I'm not that surprised. I can see the logic, sorta.

So, the Society is tending towards NO anyway.

At least with the conciliar newchurch, you *know* what you're getting, i.e. they don't hide their tendencies.

I think some people would rather just know for certain what someone's motives are, even if theyre not the authentic faith, at least you know what youre getting.

Conciliarism, but you know what to expect.

Know what I mean?

No, you do not go to the 'indult', you may as well throw the towel in, and submit to the NO, but explain, you 'prefer' bells and smells,  and to wallflower, we are and should be outraged by the insipidness of priests who brought us thus far, in the fight against the NO, only to abandon us when the going got really 'too tough' for them to move from the cocoon that the sspx has become, they know they have let us and our families down... do they care.... probably... but not enough.

I *do* agree, but I also understand how people can get tired of a fight they feel is being lost. Every soldier has a crisis of morale. Many loyal Society families drove distances to get to society masses, donated lots of money, all to get kicked in the teeth when ABL's own Society started to get in bed with Rome.

Many feel so betrayed, they just cannot take that chance again, like heartbreak almost. They don't want to get their hopes up again only to have them dashed by betrayal.

I didn't say you had to agree, just don't be flippant. A great deal of people are still getting over all this.

Many don't see any options either. A lot of people aren't going to trust the Society or a Resistance proceeding from the Society after this. They'll wonder, and I have said this in another thread, if the Resistance is sufficiently successful, it too will be subject to the same infiltration, no?

No discussion has been had about how to structure the Resistance in light of this concern, some bylaws or structure that will prevent future sellouts. Everyone is focused on setting up Mass centres and getting a priest to visit.

Lastly, scream at people if you will, but many are never going to go CMRI either. Thuc-line is a non-starter for some. It just is.

So, theyre left with the CMRI, or Independent or Resistance chapel they *don't* know, or the enemy they *do* know. Some have chosen indults (if you want to call them Indults even though they no longer require an indult)

People are leaving the SSPX not only for their liberal stance but more for their cultish behavior.
Parishioners who have been going to SSPX chapels for years are now seeing that the "emperor has no clothes" and are finally realizing that although the SSPX played a big role in preserving tradition in the church in the past, their mission has come to an end. Sadly, the SSPX has now turned into modern day Pharisees who are no longer interested in saving all souls but rather to build "a master race" of perfect, cultlike clones who never question.

This behavior is subdued in many of the smaller SSPX parishes around the country so it often goes undetected but if you ever decide to move to a larger parish such as Phoenix, Saint Marys or Post Falls, you will see what they are trying to do on a grand scale and it will naturally drive you away if you're not too brain washed already.

It has come to the point in time where no place is perfect nor will be perfect until God chooses to end the current crisis in the church. In the mean time, Catholics who care must find places where the true sacraments exist and that does include the FSSP and even the indult in some cases.

God Bless You,

Bart

Interesting.

The FSSP is growing here in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  A lot of families keep finding their way here.  I look forward to the pontifical Mass that'll be held by Bishop Slattery on October 13th.  

I don't necessarily agree with going to the 'indult' but if the sspx is the same so far as mental attachment to new mass and Vatican ii, I can understand why many are doing so.  Why drive for hours, family in tow, when same can be had a quarter hour or even walking distance away?  Especially when a family of children's souls is in need of being raised Catholic, and parents know that "home-alone" is un-do-able.  Normally,  Catholic parents aren't expected to bring up and educate their children to be Catholic in complete isolation from Holy Mother Church.  But the times in which we live are abnormal without precedent.  If nothing else is available, the indult may be the best choice of several evils.

The Society needs to get +Williamson back no matter what it takes (beg, grovel.. kidnap); and act like they're actually resisting the Modernists and not courting them. You know: grow a set. Until then, at least the FSSP are resisting from within and can't of themselves just kick Bishops out. That's embarrassing. Not even the conciliarists do that!

Like the Institute of Christ the King, the FSSP are a controlled opposition. It's a bit like conservative Catholic and Zionist, David Quinn writing in the 'Irish Independent' newspaper. The appearance is given of a "conservative voice" when in reality there is no threat at all.

Bishop Williamson, the one chosen by Archbishop Lefebvre has never left the SSPX. It is Bishop Fellay and his gang of liberals, who have betrayed the Archbishop and seek a new direction.  

They do not wish to resist the Modernists and other enemies of God. As a Society priest stated the 'expulsion' of Bishop Williamson facilitates a deal. For years they plotted and planned to get rid of Bishop Williamson.

The Society needs to get +Williamson back no matter what it takes (beg, grovel.. kidnap); and act like they're actually resisting the Modernists and not courting them. You know: grow a set. Until then, at least the FSSP are resisting from within and can't of themselves just kick Bishops out. That's embarrassing. Not even the conciliarists do that!

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Yes, that is, if he will come back!  Doubtful!  How can H.E. be expected to trust Bp. Fellay and company?

wallflower,

Yes, this attitude is sad. People just making serious statements about priests without any regard of the seriousness and how they will have to answer seriously before God for it.

Call the Bishop of Boise and ask why Dr. Ripperger was transferred and ask why he was kicked out of the FSSP.

I stand by my statement.