalin) was our great ally and in short order (after Pius XII's consecration) Stalin lost the office he held for 30 years (1952), died (1953) and Russia gradually stopped marching to the "Rulers of Russia's" drum.  Russia became (USA's, Mainstream Media's, Hollywood's, United Nation's) "Mortal Enemy".

    Today, Mr. Putin's Russia is definitely at enmity with the former "Rulers", is the US?




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    « Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 01:36:16 PM »
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    Regarding the "Consecration of Russia"

    In July 1952 Pius XII specifically consecrated the Peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno. Pius XII stated:

        "Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…"



    Pius XII did NOT do so in union w/bishops and we can see the fruits from 1952 to, say 1991..which were no fruits......

    THem (USSR) is now Us (USA/EU)
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 02:38:11 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 02:44:23 PM »
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    I believe you are sincere. I also believe the "apparitions" are true and in my over 30 years as a Traditionalist have not believed any other.


    On what do you base this belief? So far there's been nothing but rumors and vagaries.


    I think she knows and I also believe the statement from Crusaders. It won't be long before the truth comes out. How do I know? because the truth always does. Until then, we won't know who is right or wrong. Do we?
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    « Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 02:58:56 PM »
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    Regarding the "Consecration of Russia"

    Beyond this apparition/canard mentioned in this thread...  as Catholics we need to hang our hat on the Catholic Faith alone, not on private revelations (including Fatima - dogmatized by some).  

    I've heard some rabid anti-sede folks in the "Fatima Industry" point to Fatima as "dogmatic" proof that the Seat must be occupied (regardless of Roman heresy / apostasy), as Our Lady said we must pray for the Pope to consecrate Russia.  They would say If there is no Pope then the Novus Ordo Sr. Lucy (read imposter) was wrong, and according to them, to question the "Sr. Lucy" and her opinion as to whether Russia was consecrated "sufficiently" by Pius XII would be "heresy".  

    Don't get me wrong, I like private revelations (Fatima included).  I am convinced however, that  La Salette is the principal revelation for our times.  I'm also convinced that the "Third Secret" of Fatima is essentially the message of La Salette.  Why would Our Lady contradict herself?

    Some things to consider regarding the (largely if not entirely) fulfilled message of Fatima... nations were anihilated and Portugal lost the Faith. Prior to Pius XII's consecration of Russia, the "Rulers of Russia" were rapidly spreading their errors (to China, Europe, America and beyond - we're not talking about "Orthodoxy" here).

    In July 1952 Pius XII specifically consecrated the Peoples of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno. Pius XII stated:

        "Just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…"

    There can be no doubt that in 1952-1953 (post consecration - post Stalin) some sort of drastic change / conversion occured in Russia.   Remember Communist Russia (and the butcher Stalin) was our great ally and in short order (after Pius XII's consecration) Stalin lost the office he held for 30 years (1952), died (1953) and Russia gradually stopped marching to the "Rulers of Russia's" drum.  Russia became (USA's, Mainstream Media's, Hollywood's, United Nation's) "Mortal Enemy".

    Today, Mr. Putin's Russia is definitely at enmity with the former "Rulers", is the US?




    Ferdinand,

    In all charity, you are way out of the ball park on this one. I can only suggest you read http://www.fatimacrusader.com/ I have known Fr. Gruner for many years and he is a very saintly priest. He has been persecuted for his heroic defense and work for the Consecration of Russia as our Lady of Fatima requested. I know an ex SSPX priest who had the worse opinion of Fr. Gruner, after my husband and I spoke to him he read and prayed about it and finally ended up asking Fr. Paul Wickens about it and the next time we saw him he said:"...I felt compelled to go to confession...Thank you!"

    Give Fatima.org or the Fatima Crusader.com  a chance and you will not regret it!
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)