Author Topic: Resistance Support Group (Read 4296 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **on:** March 25, 2013, 11:55:07 PM »

Anyone interested may PM me for details regarding a plan someone has come up with for a "Resistance support group".

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** March 26, 2013, 12:09:23 AM »

What's that, a group for those dealing with addiction to promoting the Resistance?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** March 26, 2013, 03:24:43 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

What's that, a group for those dealing with addiction to promoting the Resistance?

It sounds like someone wants to share their feelings about someone they know
who supports the Resistance.

It would perhaps be more useful for family members who are not supporters,
like a place where they can share common experiences living with someone
who gets irritated when another SSPX priest or bishop gets expelled.

You guys who are married to someone who is also a supporter don't know how
good you have it. You guys who have children who respect your concerns and
are traditional Catholics who enjoy the sermons of Fr. Hewko and Fr. Pfeiffer
don't know how good you have it. You guys who have family members who are
aware that the EXCLUSION of +Williamson was a travesty don't know how good
you have it.

I printed out 20 copies of Williamson's response "On an Exclusion" from last
October and passed it around. I told them "This is the Magna Carta of the
Resistance" and they had nothing to say. There were no requests for
duplicates. I still have 3 copies left over. I gave one to a friend yesterday and
he had nothing to say about it. He had much more important 'literature' for me,
stuff from the 1950's, about why there can be no more popes, and that the end
of the world is right around the corner.

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2013, 09:57:08 AM »

I have given up circulating material for the resistance. At this stage people should be clear and well aware, and for a deal or against.

I was speaking to a friend at the recent rosary vigil in Dublin and SSPX folk I recognised and knew had gone before we had a chance to speak. Some I didn't know so was hardly going to get annoyed if they are for an agreement or not. Folk, who attend the Society do their own thing. A mixed group of people.

Bishop Williamson had to go. It was a travesty for certain but necessary. Bishop Fellay, Krah, Menzingen don't need Bishop Williamson, Fr Pfeiffer etc etc.

Personally, whilst many oppose a deal, they will remain with the SSPX regardless.

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2013, 10:38:57 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

I have given up circulating material for the resistance. At this stage people should be clear and well aware, and for a deal or against.

Personally, whilst many oppose a deal, they will remain with the SSPX regardless.

No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2013, 11:36:56 AM »

Quote from: Mea Culpa

Quote from: John Grace
I have given up circulating material for the resistance. At this stage people should be clear and well aware, and for a deal or against.

Personally, whilst many oppose a deal, they will remain with the SSPX regardless.

No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24

Apart from praying for them and smiling at them, there is little more you can do for those, who are pro-agreement. There is necessary work to be done and time should not be wasted on bickering. Most priests and laity are against an agreement.

The resistance is not going to disappear just because a few bureaucratic liberals want a deal with Rome.

It does not sound charitable but it is good riddance to bad rubbish for those who want an agreement.

Already a solid resistance has built up around the world.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2013, 11:54:16 AM »

Quote from: Mea Culpa

Quote from: John Grace
I have given up circulating material for the resistance. At this stage people should be clear and well aware, and for a deal or against.

Personally, whilst many oppose a deal, they will remain with the SSPX regardless.

No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24

Attending a sspx chapel does not mean one is subservient to the leadersip or position of the sspx. Just look at sedes who attend the sspx and don't hold the r&r position and may even find it schismatic.

From phone

Frances · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2013, 08:07:02 PM »

Keep in mind many, many have no alternative to the SSPX. Conditions vary greatly from chàpel to chapel. As one who travels a lot I've been to a chapel where the elderly SSPX helper priest did not own a computer and had never even used one. Located in an isolated rural area, there were 11 people at Sunday Mass. Most were 60+ years of age. This was in August of 2012. The opposite occured when I intended to hear a weekday Mass at a large chapel. I received two emails telling me I could hear Mass, but would not be given Communion because of my association with a well known priest of the Resistance. Since I was merely "passing through" I decided not to bother. At the chapel I attend MOST of the time, the priest knows of my "connections," all of which date from a decade ago. He knows my stand on doctrine. He knows the exact points at which I will be forced to leave. He knows that I won't slip away in silence. Thus far, he has taken no action. Many are like me, keeping their eyes and ears open while working "behind the scenery" to try and provide an alternative for their families for the day of need. I agree with the writer who has ceased to distribute literature, or actively campaign. The large majority of SSPXers know where and how to inform themselves. If a person chooses to stick his head in the sand, there is nothing to be done for him.
The Holy Ghost does the conversion that no man can do. At this time, conditions are not so dire as to warrant foregoing Mass and the Sacraments to sit alone in the park with a missal and Rosary. I've faith that when the time comes, the necessary grace will be provided.

s2srea · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2013, 08:26:51 PM »

With all due respect, I thought CI was the ipso facto Resistance support group... What would said group accomplish that is not accomplished here.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2013, 08:58:02 PM »

Quote from: Frances

Keep in mind many, many have no alternative to the SSPX. Conditions vary greatly from chàpel to chapel. As one who travels a lot I've been to a chapel where the elderly SSPX helper priest did not own a computer and had never even used one. Located in an isolated rural area, there were 11 people at Sunday Mass. Most were 60+ years of age. This was in August of 2012. The opposite occured when I intended to hear a weekday Mass at a large chapel. I received two emails telling me I could hear Mass, but would not be given Communion because of my association with a well known priest of the Resistance. Since I was merely "passing through" I decided not to bother. At the chapel I attend MOST of the time, the priest knows of my "connections," all of which date from a decade ago. He knows my stand on doctrine. He knows the exact points at which I will be forced to leave. He knows that I won't slip away in silence. Thus far, he has taken no action. Many are like me, keeping their eyes and ears open while working "behind the scenery" to try and provide an alternative for their families for the day of need. I agree with the writer who has ceased to distribute literature, or actively campaign. The large majority of SSPXers know where and how to inform themselves. If a person chooses to stick his head in the sand, there is nothing to be done for him.
The Holy Ghost does the conversion that no man can do. At this time, conditions are not so dire as to warrant foregoing Mass and the Sacraments to sit alone in the park with a missal and Rosary. I've faith that when the time comes, the necessary grace will be provided.

So we've had ANOTHER priest refusing communion for the "sin" of supporting the Resistance?

Again, I have to ask: what is the sin? Schism with the Catholic Church (I mean the SSPX) and the Holy Father (I mean Bishop Fellay)?

I know, I know... opposing the Superior General of a pious union, a bishop with no jurisdiction, constitutes schism :rolleyes:

I think these priests need to go back to the seminary and review the conditions necessary for refusing Holy Communion. They are so caught up in their cult, they are forgetting their duty as priests.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2013, 09:38:11 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Frances
Keep in mind many, many have no alternative to the SSPX. Conditions vary greatly from chàpel to chapel. As one who travels a lot I've been to a chapel where the elderly SSPX helper priest did not own a computer and had never even used one. Located in an isolated rural area, there were 11 people at Sunday Mass. Most were 60+ years of age. This was in August of 2012. The opposite occured when I intended to hear a weekday Mass at a large chapel. I received two emails telling me I could hear Mass, but would not be given Communion because of my association with a well known priest of the Resistance. Since I was merely "passing through" I decided not to bother. At the chapel I attend MOST of the time, the priest knows of my "connections," all of which date from a decade ago. He knows my stand on doctrine. He knows the exact points at which I will be forced to leave. He knows that I won't slip away in silence. Thus far, he has taken no action. Many are like me, keeping their eyes and ears open while working "behind the scenery" to try and provide an alternative for their families for the day of need. I agree with the writer who has ceased to distribute literature, or actively campaign. The large majority of SSPXers know where and how to inform themselves. If a person chooses to stick his head in the sand, there is nothing to be done for him.
The Holy Ghost does the conversion that no man can do. At this time, conditions are not so dire as to warrant foregoing Mass and the Sacraments to sit alone in the park with a missal and Rosary. I've faith that when the time comes, the necessary grace will be provided.

So we've had ANOTHER priest refusing communion for the "sin" of supporting the Resistance?

Again, I have to ask: what is the sin? Schism with the Catholic Church (I mean the SSPX) and the Holy Father (I mean Bishop Fellay)?

I know, I know... opposing the Superior General of a pious union, a bishop with no jurisdiction, constitutes schism :rolleyes:

I think these priests need to go back to the seminary and review the conditions necessary for refusing Holy Communion. They are so caught up in their cult, they are forgetting their duty as priests.

That's nothing:

When Fr. Hewko was here a month ago, he told a story of a 9 year old boy on his death bed in South America.

The SSPX priest would not come to give him last rites because, presumably, the parents were resistance supporters.

The boy died without last rites.

I think if you search Fr. Hewko's sermons, you will find this story from his St. Paul circuit back in March.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:24:48 AM »

When I hear about outrages like the above, I am fully confirmed in my belief that the Resistance is where the truth lies.

How could we be wrong? Those on the "other side" commit heinous acts like this, in the name of their team and their cult.

They aren't acting for God, or for what they believe is right! How could God want Catholics to die without the Sacraments? How could God not want Catholics to listen to the conferences of a faithful Traditional Catholic bishop?

It isn't God they seek, but the good of their Cult.

They cast aside doctrine, charity, and all manner of decency if it helps to persuade the Faithful to keep attending THEIR chapel, and putting money in the collection plate. Loyalty to men and/or inordinate attachment to well-equipped chapels and filthy lucre trumps loyalty to God and to the Faith.

To me, and to an increasing number of people, this is obvious.

I could just as soon become an atheist or a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ as I could withdraw my support for the Resistance.

Because in any of those cases, I would have to undergo severe spiritual and psychological trauma and/or brain damage to be able to ignore everything I know to be true!

s2srea · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2013, 11:09:13 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson

That's nothing:

When Fr. Hewko was here a month ago, he told a story of a 9 year old boy on his death bed in South America.

The SSPX priest would not come to give him last rites because, presumably, the parents were resistance supporters.

The boy died without last rites.

I think if you search Fr. Hewko's sermons, you will find this story from his St. Paul circuit back in March.

I wish I knew Fr. Hewko to be liar- he is anything but.

Poor boy and family.

Surely God is above the Last Rites, and if the boy loved God, he would certainly be taken care of by Him.

Frances · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:42:04 PM »

A clarification! No SSPX priest refused me Communion. The two emails warning me away were from lay persons, NOT PRIESTS. Both had personal motives in using me as a weapon against a well-known Resistance priest. The intent was to injure him, not me. Staying away deprived the trouble-makers of taking revenge, and possibly prevented an SSPX priest of unjustly denying Communion.

Matthew · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2013, 12:18:31 AM »

Even if an average layman was a bit "off his rocker" and fervently supported the Resistance, I wouldn't have a problem with it. He wouldn't be banned from CathInfo, for example.

What I have a problem with is having such a man be in charge of (or own) the Resistance headquarters website, or having his name and logo on all things "Resistance".

No thanks. We don't need that. The Resistance doesn't need that.