Author Topic: NEW: MARCEL LEFEBVRE SITE (Read 5411 times)

wallflower · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2015, 09:37:03 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Ladislaus
Do they have any of his quotes on there that would make an impending reconciliation "uncomfortable"?

I'm guessing that those are conveniently ignored.

I don't see anything like that on the site.

So it's been sanitized then. Perhaps it even slants towards an impending reconciliation. Interesting that they put this site up now.

I thought so too. I wonder if there is an expectation that a lot of people will be looking him up sometime soon. I wish I didn't have to be critical and could just be innocently happy for the website. But the past few years have taught me that certain leaders are nothing if they aren't strategic and planning many steps ahead. Normally that's a good quality in leadership but not when it's used against their own.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2015, 09:37:28 AM »

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Sedevacantists ought to be complaining about how there is a great vacuum on this website of any mention of the change in 1968 and '69 of the form for episcopal consecration and sacerdotal ordination, followed by the change in form for Confirmation.

There is mention in several places of Lefebvre providing confirmations in various places against the will of the local ordinary, but it doesn't say anything, as far as I can find, about how the form of Lefebvre's sacrament was different from the Novus Ordo form. Nor is there any mention, as far as I have found, that Lefebvre's ordination form retained the traditional form, or in 1988, his consecration of the 4 bishops used the traditional form 20 years after Novus Ordo consecrations had abandoned it.

I haven't seen anything about conditional re-ordination of priests who came into the Society from the Novus Ordo, either.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2015, 09:48:07 AM »

I didn't notice this at first, but now, I see they have portrayed the Consecrations of '88 to have been the result of a failure of ABL to achieve reconciliation with Rome:

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Ladislaus
Do they have any of his quotes on there that would make an impending reconciliation "uncomfortable"?

I'm guessing that those are conveniently ignored.

I don't see anything like that on the site.

The tabs "biography > last years" is a page that ends like this:

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Age did not slow him down

The archbishop traveled throughout the world to preach the pure Faith in its fullness, to support families and to encourage the laity. He also conferred the sacrament of confirmation, despite the frequent displeasure of the local bishops.

In 1982, at the age of 77, he resigned from his position as Superior General of the Society and left the government thereof to his successor, Fr. Franz Schmidberger. For a long time he hoped that one bishop or another would take care of the confirmations and especially the priestly ordinations after he was gone, or more reliably, that Rome would once again recognize the Society of St. Pius X by giving it a modified canonical status: sufficient freedom of action in relation to the dioceses, and the grant of at least one bishop, a member of the Society, to confer holy orders.

But his efforts along these lines with the Roman authorities failed in May 1988. Given his advanced age, and not wishing to leave hundreds of seminarians and thousands of lay faithful orphans, he had no alternative but to consecrate four bishops himself, despite the opposition of Pope John Paul II. On June 30, 1988, in Econe, with Bishop de Castro Mayer, he consecrated his successors in the episcopacy.

“Operation Survival"

In agreeing to incur unjustly the penalty of excommunication, he deemed that the situation of necessity of the faithful, caused by the modernism of the highest-ranking ecclesial authorities, justified his act, which he called “Operation Survival”.

With complete peace of mind and soul he passed away on March 25, 1991.

So it seems they abbreviate the topic so as to avoid the theme of regularization.

I get a sense of Masonic structure here, a kind of "Let's wrap up his life like a Museum exhibit, to display for curious visitors, while keeping it all in a past tense mode, where his life is a relic of a long lost era. People can see where the Society came from, but that was then and this is now, a complete separation from the past."

I have read that there were no museums before the French Revolution. There were libraries but no museums. The latter were set up by Freemasons to give a vent to popular demand for remembering the age gone by, to satisfy sentimentalism over things of the past, even if they're no longer relevant to the modern age. It also gave an element of credibility to historical displays and those of natural history that might be nothing more than fanciful constructs of the imagination based on nothing factual at all, such as displays featuring biological evolution do. Political history can be reconstructed like they do in communist countries (re-writing history) and scientism can be be promoted as the new god that overshadows Biblical testimony.

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covet truth · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2015, 10:30:52 AM »

When I became aware of the new website all I could think was this is going to be the "New and Improved" image of the Archbishop as it relates to the "New and Improved" image of the SSPX. It is a marketing tool used to appeal to the masses. To me it is a travesty concocted not to honor the memory of the Founder, but to enhance the new direction of his Society toward the reconciliation.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2015, 11:13:26 AM »

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They have a "romanitas" tab with the subheadings "son of Rome", "servant of Rome" and "true obedience". I actually wasn't expecting them to be so blatant about it. What an embarrassment.

On the link below, if you click the picture of +Fellay with Fr. Franz Schmidberger at the right of ABL, you can see the video. Take a look at the very end (2:51 min.) Fr. Franz Schmidberger is looking at +Fellay being consecrated. The look has bothered me for many years. Now, listening to +Faure, I understand why. It also bothered me because of an account by Fr. Basilio Meramo shorty after being expelled from the SSPX.

http://www.marcellefebvre.info/en/content/8124

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2015, 11:47:36 AM »

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...an account by Fr. Basilio Meramo shorty after being expelled from the SSPX.

What I heard from Fr. B. Meramo is from memory. It was in Spanish (in writing) and after he wrote against Summorum Pontificuм and later opposed the talks with Rome and was expelled by +Fellay in 2009(?)

Fr. Meramo said that when Fr. Fellay was told he was chosen as a candidate, he was very hesitant (or uncomfortable). Then, Fr. Franz Schmidberger pulled him behind closed doors for about 45 minutes. No one heard what was said, but when Fr. Fellay came out, he accepted and was at peace.

Perhaps +Williamson or +Faure who surely must have been present may want to confirm this happened?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2015, 12:02:34 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

The look has bothered me for many years. Now, listening to +Faure, I understand why. It also bothered me because of an account by Fr. Basilio Meramo shorty after being expelled from the SSPX.

Fr. Schmidberger always looks like that -- LOL.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #22 on:** December 02, 2015, 12:41:43 PM »

Maybe now I know why?

Fr. Meramo didn't trust him and now + Faure and ABL seem to have distrusted him since before the Episcopal consecrations. Let's watch and see...

reconquest · « **Reply #23 on:** December 02, 2015, 05:26:32 PM »

The Swiss exorcisms denounced Fr. Schmidberger as a Freemason (and as the primary subversive influence in the SSPX) as far back as 1986. Here is an excerpt from an exorcism performed May 13, 1988:

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The bishops whom Archbishop Lefebvre will consecrate in June, Schmidberger and those of Rome are trying to make sure that they will be just like them, Freemasons who will undermine the Church. And Archbishop Lefebvre would give his approval to this dirty game! It is the worst thing that could happen of all that has happened so far. He was not careful enough; he did not listen to the privileged souls enough and also did not listen to these declarations enough. Yes, sometimes he was in doubt and had the impression that something was not going right. But he listened to Schmidberger and the like with all his ears. Schmidberger should instead be named "Shlauberger*", for this sly fox has succeeded in winning many over to himself. Right now he is undermining and ruining Ecône like nobody else at Ecône.

*"Shlau" is German for "sly".

JPaul · « **Reply #24 on:** December 02, 2015, 06:58:44 PM »

This site, in a word, propaganda.

Ekim · « **Reply #25 on:** December 04, 2015, 06:43:27 AM »

Reconquest, never heard of the "Swiss Exorcism's" can you elaborate? How can I search for more info on these events? Thanks

rlee · « **Reply #26 on:** December 04, 2015, 04:26:20 PM »

"And in fact, one can make Archbishop Lefebvre say whatever one wants."
quoted from: http://www.dici.org/en/docuмents/bishop-fellay-the-church-and-the-society-of-st-pius-x-news/

So, maybe this is an effort to make him say what is wanted now. This preposterous idea that the Founder's speech is so pliable is nothing more than a Modernist one.