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Offline GGMoreno

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2015, 12:10:42 PM »
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  • The cry of Latae Sententiae is a very deviously clever way to avoid defining objectivity and subjectivity in regard to the situation. Sure, any man who kills another man is guilty of murder as the law states. If, he kills another man because the man directly challenged the lives of his family, then he is not guilty of murder. Simply waving a law code is laughable, but due to the grave situation, it is deplorable and disingenuous.


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    « Reply #16 on: March 31, 2015, 02:37:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica

    That's like saying one should never mention "I'm Roman Catholic oh and by the way a Dominican tertiary, or Holy Name Society member, etc. etc."

    I fail to see any problem with his statement.


    There was no need to provide the Jєωsmedia with the clubs with which to beat them up, and marginalize them, by using language which suggests sectarianism or separatism.

    A true Catholic resistance is fighting for the Catholic Church and religion. All secondary and lesser designations are irrelevant, and only serve to diffuse that reality.

    They may be carrying on in the way of the Archbishop but, they are no longer in the compromised SSPX, and should in fact, distance themselves from it.

    Catholics working for the restoration of the Catholic Church is the mission.

    I am a Roman Catholic is enough, in fact it is everything, and all that needs to be imparted.


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    « Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 03:37:09 PM »
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  • h0Ɩ0cαųst:  Burnt offering, a sacrifice wherein the victim is entirely consumed by fire.  Let us not use h0Ɩ0cαųst when referring to the murder of the Jєωs.  The Jєωs may refer to their murders as such, we, as catholic do not, should not.

    Do we as catholics, refer to our martyrs as h0Ɩ0cαųst?  No.  Their sacrifice was to a false god.

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    « Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 03:40:53 PM »
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  • Sorry, Their gods was referring to the Jєωs gods.

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    « Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 03:49:03 PM »
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    So if a pious young man shows up at a trad seminary, he should be thrown in the dungeon and put on the rack a few times, to make sure he's not a Marrano infiltrator?

    You need to read up on history. That is just Black Legend propaganda. However, many of the greatest saints were questioned by the Inquisition and regarded these occasions as spiritually profitable self-examinations and reasonable precaution by a holy and necessary Church institution. All the saints of the Middle Ages approved of the Inquisition and many participated directly. No wise Catholic would wish to be part of a seminary, school, or any other institution not guarded by the Inquisition.

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    I don't think there IS a solution to such a sophisticated level of evil. Embracing paranoia is not an option. Committing grave sins against the 5th commandment (e.g., torturing innocent parties) is not an option.

    Again, torture has nothing particularly to do with Inquisition, any more than it has to do with crime investigation or military intelligence. Throughout human history, torture was the primary means of investigation in all human spheres. It still is in most regions of the world, in many classified departments of the US government, and the global underground economy.

    What is the essence Inquisition if not torture? Merely a willingness to admit the spiritual reality of this fallen earth, despite its unpleasantness. Modern men prefer to imagine a world rainbows and unicorns even as the whole of it groans under the tyrannical yoke of its prince. However, Christ provides the means to exchange this tyranny for His gentler yoke. That is the Good News. In other words, we need no longer cower in fear of that prince yet even while we remain on this earth. We are able to built protected spaces that not only improve the quality of this life, but allow greater numbers to gather in preparation for the next.

    Without the Inquisition there would have been no Catholic kingdoms, no Catholic Europe, and no Roman Catholic Church as we once knew it. If the Inquisition had not been overcome by its enemies, such kingdoms and Church human institutions would still be standing. Modern Catholics may not be interested in satanic conspiracy, but satanic conspiracy is interested in them (and their families). We need human institutions like the SSPX or the Resistance to create protected spaces for our children to grow up in the faith. I suspect the SSPX may have been compromised and that this has diminished the safety of the spaces they provide and that the infiltration will eventually destroy the Society if it is not rooted out. Furthermore, I believe that any saint transported from the Middle Ages to our time would quickly reach the same conclusion.

    Historic mainstream protestants became deist and atheist liberals when they started imagining themselves more holy than Christ. World-conquering Catholics became weaklings and cowards when they starting imagining themselves more holy than their greatest saints, popes, and kings after falling for the liberal lie that the Holy Inquisition was a sin. One cannot claim to support the Social Kingdom of Christ while rejecting its foundational defensive arm, the Holy Inquisition.

    Obviously, a Resistance seminary in modern France could not employ torture just as most of the actual work of historic inquisition did not employ torture. Ending the post-Inquisition retreat from spiritual reality would require that every inmate of the seminary fully understand the likelihood that they are targeted and fully commit to behave accordingly. To paraphrase Paul, "When I became a man, I put away rainbows and unicorns." Genuinely reestablishing the Social Kingdom within seminary walls would involve dedicated study of the ancient texts and modern evidences concerning infiltration of the priesthood. There is no shortage of material, especially with the internet.

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    Catholics are GOING to be victims in this world. The good are always victimized by the wicked. That's what heaven and hell are for -- to balance the scales of justice and make everything right.

    Just remember how Christ conquered all on Good Friday. The ways of God are not the ways of men.

    Even Christ's own apostles didn't understand this, and all but 1 were scandalized when He was taken prisoner. The Jєωs of His time certainly didn't understand.

    Catholics saints of the Middle Ages did understand. Catholics today, less so. Judge a tree by its fruit.

    Would God permit the destruction of the SSPX to be completed and a similar fate for the Resistance? How could He be so cruel? Well, He did give us the Church. And she in her wisdom gave us the Holy Inquisition. And history proves that the Inquisition was critical to the Church's success and its defeat was critical to the success of Church enemies. If we, hanging at the end of our rope after countless surrenders, are still so blinded by the conceit of ourselves more holy than the saints that we pridefully refuse to pick up the sword forged by the Church to fight the very foe now crashing through the last bulwark, do we deserve to be saved?


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    « Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 03:58:00 PM »
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    That's like saying one should never mention "I'm Roman Catholic oh and by the way a Dominican tertiary, or Holy Name Society member, etc. etc."

    I fail to see any problem with his statement.


    There was no need to provide the Jєωsmedia with the clubs with which to beat them up, and marginalize them, by using language which suggests sectarianism or separatism.

    A true Catholic resistance is fighting for the Catholic Church and religion. All secondary and lesser designations are irrelevant, and only serve to diffuse that reality.

    They may be carrying on in the way of the Archbishop but, they are no longer in the compromised SSPX, and should in fact, distance themselves from it.

    Catholics working for the restoration of the Catholic Church is the mission.

    I am a Roman Catholic is enough, in fact it is everything, and all that needs to be imparted.


    I get the point you are trying to make but let's not kid ourselves about not providing the media with clubs to beat over the head.  They don't need clubs because they already have clubs.  There was several derogatory phrases toward Catholics in the opening paragraph.  

    That article was written to mock Catholics and to try to cause a public scandal forcing Pope Francis to take public action.  

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    « Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 04:02:09 PM »
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    Bishop Faure',  "I think we can call ourselves Roman Catholic first, secondly St Pius X, and now ... the Resistance."

    God love him.



    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rogue-catholic-bishops-plan-grow-schismatic-challenge-rome-200456706.html

     


    He should have stopped at Roman Catholic.


    I think he had the grace to know how he should respond. His response is both precise and beautiful and is comforting to those of us who have loved the Society for all these years.

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    « Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 04:03:35 PM »
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    That's like saying one should never mention "I'm Roman Catholic oh and by the way a Dominican tertiary, or Holy Name Society member, etc. etc."

    I fail to see any problem with his statement.


    There was no need to provide the Jєωsmedia with the clubs with which to beat them up, and marginalize them, by using language which suggests sectarianism or separatism.

    A true Catholic resistance is fighting for the Catholic Church and religion. All secondary and lesser designations are irrelevant, and only serve to diffuse that reality.

    They may be carrying on in the way of the Archbishop but, they are no longer in the compromised SSPX, and should in fact, distance themselves from it.

    Catholics working for the restoration of the Catholic Church is the mission.

    I am a Roman Catholic is enough, in fact it is everything, and all that needs to be imparted.


    If people had any idea what it means to be Roman Catholic in truth, this would be enough. Today it is not enough.


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    « Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 04:08:04 PM »
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    It's not that the reporters were given free access to roam around, it was quite the opposite.

    No one can be told that they cannot attend a Mass, as far as I know.  The reporters came and attended the Mass.  Afterwards Bishop Faure agreed to give a 20 minute interview.  That was all.  They asked who would shopw them around and were told "that's it".

    We were kind to them and offered to help them kick rocks...that's about it.

    Don't jump to conclusions about giving reporters free rein in the monastery.  It was quite the opposite.

    Glad to here it! I only meant to send a warning. Sorry if it sounded like an accusation.

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    « Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 04:17:16 PM »
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    Bishop Faure',  "I think we can call ourselves Roman Catholic first, secondly St Pius X, and now ... the Resistance."

    God love him.



    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rogue-catholic-bishops-plan-grow-schismatic-challenge-rome-200456706.html

     


    He should have stopped at Roman Catholic.


    I think he had the grace to know how he should respond. His response is both precise and beautiful and is comforting to those of us who have loved the Society for all these years.


    I understand that it is comforting to those partisans who cling to what was and will not see what is.

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    « Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 04:22:37 PM »
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    That's like saying one should never mention "I'm Roman Catholic oh and by the way a Dominican tertiary, or Holy Name Society member, etc. etc."

    I fail to see any problem with his statement.


    There was no need to provide the Jєωsmedia with the clubs with which to beat them up, and marginalize them, by using language which suggests sectarianism or separatism.

    A true Catholic resistance is fighting for the Catholic Church and religion. All secondary and lesser designations are irrelevant, and only serve to diffuse that reality.

    They may be carrying on in the way of the Archbishop but, they are no longer in the compromised SSPX, and should in fact, distance themselves from it.

    Catholics working for the restoration of the Catholic Church is the mission.

    I am a Roman Catholic is enough, in fact it is everything, and all that needs to be imparted.


    I get the point you are trying to make but let's not kid ourselves about not providing the media with clubs to beat over the head.  They don't need clubs because they already have clubs.  There was several derogatory phrases toward Catholics in the opening paragraph.  

    That article was written to mock Catholics and to try to cause a public scandal forcing Pope Francis to take public action.  


    You do indeed get the point, which is, why make it easier for them to do it?


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    « Reply #26 on: March 31, 2015, 04:28:48 PM »
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    That's like saying one should never mention "I'm Roman Catholic oh and by the way a Dominican tertiary, or Holy Name Society member, etc. etc."

    I fail to see any problem with his statement.


    There was no need to provide the Jєωsmedia with the clubs with which to beat them up, and marginalize them, by using language which suggests sectarianism or separatism.

    A true Catholic resistance is fighting for the Catholic Church and religion. All secondary and lesser designations are irrelevant, and only serve to diffuse that reality.

    They may be carrying on in the way of the Archbishop but, they are no longer in the compromised SSPX, and should in fact, distance themselves from it.

    Catholics working for the restoration of the Catholic Church is the mission.

    I am a Roman Catholic is enough, in fact it is everything, and all that needs to be imparted.


    I get the point you are trying to make but let's not kid ourselves about not providing the media with clubs to beat over the head.  They don't need clubs because they already have clubs.  There was several derogatory phrases toward Catholics in the opening paragraph.  

    That article was written to mock Catholics and to try to cause a public scandal forcing Pope Francis to take public action.  


    You do indeed get the point, which is, why make it easier for them to do it?


    First, they are going to do it anyway.  Look at how they edited his comment about the world plunging into a future world war.

    Second, the media may run with a complete comment if they think it will provoke a reaction in certain circles.  This article was intended to mock but, God willing, some soul out there is going to decide to research the issue for himself (or herself) and this would be the beginning of converting to Traditional Catholicism which should just be Catholicism but we can't really say that with a straight face.

    If the bishops says something, he may get misquoted but he at least has a sporting chance of getting the word out.  If he says nothing, he will be mocked as cowardly or as too stupid to formulate any ideas.  

    If anything, when going into an event where there may be press agents, Traditional clergy (bishops or priests) should have short, pithy but striking comments ready to deliver to the press.

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    « Reply #27 on: March 31, 2015, 04:36:18 PM »
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    So if a pious young man shows up at a trad seminary, he should be thrown in the dungeon and put on the rack a few times, to make sure he's not a Marrano infiltrator?


    You need to read up on history. That is just Black Legend propaganda. However, many of the greatest saints were questioned by the Inquisition and regarded these occasions as spiritually profitable self-examinations and reasonable precaution by a holy and necessary Church institution. All the saints of the Middle Ages approved of the Inquisition and many participated directly. No wise Catholic would wish to be part of a seminary, school, or any other institution not guarded by the Inquisition.


    I've had others on CathInfo promoting "the Inquisition" and simply "Inquisition", but they -- including you -- seem to be couching their language, beating around the bush, and not be entirely clear what they mean.

    If the truth is as you say, then you have a LOT of educating the people to do if you hope to bring about any substantial change in the world. And I'm not just talking about busy laymen, blue collar workers and day laborers. I'm talking even those with some "liberal arts" education (education for the sake of knowledge, rather than just practical knowledge to merely earn a living) under their belts -- seminarians, ex-seminarians, priests, college educated, white-collar workers, etc.

    Virtually no one embraces or understands the "truth" you propose -- so you'd better come up with a good system of educating people about it. That involves being a good teacher, and certainly being OPEN and CLEAR about what you're advocating, and what you're not advocating.

    I've seen way too much coy, almost cagey behavior from "Inquisition fans". That's not going to win any converts to the cause, that's for sure.
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    « Reply #28 on: March 31, 2015, 05:54:26 PM »
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    Bishop Faure',  "I think we can call ourselves Roman Catholic first, secondly St Pius X, and now ... the Resistance."

    God love him.



    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rogue-catholic-bishops-plan-grow-schismatic-challenge-rome-200456706.html

     


    He should have stopped at Roman Catholic.


    I think he had the grace to know how he should respond. His response is both precise and beautiful and is comforting to those of us who have loved the Society for all these years.


    I understand that it is comforting to those partisans who cling to what was and will not see what is.


    This is just as ridiculous as those who accused us early traditionalists of clinging to the "old" Church and not being able to move on. I see just fine what is happening now. Bishops Williamson and Faure both feel as I do and have said so. That is why +Faure has the entwined hearts of Our Lord and Our Lady on his crest.

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    « Reply #29 on: March 31, 2015, 06:05:36 PM »
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    Bishop Faure',  "I think we can call ourselves Roman Catholic first, secondly St Pius X, and now ... the Resistance."

    God love him.



    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rogue-catholic-bishops-plan-grow-schismatic-challenge-rome-200456706.html

     


    He should have stopped at Roman Catholic.


    I think he had the grace to know how he should respond. His response is both precise and beautiful and is comforting to those of us who have loved the Society for all these years.


    I understand that it is comforting to those partisans who cling to what was and will not see what is.


    This is just as ridiculous as those who accused us early traditionalists of clinging to the "old" Church and not being able to move on. I see just fine what is happening now. Bishops Williamson and Faure both feel as I do and have said so. That is why +Faure has the entwined hearts of Our Lord and Our Lady on his crest.


    Well said.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...