Author Topic: Rome gives SSPX permission to ordain latest group of ordinands (Read 2619 times)

Matthew · « **on:** July 08, 2016, 01:30:03 PM »

"A STEP IN THE SINKING-GRADUAL RECOGNITION OF THE FRATERNITY: MONS. OF GALARRETA ANNOUNCES Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith he has authorized SSPX ordinations
. On July 2, Bishop de Galarreta said in a sermon at St. Nicholas of Chardonnet ( here ). "I have with me the letter that gave me His Excellency Bishop Fellay where the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith tells us, he Bishop said, that we can proceed with the ordinations without asking permission from the Ordinaries;.. you just give them the names of the ordained, which will of course, timely So we are neither illegal nor schismatic "
Note that the "cordial meeting" of September 2014 between Msgr. Fellay and Cardinal. Müller gave renewed impetus to the arrangements between the SSPX and Rome. The corresponding statement of the Vatican (of 09/14/23) states that "it has been agreed to proceed gradually and within a reasonable time to overcome difficulties and achieve the desired full reconciliation time."
As we know, by a letter dated 1 September 2015 , Francisco ordinary jurisdiction granted to all SSPX priests to confer the Sacrament of Penance. Then he said that this concession also includes the Sacrament of Extreme Unction. Are two Sacraments ... And continuing with this strategy of gradual progress, it is now the turn of a third Sacramento: the Sacrament of Orders.
On 27 June, Jacques Régis du Cray * posted the following comment on the statement of 22 June Bishop of Regensburg on the ordinations of the SSPX in the seminar of Germany: "This statement of the Bishop of Regensburg regarding the ordinations of Zaitzkofen bears witness to a major change, marking a further step in the gradual recognition by Rome of the ministry of priests of the SSPX for several months. on 1 September 2015, Pope Francis said he considered "valid and lawful "confessions administered within it. on 1 April 2016, the Roman pontiff said Msgr. Fellay that" the power to confess, very obviously continues after (the holy year) "[...] Francisco withdrew doubt [...] on the sacrament of the sick conferred by the priests of the Fraternity. in recent days, the Holy See allows bishops of the Society confer the priesthood without suffering sanctions. it is the bishop Regensburg that informs us of this news. He explicitly said to have been contacted in this regard by Msgr. Pozzo and states that these ordinations are not only "tolerated", but also are "accepted". [...] In Rome acts as ten years in favor of the fraternity, past sanctions fade away one after another. In 2009, let rise reconsider the excommunication of 2 July 1988. Accepting openly the bishops of the Fraternity to ordain seminarians, the Holy See allows them what initially banned Msgr. Lefebvre in 1976, and earned him the suspension divinis. all that remains is the act by Mgr. Mamie, bishop of Freiburg, on May 6, 1975, canonically suppressing the SSPX."

http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2016/07/un-paso-mas-en-el-hundimiento.html

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2016, 03:58:27 PM »

In normal times, did a bishop have to have Rome's permission to ordain priests?

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2016, 04:21:45 PM »

So, now they are rubber-stamped for everything except consecrating new bishops, eh? And after their strong condemnations regarding the consecrating of resistance bishops, where does that lead? I think we all know.

Meg · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2016, 04:39:18 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

. On July 2, Bishop de Galarreta said in a sermon at St. Nicholas of Chardonnet ( here ). "I have with me the letter that gave me His Excellency Bishop Fellay where the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith tells us, he Bishop said, that we can proceed with the ordinations without asking permission from the Ordinaries;.. you just give them the names of the ordained, which will of course, timely So we are neither illegal nor schismatic "

Where it states above that...."So we are neither illegal or schismatic," I have to wonder if that's part of what Bp. Fellay said, or if it's Bp. de Galarreta's opinion on the issue. I can't imagine that either of them believe that the SSPX is illegal or schismatic (maybe they do?). It could just be a reference to how the conciliar church views the SSPX.

compline · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2016, 05:20:07 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

In normal times, did a bishop have to have Rome's permission to ordain priests?

No, but in normal times the bishops are appointed by the pope, so the permission is implicit.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2016, 06:39:37 PM »

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: Matthew

. On July 2, Bishop de Galarreta said in a sermon at St. Nicholas of Chardonnet ( here ). "I have with me the letter that gave me His Excellency Bishop Fellay where the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith tells us, he Bishop said, that we can proceed with the ordinations without asking permission from the Ordinaries;.. you just give them the names of the ordained, which will of course, timely So we are neither illegal nor schismatic "

Where it states above that...."So we are neither illegal or schismatic," I have to wonder if that's part of what Bp. Fellay said, or if it's Bp. de Galarreta's opinion on the issue. I can't imagine that either of them believe that the SSPX is illegal or schismatic (maybe they do?). It could just be a reference to how the conciliar church views the SSPX.

My translation from NP:
Bishop de Galarreta stated: “I have with me the letter given to me by +Fellay where the CDF tells us, told +Fellay, that we can proceed with the ordinations without permission of the local Ordinaries; that it is enough to provide them with the names of the ordained, which we’ll do of course, at the proper time. Therefore, we are not schismatic or illegal."

mw2016 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2016, 07:16:06 PM »

Could someone re-write this article in ENGLISH? Sheesh!

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2016, 08:26:21 PM »

It's obvious that Francis / Bergoglio has "leap-frogged" the Novus-Ordo institutional church and his own hierarchy (and also that of the SSPX) by blatantly accepting pretty much whatever the SSPX wants when it comes to institutional recognition. No need for paper agreements, no need for "permission", no need for local diocesan recognition or control by local Novus Ordo bishops...just come on in and be a part of the three ringed circus called the "Novus Ordo" while setting up shop at one of the many side altars created by New-church. No paperwork, no agreements, no red tape as ALL are welcome, (Catholic and apostate) without DISTINCTION in NewChurch.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2016, 08:26:54 PM »

Quote from: compline

Quote from: TKGS
In normal times, did a bishop have to have Rome's permission to ordain priests?

No, but in normal times the bishops are appointed by the pope, so the permission is implicit.

Ok. I guess that makes sense.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2016, 06:08:11 AM »

Listen. There are orders that were founded by sodomists which were never dissolved or restricted.
Within novus ordo there known are sodomist parishes and clergy. The local bishops condone this.
And in our area, we have a former Protestant minister with wife, kids and grandchildren in charge of one of the biggest modern richest parishes in the diocese.
Then there are the Maronites in our local diocese and they are not under our bishop ; but have their own. And while the Church was persecuting Archbishop Lefebvre for disobedience the Church was protecting pedophile priests and sodomites who abused children; teens and young seminarians.

The society never left the Church. It was the Church which showed no mercy and ostracized the SSPX while the Church placed Jesus as the same as false gods of false religions.
The Church has committed Simony by selling off Catholic Churches, cemeteries, relics
Instead of allowing Society of St Peter, Institute of Christ come into diocese and take over property. One parish is Latin Mass within diocese. Maybe a Latin mass here and there which has the Latin mass located in liberal towns and unusual times or once a week; once a month.
There are parishes within dioceses that have restricted Conservative novus ordo Mass.

The Catholic Church show compassion to more compassion to sodomists then victims.
The Church has shown more compassion to false religions then persecuted Christians.

The Catholic Church has broken God's Commandment by showing mercy to religions with false gods.

The Catholic Church continues to persecute and "Judge" the SSPX.

It's the true Mass (and not the Novus ordo mass in Latin or half Latin and half novus ordo)

It is the Mass; the Faith of our Fathers. And along with traditional moral theology. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. A.M.D.G.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2016, 08:16:45 AM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The Catholic Church show compassion to more compassion to sodomists then victims.
The Church has shown more compassion to false religions then persecuted Christians.

The Catholic Church has broken God's Commandment by showing mercy to religions with false gods.

The Catholic Church continues to persecute and "Judge" the SSPX.

Please try and understand at least this: It is impossible for the Catholic church to have done these things, therefore it is NOT the Catholic church, your "pope" is leading souls to hell, that is impossible for the Vicar of Christ, that is equal to saying Christ has failed, and He has not failed, His Church is no longer in Rome.

Just as Mary of Magdalene has cried," they have taken my Lord and I do not know where they have placed Him". So we cry for His Vicar today!