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Offline DeProfundisClamavi

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2016, 03:34:21 PM »
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  • The following is just my take on this.

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    [1)How come, until now, has this Valais "clique of  families" never been mentioned or discussed on CI? Or has it?

    I don't think so

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    2) Can you supply names of these families, whose members "hold influential positions in the SSPX?

    As I said in my previous post, plus perhaps Pfluger (2 priests, including one First Assistent), although they are German-Swiss.

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    3)  Who is this lawyer, who "ordinary citizens" can no afford?

    Uyttendaele, click here

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    4) have no members of these aggrieved families of the victims ever stepped forward to  expose the situation?


    Yes, in court, and the priest was defended by an Uyttendaele lawyer who got him acquitted in first instance. One of the families was disgusted and gave up. Others, including the Prosecuter's Office filed for appeal (which is under way). There was also an article in Der Spiegel a few months ago, with an interview of the mother of two boys molested by this Swiss priest.

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    5)  Is Max Krah, perhaps, in cahoots with these influential families?


    Well, wasn't he on the board of the Jaidhof Foundation until recently? You know, the legal thingie that they created to siphon the von Gutmann millions to Switzerland.

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    6)  Do you imply that SSPX donations, and/or Rothchild  money provided the money for this priest's defense.


    That's how the SSPX spends the money donated by the faithful, yes.

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    7)  Can members of these families be linked to the original GREG debacle?


    Not that I know

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    8)  Can we reasonably assume that +Fellay is a servile, nepotistic rat, as Bp Williamson has already suggestred in oh so many ways in the past?


    Yes

    My two cents...

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    « Reply #16 on: August 03, 2016, 03:48:49 PM »
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  • Laurent Kennes is a lawyer of the cabinet of Marc Uyttendaele, who lives with Laurette Onckelinx, a key figure of socialism in the Kingdom of Belgium. These are no obscure names over here.


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    « Reply #17 on: August 03, 2016, 04:47:46 PM »
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  • Thanks, DeProfundis.  I can see now that we need a knowledge of the French language, which I certainly don't have.  It will be difficult  to pursue this topic on an English speaking forum.  

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    4) have no members of these aggrieved families of the victims ever stepped forward to  expose the situation?

    Yes, in court, and the priest was defended by an Uyttendaele lawyer who got him acquitted in first instance. One of the families was disgusted and gave up. Others, including the Prosecuter's Office filed for appeal (which is under way). There was also an article in Der Spiegel a few months ago, with an interview of the mother of two boys molested by this Swiss priest.


    OK, so at least some families have tried.  Bernie took sspx funds. i.e. other people's money, and got the best lawyer that money can buy.  I get it.

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    5)  Is Max Krah, perhaps, in cahoots with these influential families?

    Well, wasn't he on the board of the Jaidhof Foundation until recently? You know, the legal thingie that they created to siphon the von Gutmann millions to Switzerland.


    Thanks again.  It was a stupid question.  So, in short. you're saying "Duhhhhh!"  I deserve it.

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    6)  Do you imply that SSPX donations, and/or Rothchild  money provided the money for this priest's defense.

    That's how the SSPX spends the money donated by the faithful, yes.


    Another stupid questlon on my part.  I apologize.  :laugh1:

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    8)  Can we reasonably assume that +Fellay is a servile, nepotistic rat, as Bp Williamson has already suggestred in oh so many ways in the past?

    Yes


    I like this rejoinder the best.  A simple, no frills "yes," as in, 'Well, of course!"

    Thanks again, DeProfundis.  You have made my day.

    So, we're beginning to get the picture.  The sspx may have pervert priests scattered all over the place.  The ICC/ICAscandal, though no pervert priests are involved, can simply be added to the list of sspx institutions riddled with dysfunction.  Time for a cocktail.

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    « Reply #18 on: August 03, 2016, 05:42:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth

    So, we're beginning to get the picture.  The sspx may have pervert priests scattered all over the place.  The ICC/ICAscandal, though no pervert priests are involved, can simply be added to the list of sspx institutions riddled with dysfunction.  Time for a cocktail.


    After reading all this *I* need a drink!

    The SSPX needs to be DISMANTLED as an organization.

    Bp. Williamson may have really had a point when he said that there needed to be only loose associations of priests.

    This makes it sound like, at the very least, the SSPX needs to have its financial donations kept segregated by country.

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    « Reply #19 on: August 04, 2016, 01:36:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: DeProfundisClamavi
    Fellay, Lovey, Granges, Udressy, Abbet, Pellouchoud, Wuilloud, ...


    A question that begs to be asked is to what degree these families have influenced the decisions of Archbishop Lefebvre to choose Bernard Fellay, a member of the Swiss "clique" among those who would receive episcopal consecration from him, and to have chosen Switzerland as the location where the first seminary of his SSPX has been constructed.

    What, precisely, was the link between Archbishop Lefebvre and Switzerland?


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    « Reply #20 on: August 04, 2016, 04:20:28 PM »
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    Fellay, Lovey, Granges, Udressy, Abbet, Pellouchoud, Wuilloud, ...


    A question that begs to be asked is to what degree these families have influenced the decisions of Archbishop Lefebvre to choose Bernard Fellay, a member of the Swiss "clique" among those who would receive episcopal consecration from him, and to have chosen Switzerland as the location where the first seminary of his SSPX has been constructed.

    What, precisely, was the link between Archbishop Lefebvre and Switzerland?


    The Livre Noir mentions « credible information » that Archbishop Lefebvre initially wanted to ordain no more than three bishops and caved in to pressure from said clique to add one from Valais. I can’t substantiate that but it’s perfectly plausible: most likely the people that helped +Lefebvre buy the land at Econe, as they had a lot of influence.

    I believe that Archbishop Lefebvre had no connection to Switzerland prior to his seeking canonical recognition to establish the SSPX in the early 70s, which he wasn’t going to obtain in his home France. He found what he wanted in Fribourg/Freiburg and that’s how the Swiss adventure started.

    @hollingsworth : I didn’t mean to sound patronizing, sorry. Happy I « made your day » :)