Author Topic: USA and Fellay (Read 3447 times)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:40:11 PM »

Quote from: bernadette

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Quote from: Clint

Fellay put his people in charge here. ...

He sure did, but may just have slightly misjudged the 'pioneer spirit'. There are more than a few (!) who would rather (not necessarily optimal choice, mind) go to SV chapels than ever darken the doors of a "Grand Unified Neo-SSPX". But Fr. Rostand's little propaganda trilogy was not for nothing. They're definitely feeling the pinch in contributions, so keep up the good work and hold all funds in reserve. Or otherwise of course, give your usual directly to the priests who have publicly shown their courage and common sense.

This is true...there are two SV chapels within 45 minute drive from my house..as well an independent about the same distance. I live in Los Angeles county...there is certainly more choice for those in the bigger cities, and I believe that in the US...there will be many who will simply find an independent or SV chapel. I know that very little is told the faithful anything these last several years if ever..they are very secretive about what is going on, but every now and then, they will speak out..lately I've heard that our priest is advising tolerance towards the newbies that may come to the chapel after a deal...charity that is...towards those who wear pants, or haven't a veil...that sort of thing...but he's a party-liner...always has been.

He certainly is, since we got the same sermon in Minnesota about 5 weeks ago.

In other, there was a conditioning communique from the US District telling them what to say that particular week.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:40:34 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

When they say "show charity" - it's not because people are being outrageously rude about the dress requirements.

What it means is that they're going to get rid of the requirements, and the laity are supposed to shut up about it.

Anyone opposed to the changes "lacks charity."

HEADS UP, PEOPLE!

Telesphorus has his finger on the pulse -- excellent assessment of the situation!

This is why they're so close-to-the-chest with their cards, they don't want to have
the faithful thinking ahead of the curve. It's military strategy: don't let the
ENEMY know your plan: the element of surprise gives you the advantage.

Keep dumping news on them before they can form resistance, keep them in
suspense, and then shock them with the news.

I prefer the admonition of Bishop Tissier de Malerais, in his confirmation
sermon of June 20th, St. Thomas a Becket Church, Veneta Oregon:

I will give you examples of Fortitude. First of all, the Cristeros in Mexico,
during the war that they waged against the Freemasons that wanted to
abolish the Christian religion.

They took the arms, to fight with the arms against those who destroyed
the Christian religion. So they waged war, with violence. But this war is correct.
Because it was for the Catholic faith.

And maybe, also, we should defend our Catholic faith with the arms: with the
weapons! It can be: it can happen. It happened many times in the history
of the Church.

So, not every violence is bad. Sometimes, violence, war, is good, is lawful,
especially when we must defend the Catholic faith; when it is the only
means to vanquish the enemies of the Catholic faith.

That is the way of the Cristeros. And many of them were killed during the war.
They accepted to be killed. They are heroes of the faith.

The second way is the way of the martyrs of the early Church, the martyrs
during Communism, or the martyrs in Japan at the end of the 19th century.
Many Christians were arrested because they were Christians; they were accused
to be against the government, and they were condemned to die -- to death!
And to be crucified: in order to make fun of the Christian religion, they
crucified them like Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

The martyrs of Japan! And they had to bear many hours of suffering, of
terrible suffering on their crosses. They had to endure: that means, they had
to bear sufferings for a long time. So they had the passions of the martyrs.
And, the Holy Ghost gave them the strength to pray with a LOUD VOICE, and
to sing hymns in honor of Our Lord and of Our Lady -- from the cross, they
were able to sing canticles: the wonderful strength of those martyrs!

MaterDominici · « **Reply #17 on:** June 21, 2012, 11:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: bernadette

...lately I've heard that our priest is advising tolerance towards the newbies that may come to the chapel after a deal...charity that is...towards those who wear pants, or haven't a veil...that sort of thing...but he's a party-liner...always has been.

He certainly is, since we got the same sermon in Minnesota about 5 weeks ago.

In other, there was a conditioning communique from the US District telling them what to say that particular week.

We got the same sermon too, of course. I did note that our priest wasn't very enthusiastic about delivering the message. You can tell when someone really believes in what they're saying and it was clear that he was only passing on information.

I wonder, though, why they focused on that of all things. I don't disagree with Tele, but I'm just thinking there has to be more to it than that.

I can see where saying such things might lead some to believe that there really will be an influx of people just as soon as a deal is done. A whole crop of new Catholics exposed to the Traditional Mass and sacraments. For the really naive, it would be quite the pep talk for the rewards of joining with Rome. Of course, the number of people just sitting in the N.O. waiting for access to a TLM that is approved by Rome is very few. There are way too many FSSP/diocesan options to think this a reality. It will be all the same people as before and your N.O. family and friends will not magically love the Latin Mass simply because a deal is made or the Pope tells them it's OK to go.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2012, 12:09:14 AM »

Quote from: Seraphim

I email my priest news every time a SSPX priest comes out against a deal, and have also promised him housing, stipend, insurance, privacy, car, etc if the time comes that he needs to make a decision.

You don't have to answer this, but I'm wondering if you:
A) can guarantee all of these things with your personal resources
B) have collaborated with others locally to ensure you have the resources for these things
or
C) are pretty sure you have enough support to guarantee these things, but are not certain

I'm hoping the answer is B as it means that anyone who is willing to stick their neck out a bit and talk to people locally might be able to gather enough promise of resources to guarantee their priest the same.

ora pro me · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:39:25 PM »

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Quote from: jman123
how many american priests are sent overseas in the US and how many are in the USA. I want percentages.

You can call the US District office and ask them. They would have the most up-to-date figures.

Wow, why would this get a thumb down? It was merely meant as trying to be helpful. Who here can give jman123 the number and percentages? I seen he started a thread asking the same question. No one has answered him. I was simply making a helpful suggestion that if he calls the District Office they would be able to give him the accurate number.

Morning Star,
I don't know why someone would thumb down your post, but I saw on one of your other posts that you wondered if the thumb down was an accident and yes, that could have been the case.

I thought your suggestion to call the U.S. District office was helpful. I personally don't know where someone would get this info, but perhaps someone on this site will be able to answer jman123's question. I commend your jumping in to try to help a fellow Catholic and I hope that you will not allow the thumb down to discourage you from posting. Welcome to the site.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:54:53 PM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: Seraphim
I email my priest news every time a SSPX priest comes out against a deal, and have also promised him housing, stipend, insurance, privacy, car, etc if the time comes that he needs to make a decision.

You don't have to answer this, but I'm wondering if you:
A) can guarantee all of these things with your personal resources
B) have collaborated with others locally to ensure you have the resources for these things
or
C) are pretty sure you have enough support to guarantee these things, but are not certain

I'm hoping the answer is B as it means that anyone who is willing to stick their neck out a bit and talk to people locally might be able to gather enough promise of resources to guarantee their priest the same.

Unfortunately, the answer is "A"