I was present for the press visit to help with any language barriers, even though not necessary since His Excellency speaks fluent English.

There were many interesting things left out of the report. I thought it was it was interesting when they asked if there were any other bishops or cardinals who thought like him and Bishop Williamson. His Excellency responded that he thought there were two more in the Society of St. Pius X.  I felt a bit relieved at this remark about Bishop De Galerreta. We already knew this about Bishop Tissier, but Bishop De Galerreta has been quiet and probably will continue to be, as he was before the crisis in the Society. He signed the letter of the three bishops and was also recommended by the then Fr. Faure, so this is something to consider. When one reads De Galerreta's response to Pope Benedict about the Ecclesia Dei letter being a sort of trap and that no practical deal without a doctrinal resolution is possible, this is a tiny glimmer of hope. Overall, I was left with hope that he publicly said that about the other two bishops. Even if the reporters didn't pick up on the importance of it.

A few other things were interesting ways of responding to the reporters comments. These reporters had the balls to ask if another World War would be good for the Catholic Church. His Excellency responded clearly that it would be horrible but maybe necessary who knows and that his great grandfather participated in World War 1 and his grandfather in World War 2 so perhaps we shall continue the Tradition.

You can't trust journalists!

When asked about the whereabouts of the next consecrations, His Excellency gave no direct answer, perhaps Brazil, perhaps Europe, maybe even the United States.


They came looking for Bishop Williamson to probe about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but he was resting.

Thank you very much for this posting, Centroamerica, this information is a precious reminder that there is hope that we will end up with 4 stalwart bishops (maybe more to come) yet.  

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I was present for the press visit to help with any language barriers, even though not necessary since His Excellency speaks fluent English.

There were many interesting things left out of the report. I thought it was it was interesting when they asked if there were any other bishops or cardinals who thought like him and Bishop Williamson. His Excellency responded that he thought there were two more in the Society of St. Pius X.  I felt a bit relieved at this remark about Bishop De Galerreta. We already knew this about Bishop Tissier, but Bishop De Galerreta has been quiet and probably will continue to be, as he was before the crisis in the Society. He signed the letter of the three bishops and was also recommended by the then Fr. Faure, so this is something to consider. When one reads De Galerreta's response to Pope Benedict about the Ecclesia Dei letter being a sort of trap and that no practical deal without a doctrinal resolution is possible, this is a tiny glimmer of hope. Overall, I was left with hope that he publicly said that about the other two bishops. Even if the reporters didn't pick up on the importance of it.

A few other things were interesting ways of responding to the reporters comments. These reporters had the balls to ask if another World War would be good for the Catholic Church. His Excellency responded clearly that it would be horrible but maybe necessary who knows and that his great grandfather participated in World War 1 and his grandfather in World War 2 so perhaps we shall continue the Tradition.

You can't trust journalists!

When asked about the whereabouts of the next consecrations, His Excellency gave no direct answer, perhaps Brazil, perhaps Europe, maybe even the United States.


They came looking for Bishop Williamson to probe about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but he was resting.

Thank you very much for this posting, Centroamerica, this information is a precious reminder that there is hope that we will end up with 4 stalwart bishops (maybe more to come) yet.  

Two of the Bishops have already failed the stalwart test, when they abandoned Bishop Williamson, and remained silent therafter.

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h0Ɩ0cαųst:  Burnt offering, a sacrifice wherein the victim is entirely consumed by fire.  Let us not use h0Ɩ0cαųst when referring to the murder of the Jєωs.  The Jєωs may refer to their murders as such, we, as catholic do not, should not.

Do we as catholics, refer to our martyrs as h0Ɩ0cαųst?  No.  Their sacrifice was to a false god.

I like Matthew's word: "h0Ɩ0h0αx." I'm going with that from this point forward.

I didn't make it up though; several others have used it before me. I think it fits very well.

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h0Ɩ0cαųst:  Burnt offering, a sacrifice wherein the victim is entirely consumed by fire.  Let us not use h0Ɩ0cαųst when referring to the murder of the Jєωs.  The Jєωs may refer to their murders as such, we, as catholic do not, should not.

Do we as catholics, refer to our martyrs as h0Ɩ0cαųst?  No.  Their sacrifice was to a false god.

I like Matthew's word: "h0Ɩ0h0αx." I'm going with that from this point forward.

I didn't make it up though; several others have used it before me. I think it fits very well.

It not only fits well, It is entirely true.

Somehow this thread got focused on the inquisition, anyways I am a fan, let me say it.  If the inquisition would have continued maybe there would have never been so many rampant heresies in Latin America.  Not to confuse things even more, but the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith was the conciliar version of the Office of the Holy Inquisition, which condemned the tenets of modernism under St. Pius X.























St. Peter Martyr, Inquisitor, pray for us!

Centroamerica,

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Not to confuse things even more, but the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith was the conciliar version of the Office of the Holy Inquisition, which condemned the tenets of modernism under St. Pius X.

Yes, now the new one condemns the tenets of Traditionalism.

And under a brand new name as well.  They have had to start by employing the most heretical writers of "books full of heresies"- in order to get the ball rolling.

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So if a pious young man shows up at a trad seminary, he should be thrown in the dungeon and put on the rack a few times, to make sure he's not a Marrano infiltrator?

You need to read up on history. That is just Black Legend propaganda. However, many of the greatest saints were questioned by the Inquisition and regarded these occasions as spiritually profitable self-examinations and reasonable precaution by a holy and necessary Church institution. All the saints of the Middle Ages approved of the Inquisition and many participated directly. No wise Catholic would wish to be part of a seminary, school, or any other institution not guarded by the Inquisition.

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I don't think there IS a solution to such a sophisticated level of evil. Embracing paranoia is not an option. Committing grave sins against the 5th commandment (e.g., torturing innocent parties) is not an option.

Again, torture has nothing particularly to do with Inquisition, any more than it has to do with crime investigation or military intelligence. Throughout human history, torture was the primary means of investigation in all human spheres. It still is in most regions of the world, in many classified departments of the US government, and the global underground economy.

What is the essence Inquisition if not torture? Merely a willingness to admit the spiritual reality of this fallen earth, despite its unpleasantness. Modern men prefer to imagine a world rainbows and unicorns even as the whole of it groans under the tyrannical yoke of its prince. However, Christ provides the means to exchange this tyranny for His gentler yoke. That is the Good News. In other words, we need no longer cower in fear of that prince yet even while we remain on this earth. We are able to built protected spaces that not only improve the quality of this life, but allow greater numbers to gather in preparation for the next.

Without the Inquisition there would have been no Catholic kingdoms, no Catholic Europe, and no Roman Catholic Church as we once knew it. If the Inquisition had not been overcome by its enemies, such kingdoms and Church human institutions would still be standing. Modern Catholics may not be interested in satanic conspiracy, but satanic conspiracy is interested in them (and their families). We need human institutions like the SSPX or the Resistance to create protected spaces for our children to grow up in the faith. I suspect the SSPX may have been compromised and that this has diminished the safety of the spaces they provide and that the infiltration will eventually destroy the Society if it is not rooted out. Furthermore, I believe that any saint transported from the Middle Ages to our time would quickly reach the same conclusion.

Historic mainstream protestants became deist and atheist liberals when they started imagining themselves more holy than Christ. World-conquering Catholics became weaklings and cowards when they starting imagining themselves more holy than their greatest saints, popes, and kings after falling for the liberal lie that the Holy Inquisition was a sin. One cannot claim to support the Social Kingdom of Christ while rejecting its foundational defensive arm, the Holy Inquisition.

Obviously, a Resistance seminary in modern France could not employ torture just as most of the actual work of historic inquisition did not employ torture. Ending the post-Inquisition retreat from spiritual reality would require that every inmate of the seminary fully understand the likelihood that they are targeted and fully commit to behave accordingly. To paraphrase Paul, "When I became a man, I put away rainbows and unicorns." Genuinely reestablishing the Social Kingdom within seminary walls would involve dedicated study of the ancient texts and modern evidences concerning infiltration of the priesthood. There is no shortage of material, especially with the internet.

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Catholics are GOING to be victims in this world. The good are always victimized by the wicked. That's what heaven and hell are for -- to balance the scales of justice and make everything right.

Just remember how Christ conquered all on Good Friday. The ways of God are not the ways of men.

Even Christ's own apostles didn't understand this, and all but 1 were scandalized when He was taken prisoner. The Jєωs of His time certainly didn't understand.

Catholics saints of the Middle Ages did understand. Catholics today, less so. Judge a tree by its fruit.

Would God permit the destruction of the SSPX to be completed and a similar fate for the Resistance? How could He be so cruel? Well, He did give us the Church. And she in her wisdom gave us the Holy Inquisition. And history proves that the Inquisition was critical to the Church's success and its defeat was critical to the success of Church enemies. If we, hanging at the end of our rope after countless surrenders, are still so blinded by the conceit of ourselves more holy than the saints that we pridefully refuse to pick up the sword forged by the Church to fight the very foe now crashing through the last bulwark, do we deserve to be saved?

Well said, Sister Columba.  This is genuine Roman Catholic realism.

The Social Reign of Christ means the acceptance of the Whole Christ, and therefore also the Whole Christendom, including the Inquisition, the Three Estates, Catholic Kingship, the Two Swords (meaning that the Catholic State is the institutional organisation of the Catholic laity within the Catholic Church), Catholic Knighthood, Roman discipline, the just wage and the criminality of usury.  In general this is simply Roman Catholic manhood, the acceptance of the truth that, as the Good Book says, the Christian life is a warfare.

Franciscans emphasise the freedom of God, or the truth that our all-too-human sins and betrayals don't obligate God to anything.  He is free to punish men at His own discretion and the idea that just punishment is somehow immoral is one of the basic errors of Protestantism.  An error every Catholic ought to avoid like the Protestant plague it is.  Fr. Faber once wrote that one of the names of God is "the Unjust Judge".  We were wise to understand this and not presume against the Holy Inquisition, an attitude that must tempt God more than one would prefer to think about.  The greatest achievement of the Dominicans is not something a Catholic should dismiss lightly.  The Holy Inquisition is holy as the Dominican Order is holy.  In truth they are one and the same.

The Social Reign of Christ and Integral Roman Christianity are not marginal rogue and schismatic activities.  They are the mainstream championing of our historic Western Civilisation.  It is those who reject these reasonable and moderate ideas who are the dangerously marginal and provincial rogues and schismatics.  It is they who have inflicted the contemporary Jєωιѕн tyranny and devastation on the world.  Hence Catholic men should not be quavering at the mention of the Inquisition.  

Instead we had best be girding our loins for the ferocity of the glorious battles now before us.