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Response to an SSPX Priest - by Sean Johnson
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2015, 04:57:25 AM »
Pray. Pray that those with the grace of state reject and condemn the poison at every turn, without compromise. Something the SSPX no longer does

Response to an SSPX Priest - by Sean Johnson
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2015, 05:24:43 AM »
Ten years ago our SSPX priest led a Eucharistic Procession to the steps of the local Novus Ordo parish.  There we had Benediction in reperation for the many sins and blasphemy s against Our Lord.  (Communion in the hand, Eucharistic Ministers, slovenly dressed parishioners...). What an example for my children!  What a stand for the rights of Our Lord!  Now what do you hear from the SSPX in reparation?....CRICKETS!

Henry, if there is more poison in the soup than ever, why does +Fellay now say it is okay to eat?  He now says Religious Liberty is very limited, and the New Mass is legitimate.  He says that SSPX must not act as bulldozers.  When the guard dog, the very dog who is responsible to serve, protect and defend Christ the King stops barking, it is useless.  

Why has +Fellay reduced the once barking SSPX into a whimpering puppy?


Response to an SSPX Priest - by Sean Johnson
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2015, 06:03:35 AM »
Henry, if there is more poison than ever, why does +Fellay now say it's okay to sip the poisoned soup? why do so many SSPX priests follow along?

Response to an SSPX Priest - by Sean Johnson
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2015, 07:26:46 AM »
Quote from: claudel

Put otherwise, what Archbishop Lefebvre might well have said—had he not been disinclined, both by nature and by long experience, to treat his interlocutors as simpletons—was that any such blank-check offer from Rome as the hypothetical one (a hypothesis that is being flogged with a vigor better applied to an object that can yield something more than howls of pain) would constitute prima facie evidence of a "sufficient conversion" of conciliar Rome to the True Faith. Hence, it would be just the sort of situation where a no-compromise resolve, even were it to be as strong as case-hardened steel, would have to yield, because the conditions under which the resolve had been formed no longer applied.


Yes, ABL makes it clear that receiving a bum deal from Rome was a sign that he could not trust them or deal with them. Until their conversion they would continually try to paralyze the Society. So in effect a "sweetie pie deal" could be a sign in and of itself of Rome's conversion, or at least a significant turn in the tide, and thus would be worthy of consideration.  

It could be argued that +Fellay is simply doing the same thing. "He will not make a bad deal". IOW if he receives a sweetie pie deal he will take that as a sign of Rome's sufficient conversion. However, he has obliterated any hope of using the example with all of the internal shifts he has already made to be more appealing to Rome and the NO public. Between GREC and the many concessions already made which are crystalized in the PC image he is branding for the Society, he could never hope to argue that he holds the same take-us-as-we-are-and-we-will-know-you-have-returned-to-Tradition ground as ABL. Where ABL realized he had to stand two feet away from the precipice (the TRUE definition of prudence, I might add), +Fellay is desperately hanging over it, blowing in the wind and angling to meet them halfway as if somehow that will bring them to his side. It inspires no confidence whatsoever in his judgment and it shows that he doesn't understand (or perhaps rejects) why the Society MUST stand strong in the first place.  


 

Response to an SSPX Priest - by Sean Johnson
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2015, 11:59:39 AM »
Quote from: Henry4
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: Henry4

A final note, Mr. Johnston writes “Rome will have returned to tradition sufficiently”. This implies a complete conversion is not required for an agreement, only a ‘sufficient’ conversion is required. How is this to be measured?


Well, to begin with they could stop participating in pro-homo events and fumigate the 'lavender mafia'. That would be an impressive starting point, I think.

Do you actually believe there has been any improvement in Rome since ABL made their conversion a necessary condition of rapprochement?


Has there been a time in the history of the Church where there has been no scandal? I came across a quote from Bp. Williamson which I think apt: "If, by some miracle, Pope Francis rang me up next week and said: “Your Excellency, you and I have had our divergences, but right now I am authorizing you to found a society. You go right ahead for the good of the Church." "Holy Father, can I have that in writing? Do you mind if I come to Rome and get that with your signature?" "Yes, of course." "Allright, then I’d be on the next plane to Rome. I’d be on the next plane to Rome!"

So if Bp. Williamson is still willing to deal with Pope Francis, that's fine by me too.


I think you are being purposely disingenuous here. As ABL before him, +W was obviously making the point ad absurdum.

It's akin to my stating that should some handsome billionaire declare his undying love for me, I would acquiesce to the marriage. The odds of either happening in reality are ludicrous.