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I have paused all activity on this forum.

 The reasons for this are :

 1. I believe it is time for our bishops to speak, preferably loud but at least clear, and if we are all very quiet then maybe we can hear their voice. Unless and until they do so, this forum will remain silent.

 2. If or when our bishops find their voice, I believe it will be time for the laity to start participating in the building up of the Catholic Resistance. There are plenty of ways in which everyone can help, if only they make the effort.

 3. In the current state, this forum seems to have outlived it's usefulness. Unless the previous two points will trigger the unexpected, I will pull the plug and move on.

 Samuel

[Meg]

I assume that Samuel wants the Resistance bishops to speak out more strongly against the SSPX reconciliation with Rome, but I don't know that for sure, of course, since it's not mentioned in the above communication. I can't think of anything else that he would want the bishops to speak out about.

Moderating the forum probably takes a lot of time. I'm sorry to see that it's paused.

[Matthew]

I will chime in a few points:

1. I have nothing against ABLF3 or Samuel its owner/moderator.  I regularly participate in email exchanges with him, Sean Johnson, and others.

2. It's true that with 108 members, ABLF3 would be considered a "micro forum", but that's just a generic description, not intended as an insult.

3. Note that the ENTIRE site has been paused (resources, articles, forum, etc.) and not just the discussion forum.

4. Having said point #1, I completely disagree with Samuel on his recent action.

5. Also with all due respect to Samuel, I must point out that CathInfo's philosophy is closer to that of the United States Postal Service: "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds."

To apply this motto more specifically to CathInfo, "Neither SSPX propaganda, nor persecution, nor lawsuits, nor threats, nor intimidation, nor politics, nor outbursts of anger followed by penitence, nor boredom, frustration or any other emotion, nor Denial-Of-Service attacks, nor technical or financial difficulties, nor obsolete software, nor personal life changes, shall shut down or cause posts to be lost on this important Traditional Catholic discussion forum." and CathInfo has lived up to this promise for close to 11 years.

6. Which of these things "got" Samuel and his ABLF3 forum? I guess "politics" and/or "boredom/tedium/frustration".

[Matto]

Forums named after Archbishop Lefebvre don't seem to last long. There is still one left that I know of, ABL 2.1. Are there any more forums named after Archbishop Lefebvre that I am not aware of?

[Matthew]

Forums named after Archbishop Lefebvre don't seem to last long. There is still one left that I know of, ABL 2.1. Are there any more forums named after Archbishop Lefebvre that I am not aware of?

No, not that I know of.

ABL 2.1 is totally worthless. Besides being super tiny with no traffic, the miniscule traffic they receive is from Suzanne Romano who only posts sermons and articles from Bishop Sanborn and other sedevacantists, plus about 6 other members overflowing with frustration and bitter zeal. If anything, the forum has been reduced to the personal soapbox of Suzanne Romano, who no longer supports any recognize-and-resist groups but instead has moved on to Sedevacantism.

She is certainly the only strong, loud voice on that forum at the moment. The other 6 people are largely her cheerleader squad.

How do they get away with calling a forum "Archbishop Lefebvre" anything when most members there aren't part of the Resistance, and in fact they are most aligned with the SSPV or CMRI position? I am not exaggerating when I say that the handful of members visiting that forum are disillusioned with the SSPX as well the ENTIRE Resistance (both mainstream, and the Pfeiffer cult which claims to be Resistance).

In other words, they have zero reason to associate themselves with Archbishop Lefebvre.

Becoming a sedevacantist is fine and dandy, but don't call your forum "Archbishop Lefebvre". It's a fact of history that +ABL was not a sedevacantist. The SSPV caused him great pain as they stole many of his chapels in the United States. And he never supported the CMRI or Sedevacantism.

[Matto]

Yes, from what I have read on ABL 2.1 lately, it seems in general they do not seem to trust Bishop Williamson or Father Pfeiffer. But I have not been following that forum closely lately. 

[Matthew]

Yes, from what I have read on ABL 2.1 lately, it seems in general they do not seem to trust Bishop Williamson or Father Pfeiffer. But I have not been following that forum closely lately.

You and everybody else! There's nothing there of value. If you want sedevacantist-leaning sermons and articles, there are far superior places online to find them.

[Matto]

Any I was a member at ABL 3. But I only made a few dozen posts there unlike here where I post all the time. I thought it was a good forum, except for the fact that there were so few members and so few posts. I even put a link to it on my blog.

[BumphreyHogart]

In other words, they have zero reason to associate themselves with Archbishop Lefebvre.

Becoming a sedevacantist is fine and dandy, but don't call your forum "Archbishop Lefebvre". It's a fact of history that +ABL was not a sedevacantist. The SSPV caused him great pain as they stole many of his chapels in the United States. And he never supported the CMRI or Sedevacantism.

It's hard to believe this mentality persists after so many years!

Archbishop Lefebvre most clearly professed that sedevacantism was valid in principle, and even said that he was coming close to considering that it applied.

His 1986 speech to Ridgefield seminarians (published in the Angelus) showed that he he had a soft spot in his heart for the sedevacantists as he explicitly mentioned them and said he was coming close to declaring JP2 a false pope.

As well, he even expressed that there was some anti-sede hostility in the SSPX among his clergy that he did not agree with.

After he died, that hostility in the SSPX for sedevacantism became the actual policy, even to the point of making SV's look schismatic and mentally defective as articles on the SSPX website said.

In view of this, it is quite apropos for sedevacantists to name their forum after him, since Lefebvre was NOT hostile to sedevacantism, but favored it in principle. He just couldn't personally consider manifest heresy to be certain.

[Matthew]

Sean Johnson has also shut his blog down.

[Matto]

Well they seem to be saying it is time for the laymen to stop commenting and for the Bishops to make their voices heard. I hope that means we will hear a lot from Father Zendejas when he becomes a Bishop. I read his Blue Paper blog but he hasn't posted on it in almost a year. I think it would be great if he started posting on his blog again or if he had a letter for his supporters like Bishop Williamson does, or maybe have sermons and conferences put on the internet like Father's Pfeiffer and Hewko do.

[Wessex]

ABL personified the disunity that was/is the remnant. The Society's turbulence was partly due to his mercurial nature as well as competing trad influences and the demands of benefactors. I still cannot get to the bottom of the Rothschild connection! So, it is very unwise to rely too much on any leader because this will one day lead to disappointment.

Being open to ideas from many sources seems to be the best option at present. And I have a feeling that this is the position of so many outside the mainstream. They certainly have the freedom to shop around and become more than just passive followers of any one priest or bishop. While Rome is sinking into the abyss she created, we do have a opportunity to revive the faith and draw on the best from a variety of positions once we slip those debilitating Roman shackles! 

[JPaul]

ABL personified the disunity that was/is the remnant. The Society's turbulence was partly due to his mercurial nature as well as competing trad influences and the demands of benefactors. I still cannot get to the bottom of the Rothschild connection! So, it is very unwise to rely too much on any leader because this will one day lead to disappointment.

Being open to ideas from many sources seems to be the best option at present. And I have a feeling that this is the position of so many outside the mainstream. They certainly have the freedom to shop around and become more than just passive followers of any one priest or bishop. While Rome is sinking into the abyss she created, we do have a opportunity to revive the faith and draw on the best from a variety of positions once we slip those debilitating Roman shackles!

Such forums, it would seem, are running out of things to say. Rome has gone into open heretical activity and teaching. Its apostasy is undeniable. A deceased archbishop's caveats and uncertainties about a long past status of the Revolution are no longer relevant or workable.
Bishops who are beholden to his legacy have not much more to say lest they step outside of his shadow. At which point they would have to formulate a position that comports with the realities of today.
There has never been a solid spirit of Catholic action within these groups, and much to the contrary, they have reserved themselves to acting as sacramental functionaries. People are looking for leaders which simply do not exist.
Rome is overrun with heresy, apostasy, and Nancy boys. Freemasonic and Jєωιѕн ideas and influence abound in the Vatican and from the pope. It daily becomes harder to remain Catholic and see this as the visible Catholic Church in the world, when there is nothing Catholic about it, save some window dressing, the buildings, and a few people struggling to hold on to their Faith.

Consciences and souls, and in turn physical bodies are looking for some means to help the Church, but no direction or suggestions are forthcoming. The clergy of our times are not up to the task of counter revolution.

Perhaps you are right and we should just let them carry on in their functionary capacity and look to ourselves for the answers to the Remnant's survival?  The Christian life is not meant to be one of being victimized without recourse to active resistance to the enemies of the Religion.

I think that this suspended forum may wait a very long time to hear what they are hoping to hear, if ever

[Matthew]

Bishop Fellay says +ABL's position is obsolete; it's time to head LEFT and become the FSSP part 2.
JPaul says +ABL's position is obsolete; it's time to head RIGHT and become sedevacantists.

I say there's nothing wrong with +ABL's position. It doesn't have an expiration date. Numbers mean nothing; truth is all that matters. I say we STAY THE COURSE and not lose heart. There is no reason to deviate to the right hand OR to the left.

[Meg]

While Rome is sinking into the abyss she created, we do have a opportunity to revive the faith and draw on the best from a variety of positions once we slip those debilitating Roman shackles!

What "debilitating Roman shackles" are you referring to, exactly, and why should they be "slipped?"