[stevusmagnus]

Is Rorate veiledly referencing CI in some of its recent posts?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/06/for-record-confidentiality-like-water.html

Note: When this web log was started, with the aim of, among other things, providing Traditional Catholic news and views, there was a goal of staying on top of things. This goal still exists, but, in the past few months, it has been affected twice by the revolutionary behavior of leakers of private or confidential docuмents and the problems of conscience such behavior causes.

It must be said that we expected all kinds of things when we began this work, but not this kind of attitude. It is discouraging that the Traditional Catholic world has generated this kind of behavior: we are dealing here with some of the lowest forms of the human character. In governments, businesses, universities, courts we find more honorable and loyal people in positions in which confidentiality must be kept than in the Vatican (as the "Vatileaks" scandal reveals) or, for instance, in the Society of Saint Pius X. Below them flow sewers of lack of conscience and of disloyalty. And naturally there are priests involved... It is sickening and disgusting. It is unworthy of the Catholic name.

Like water through a sieve: that seems to be the value of "confidentiality" inside the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX). Last time important internal docuмents were leaked, they were about one month old by the time they were made public by the leaker(s). This time, it took only a few minutes, or hours, for a very relevant confidential internal docuмent to appear in the usual Sedevacantist, crypto-Sedevacantist, or Sedeprivationist forums and venues.

Anyway, once again we were aware of the leak minutes after it took place in one of those venues. We are now on the following day, almost 24 hours after the leak, and the docuмent and contents have been made public also in more respectable sources, including Tornielli's page in Vatican Insider, Le Forum Catholique and Kreuz.net. At this point, we will not be helping the leak effort, but simply recording what is known, as part of our "for the record" policy.
Our translation of the leaked circular letter follows. (The original docuмent in French can be found here, in Vatican Insider.)

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/06/sspx-last-minute-hurdles-fsspx.html

...Already within the Society, those spirits for whom an agreement with the Apostolic See is unthinkable began to delude themselves by imagining that their action had dealt a fatal blow to this fateful process which intended, in their view, to destroy them. If their reasoning were to be followed, it should rather be imagined that Rome would have taken advantage of the division of the four bishops to deal a fatal blow to the work of Abp. Lefebvre by moving on with the process until the end. The rebound of June 13 makes them look mistaken in every scenario...

...If the internet offers a magnifying effect to the fiery sermons of some Traditionalist priests who think  they can undermine their hierarchy by having their words propagated by Sedevacantist websites, the web does not say anything of the real issues afflicting the Church. Bp. Fellay reached in mid-April the limits of the line granted to the Society by Abp. Lefebvre, at the very risk of causing dismay to some of his colleagues who increased the manifestations of their fears. Those Roman interlocutors who have provoked this rebound have probably not really perceived this. It is also likely that they feared the increase of the silent opposition of the German episcopate, who presented their own ultimatums to the Successor of Peter. The extreme reluctance of Bp. Fellay seemed to suggest that they hid themselves behind formulas that created an impasse upon several months of clarifications and discussions, thus risking their own disavowal.


Paradoxically, they have rendered a great service to Bp. Fellay, by allowing him to show that, while doing his utmost for the canonical recognition of the eminently Roman work of Abp. Lefebvre, his firmness remained intact, as is shown by the way by a letter of Father Thouvenot fraudulently released on the internet. The fact remains that  only the Pope has the power to bind and loose. Faced with all opposition - the strongest of which being that of those closes to him -, it is to him that belongs, in fine, the right to decide. After twelve years of discussions, at the end of seven years of pontificate, this man, who a few weeks ago said that enough injustices had been committed against the Society, will set in place the endpoint which he alone, as head of the Church, has the right to set in place.

[AntiFellayism]

Rorate Caeli was NEVER a friend of Tradition... so no surprise there!

All these neo-conservitives and neo-traditionalists are really doing is flattering themselves, after all NOW the SSPX is in process of "regularization", of being "brought back"; and once it's "regularized and brought back to my previous and erroneous position I can support them".

Why do they call the ones in the SSPX that didn't change sedes??? Because that's what they used to do it before when +Fellay was still holding Catholic Tradition.

So they are really supporting and flattering themselves, I repeat. No brainer.

The perfect example of ex-protestants that still hold something dear from their old protestant sect, tha's all.

[ultrarigorist]

Is Rorate veiledly referencing CI in some of its recent posts?

I've begun to take the view that Rorate is, or has become, whether intentionally or not, a "controlled opposition". In any case, it's principals certainly don't suffer from stunted egos, and once they began a programme of heavy moderation, a lot of posters simply quit bothering to comment there. What's worse in their view, is that many read current articles (on RC), then discuss them in open fora such as CI. Their displeasure at this state of affairs has manifested itself as unrestrained vitriol against CI and IA in particular, by the RC moderators .

[catherineofsiena]

Is Rorate veiledly referencing CI in some of its recent posts?

I've begun to take the view that Rorate is, or has become, whether intentionally or not, a "controlled opposition". In any case, it's principals certainly don't suffer from stunted egos, and once they began a programme of heavy moderation, a lot of posters simply quit bothering to comment there. What's worse in their view, is that many read current articles (on RC), then discuss them in open fora such as CI. Their displeasure at this state of affairs has manifested itself as unrestrained vitriol against CI and IA in particular, by the RC moderators .

The mask came off in January of this year.  Up until that point the moderation was decent.  A person had to say something really offensive to get blocked.  Then in January they decided to take a phony poll of their readership.  Surprise surprise, they "discovered" that most of their readers were Novus Ordo interested in tradition.  So, in the interest of evangelization, they were going to orient the blog to them.  That meant trads had to tone down their comments or else.  The heavy hand of moderation is the or else.  I'd never had comments blocked before and after January it was rare if I got one through.  I wasn't saying anything controversial.  I finally gave up.

RC is mad about cathinfo and IA because we are allowed to speak.  RC wants to control the information and replies (sort of like the national liberal media).  It's a sham and if we knew more of what was happening behind the scenes I think we'd be even more disturbed.

[Telesphorus]

It must be said that we expected all kinds of things when we began this work, but not this kind of attitude. It is discouraging that the Traditional Catholic world has generated this kind of behavior: we are dealing here with some of the lowest forms of the human character. In governments, businesses, universities, courts we find more honorable and loyal people in positions in which confidentiality must be kept than in the Vatican (as the "Vatileaks" scandal reveals) or, for instance, in the Society of Saint Pius X. Below them flow sewers of lack of conscience and of disloyalty. And naturally there are priests involved... It is sickening and disgusting. It is unworthy of the Catholic name.

Hahahaha, sounds like something from the ADL.

[1917]

Well that figures.  My comments didn't get published!!!  They didn't want to print that I am not a sedevacantist, I do pray for our Pope and that I am not for the agreement.  Talk about 'controlling'!  Ah well, I shan't bother trying anymore ... I'll just bother you lot!!! :dancing:  Hope you don't mind!!!  :jumping2:

[Telesphorus]

the web does not say anything of the real issues afflicting the Church.

These people sound exactly like left-wingers.  

Needless to say, they are in a consternation, as this obloquy proves.

The liberal usurpers are not going to inherit tradition.  They might succeed in stealing properties from those who gave to Tradition, but they won't steal Tradition itself.

All they will get is a pitiful little corner side altar in the Novus Ordo Babylon temple, in which they will attempt to sacrifice the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre to the One World Religion.

But Tradition will not die at their hands.  

[Caraffa]

Is Rorate veiledly referencing CI in some of its recent posts?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/06/for-record-confidentiality-like-water.html

Note: When this web log was started, with the aim of, among other things, providing Traditional Catholic news and views, there was a goal of staying on top of things. This goal still exists, but, in the past few months, it has been affected twice by the revolutionary behavior of leakers of private or confidential docuмents and the problems of conscience such behavior causes.

So are the Popes who leaked Alta Vendita revolutionaries?

[finegan]

In recent years, Rorate has morphed into an unabashed PR mouthpiece for the current regime in Menzingen. The owner of the forum fancies himself as some sort of digital Walter Cronkite ("and that's the way it is, Traditional Catholics..."). His ego has certainly gotten out of hand.  :tv-disturbed:

As others have said, Rorate is nothing but a hangout for neo-con trads and their Novus Ordo fellow travelers.

[ultrarigorist]

The mask came off in January of this year.  Up until that point the moderation was decent.  A person had to say something really offensive to get blocked.  Then in January they decided to take a phony poll of their readership.  Surprise surprise, they "discovered" that most of their readers were Novus Ordo interested in tradition.  So, in the interest of evangelization, they were going to orient the blog to them.  That meant trads had to tone down their comments or else.  The heavy hand of moderation is the or else.  I'd never had comments blocked before and after January it was rare if I got one through.  I wasn't saying anything controversial.  I finally gave up.

RC is mad about cathinfo and IA because we are allowed to speak.  RC wants to control the information and replies (sort of like the national liberal media).  It's a sham and if we knew more of what was happening behind the scenes I think we'd be even more disturbed.

Precisely Catherine. I had actually noticed the moderation throttle getting worked a bit more as far back as November, but it became blatant round January. Ironically, this is when the Menzigen/Curia rhetoric began ratcheting into top gear, and why I believe there's more to RC than just a swell bunch of decent Catholic chaps with a nice little blog. Finegan noted that too.
IIRC their poll actually showed only 23% or so attended No-Mass "because they want to", with over 70% TLM-exclusively/mostly, or No-Mass under duress. The simple fact is, they lied about these survey results (after removing the poll data)

[JPaul]

It must be said that we expected all kinds of things when we began this work, but not this kind of attitude. It is discouraging that the Traditional Catholic world has generated this kind of behavior: we are dealing here with some of the lowest forms of the human character. In governments, businesses, universities, courts we find more honorable and loyal people in positions in which confidentiality must be kept than in the Vatican (as the "Vatileaks" scandal reveals) or, for instance, in the Society of Saint Pius X. Below them flow sewers of lack of conscience and of disloyalty. And naturally there are priests involved... It is sickening and disgusting. It is unworthy of the Catholic name.

Hahahaha, sounds like something from the ADL.

You are probably not to far from the point.  Surely there are a few Krah-sociates at work there.  This very much resembles his manner of speech.  They have been grousing about IA the last few days.  How long before the legal thuggery show itself over there again as it did during the squelching of Krahgate?

[trento]

Well that figures.  My comments didn't get published!!!  They didn't want to print that I am not a sedevacantist, I do pray for our Pope and that I am not for the agreement.  Talk about 'controlling'!  Ah well, I shan't bother trying anymore ... I'll just bother you lot!!! :dancing:  Hope you don't mind!!!  :jumping2:

1917, I did see your comments posted.

[GertrudetheGreat]

Rorate spin taken apart here:  http://strobertbellarmine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12229#p12229

[1917]

Hi Trento, thanks for that - just had a look.  My second comment has appeared, but in fact it was written later that day, sometime around 6pm.  So the first one was ignored and I guess I did rant ... oops!

But nothing on on the ABp Di Noia article.