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Responsibility Before God for the Things We Write
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2014, 05:24:39 PM »
Quote from: Ambrose
Sean,

JL was banned from this forum.

Was he? I did not know that. Well at least he has his own forum where you can talk to him.

Responsibility Before God for the Things We Write
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2014, 05:29:31 PM »
Quote from: Ambrose
Sean,

JL was banned from this forum.  It was a sad day for me when he was banned.  I think there was a lot of emotion on this forum in those days and many words were said in the heat of the moment.  

By this I am not blaming Matthew, I know that when things are heated in debate, these things happen, but I do hope that he may reconsider the ban.

Whether one agrees with JL or not, he is a man who I greatly admire, who lives his life according to sound Catholic principles and right reason.  JL is one who insists on justice and accuracy in defense of the good name oF others, and this would also include Bishop Fellay.



I didn't know he was banned.

I do not agree with his position, but I do agree with the description you give of him, and he is right to insist on justice and accuracy when the reputations of others are concerned.


Responsibility Before God for the Things We Write
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2014, 05:32:03 PM »
Quote from: BlackIrish
Quote from: SeanJohnson
Quote from: BlackIrish
Quote from: SeanJohnson
If even the moderator condones and participates in this behavior,  exhortations to the contrary are futile.

It is the stated reason why reputable authors like Dr David Allen White, The Recusant,  and John Lane no longer (or only rarely) participate on this forum.

If it continues in this fashion, it will be left with nothing but fanatical rabble,  and the Resistance will be cast in the same light.

You are a good man, Matthew.

I hope you won't sink to their level.

Resistance to a practical accord and virtue are not incompatible.

If resistance becomes synonymous with impulsive venting, what claim to the high road can we make?



"Dear Matthew,

The current overseers of the SSPX have more in common
with Stalin than Archbishop Lefebvre
. Pray your rosary
and ignore these lunatics. The Blessed Mother will
not abandon you and yours.

Continue your good work and may God bless you.

You are being persecuted with the good Bishop and
persecution is the fifth mark of the Church.

David Allen White"



Selective memory, you have there!


I would suggest to you that, the post you cite, following shortly upon the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, was uncharacteristic of Dr. White, whose (very) short posting history also includes this nugget:

"I recommend a year's research and a grand silence before all future posts on every subject."

Sage advice.

I had also intended to provide a PM he sent me (presuming he would not mind) in which he expressed his aversion to forums because everything descends into fighting, but alas the PM is no longer in my box.

With regard to The Recusant, the lastest edition (p. 2) includes a statement of aversion to internet forums, and Cathinfo is not among it's list of recommended websites.

And of course, John Lane has not returned since the days when he was roughly handled and accused of wild ulterior motives for seeming to defend Bishop Fellay against unfounded accusations (for which I myself also had some culpability back in the days of posting as Seraphim).

But the point of mentioning all this is not to criticize Cathinfo, but to attempt, at least, to keep a Catholic spirit in the tenor of the posting done here, and recall to posters that Catholic norms must be obeyed where reputations are concerned.  

Otherwise, men of virtue and righteousness will be repulsed, and we will lose the benefit of their contributions.



So, you're saying that Catholic norms are relative and situational?  The degree of culpability for calling one a lunatic on one day is less or more than on another day, and dependent on the circuмstances!


I am saying that Dr. White would likely be the first to tell you himself that he was wrong to use an ad hominem.


Responsibility Before God for the Things We Write
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2014, 05:40:36 PM »
Quote from: Nobody
A great ship went down, many people end up in the water, two lucky ones found a dingy each.

Mr Dingy 1 shouts to the others in the water : you idiots are wrong to be in the water, I am right to be in the dingy, get lost !

Mr Dingy 2 reaches out to them : you better get out of the water and get into my dingy, it'll be better for you.

Mr Dingy 2 has charity. Mr Dingy 1 has not.

Does that make Mr Dingy 2 a 'woman', a wimp, unable to think, acting on feelings only, weak, coward, useless in a fight ?

Charity covers a multitude of sins and pride comes before the fall.



Quite the analogy, but okay, I'll bit . . . like the shark that you think I am!

Mr. Dingy 2 would be a 'woman', a wimp, unable to think, acting on feelings only, weak, coward, useless in a fight, if, after he said:
"you better get out of the water and get into my dingy, it'll be better for you" HE THEN SAYS: "I retract my opinions." And, on more than one occasion, while watching the others drown as he continues to fret and bite his nails.

But, you know, Mr. Nobody, you are being uncharitable to the core, because you harp on these things. Others, like myself, just throw it out there and hope/pray that the words nudge someone to rethink their sloppy thinking!

Responsibility Before God for the Things We Write
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2014, 05:47:01 PM »
Quote from: BlackIrish
Quote from: Nobody
A great ship went down, many people end up in the water, two lucky ones found a dingy each.

Mr Dingy 1 shouts to the others in the water : you idiots are wrong to be in the water, I am right to be in the dingy, get lost !

Mr Dingy 2 reaches out to them : you better get out of the water and get into my dingy, it'll be better for you.

Mr Dingy 2 has charity. Mr Dingy 1 has not.

Does that make Mr Dingy 2 a 'woman', a wimp, unable to think, acting on feelings only, weak, coward, useless in a fight ?

Charity covers a multitude of sins and pride comes before the fall.



Quite the analogy, but okay, I'll bit . . . like the shark that you think I am!

Mr. Dingy 2 would be a 'woman', a wimp, unable to think, acting on feelings only, weak, coward, useless in a fight, if, after he said:
"you better get out of the water and get into my dingy, it'll be better for you" HE THEN SAYS: "I retract my opinions." And, on more than one occasion, while watching the others drown as he continues to fret and bite his nails.

But, you know, Mr. Nobody, you are being uncharitable to the core, because you harp on these things. Others, like myself, just throw it out there and hope/pray that the words nudge someone to rethink their sloppy thinking!



II Timothy 4:2 : "Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine."

I Corinthians 13:1-4 : "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely, is not puffed up,.."


I guess the author of these verses was 'harping' too, and forgot to 'throw it out there' like you do.

I Corinthians 10:12 : "Wherefore, he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall."