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Offline claudel

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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2015, 12:24:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: lauraelizabeth
    Why not just say that it was in New York? Mahopac is in New York.


    Just so. There are now three separate threads where the conference site is repeatedly described as Connecticut. Two of them still have "Connecticut" in the title! Surely this is something CI's esteemed Moderator or his lady wife could correct in a matter of moments.

    Being geographically challenged—or simply a lousy map reader—is one thing, but implicitly expecting that multiple repetitions of an error will somehow change the facts of political geography is quite another. I suspect that even cassini and his merry band of geocentrists will grumpily acknowledge that Mahopac is in Putnam County, New York—at least until they can find a bull issued by Urban VIII that declares otherwise.

    On a related matter, though I continue to be baffled by the failure of certain commenters, here and elsewhere, to comprehend why Bishop Williamson needs to keep his movements largely confidential—it's the Jews, for goodness' sake, not +Fellay's enforcers, that should be his prime worry! figuratively speaking, the latter may be going after him with paintball guns, but the former have loaded up with live ammo—at this point it may be said that with the horse well and truly out of the barn, there's no point fretting about whether someone finds the Mahopac door and slams it shut.

    On the contrary, I wish that +Williamson would be rather more discreet than he is about his future movements, especially with regard to where and when he plans to administer Confirmation and such. The Tribe is in the catbird seat right now, and staging a highly disruptive, sacrilegious demonstration at one of his liturgical ceremonies or conference appearances would virtually be child's play for them. What's more, getting the bishop's visa permanently revoked (i.e., because he promotes "race hatred" and, hence, terrorism) in the wake of such a staged outrage would be equally easy. Remember that little thing called the Patriot Act? It has given the government the power to do essentially anything it wants to do—or its Jєωιѕн masters want it to do.

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    « Reply #31 on: July 01, 2015, 12:36:58 PM »
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  • I posted it as "Connecticut" -- and will continue to do so -- for several reasons:

    1. It was a very short drive (around 30-40 min.) from the usual chapel in CT.
    2. I thought it was in Connecticut. I was driven there; I had no clue where I was. The East Coast is about as familiar to me as downtown Paris or the Moon.
    3. The location (Fire station) was where the Connecticut group had their Mass that Sunday.
    4. The overwhelming majority of attendees were indeed from CT.
    5. Fr. Zendejas only has one major group up there, as far as I know -- and it's CT. So this is the "Connecticut" confirmations. It's silly to call it the NY confirmations, when there's not even a distinct group of Fr. Zendejas-affiliated Catholics in NY. At least not yet.
    6. So I did it for the sake of simplicity. If my local chapel (Post office says Seguin, I'm closer to Marion, but closest major city is San Antonio) had Confirmations, it wouldn't be horribly deceptive to call them the "San Antonio confirmations" or the name of whatever city my chapel gets called the most (probably Seguin). But what if I had confirmations and a huge group of 150 was going to arrive? I might rent something in nearby McQueeney, TX. What would I call the group then? Not everyone out there knows that McQueeney is a few miles east of Marion, which is X miles west of San Antonio, etc. You can't expect people hundreds of miles away to be aware of minute details of local geography.
    7. Last but not least, I really don't feel like changing a bunch of thread titles, etc. just because some young lady in NY decided to "out" the location. She can out it; the conference is over now. It's a bit annoying, but whatever. Still, I'm not going to change all the thread titles.
    8. If Fr. Zendejas' enemies wanted to track these people down, infiltrate them, etc., they would indeed have to look in CT and not in NY. So I have to be accurate, to be fair to those personal enemies of Fr. Zendejas. (Hahaha...just kidding!)

    I hope this answers your questions.

    Seriously though, #8 is a valid reason. If I had mentioned a different place, the Pfeiffer fans would scream, "You're trying to intentionally be deceptive. This is the Connecticut group!" Or, "You're trying to make it harder for us to track you down by pretending it's a different location!"

    I've learned in my short life that some people will never be happy.

    If you keep it on the down-low, you're "secretive".
    If you advertise it widely, you're "sheep stealing and trying to take away our support" because "every dollar donated at that event, and every dollar spent on airfare, hotels, etc. by parishioners from other states could have been saved to be donated later to Fr. Pfeiffer's local chapels in their home states!"

    It's classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't".


    I'd like to point out something else.

    I remember saying these same lines of defense recently. Oh, I know when it was! Bishop Faure's consecration. This is *almost exactly* the same situation. 150 people, but it "wasn't advertised much beforehand" and the ceremony was "secret" or at least "not public enough" according to the neo-SSPX. Fr. Pfeiffer supported that gathering though by going himself. He was OK with the whole thing, because he was invited.

    Now we have another gathering of 150 people and the EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS are being used against it, this time by fans of Fr. Pfeiffer.

    Give me a break?
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    « Reply #32 on: July 01, 2015, 01:24:22 PM »
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  • I can't help that a short 30 min. jaunt will take you over several state lines...

    I can't help that some of those New England states are smaller than some of the ranches we have here in Texas.

    You New Englanders need to get some bigger states!

    Here's a real state...Texas!

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    « Reply #33 on: July 01, 2015, 01:29:38 PM »
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  • P.S. Texas is about as large as the whole East Coast.

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    « Reply #34 on: July 01, 2015, 02:30:33 PM »
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  • Fr. Marie-Dominique saying Prayers after Low Mass in Latin.

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    « Reply #35 on: July 01, 2015, 03:06:04 PM »
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  • Good to know that I can "out" it now that it's over. Matthew you have no idea what goes on at our chapel. You think we all sit around talking garbage about Fr. Zendejas? We don't! Half of us don't even know him, as we came straight from the novus ordo to tradition. We're upset because we would have loved to attend. We know four people (in our family alone....also new to tradition) who would have been there in a heartbeat to be confirmed. It's not everyday that Bishop Williamson comes around. For you to imply that people who attend Fr. Pfeiffer's masses would have been there to cause trouble is so wrong it's heartbreaking. Come to one of the masses. I've never been around so many kindhearted and charitable people in my life (likewise all of those i met who ended up at Fr. Z's masses as of late, were lovely people as well). All sinners, of course, but all of us working for our eternal salvation. It is shameful how quick you are to listen to slanderous gossip (I can only assume that's how you got your information because you haven't been here to see for yourself and you have so many things wrong).
    By the way, Fr. Pfeiffer still to this day talks good of Fr. Zendejas so you can stop fantasizing that we're a bunch of 'people who will never be happy'. The whole drama lasted about 2 weeks and everyone got over it. You always throw the slanderous 'cult' accusation toward anyone who trusts Fr. Pfeiffer...but  look at the secrecy involved in the confirmation/masses. You first said the reason for it was that the place wasn't big enough, and that they didn't want the media there. But then you say it was because of trouble makers. What is it?

    You seem to assume that there are two camps: Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Zendejas
    You don't take into account that some people just want to live holy lives in these insane times.
    One can support Fr. Pfeiffer while being opposed to Pablo. One can support him without agreeing with him on the red light issue (big deal! Plenty of people at our chapel still go to sspx and, trust me, you don't see him hounding them about it)
    One can support bishop Williamson while acknowledging that his endorsement of "poem of the man God" is strange...or disagreeing with him on questionable apparitions.
    One can also think the best of Fr. Zendejas while still being puzzled as to why all of his masses are by invitation/why he is so opposed to them being made public.

    Please, I just ask you (and others) to stop slandering those of us who choose to trust Fr. Pfeiffer with our souls. We're not the crazy bunch of hate-filled cultists you make us out to be. We really aren't.
    God keep you.

    Also, I am in Massachusetts not New York.

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    « Reply #36 on: July 01, 2015, 03:52:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: lauraelizabeth
    You first said the reason for it was that the place wasn't big enough, and that they didn't want the media there. But then you say it was because of trouble makers. What is it?


    D. All of the above

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    « Reply #37 on: July 01, 2015, 04:36:29 PM »
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  • A consecration is different than confirmations. It's silly whoever is running things for Bp Williamson will publicly ask for $ but will not publicly announce confirmation dates.


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    « Reply #38 on: July 01, 2015, 04:45:20 PM »
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  • Bp Williamson did announce confirmations for 4 N.Am. locations in a recent EC column. A fifth location was added after that announcement and announced on this site at least (I don't know where else). To say that he doesn't announce confirmations isn't accurate.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-coming-to-Houston-on-July-6th

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    « Reply #39 on: July 01, 2015, 05:09:07 PM »
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  • LauraE:
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    By the way, Fr. Pfeiffer still to this day talks good of Fr. Zendejas so you can stop fantasizing that we're a bunch of 'people who will never be happy'. The whole drama lasted about 2 weeks and everyone got over it. You always throw the slanderous 'cult' accusation toward anyone who trusts Fr. Pfeiffer...but look at the secrecy involved in the confirmation/masses. You first said the reason for it was that the place wasn't big enough, and that they didn't want the media there. But then you say it was because of trouble makers. What is it?


    Fr. P says good things about Fr. Z., you say?  Do you have some taped comments to support this contention, by chance?  I must have missed them.  Seems to me that I remember Fr. P talking about a problem with "doctrine."  Apparently he doesn't know what Fr. Z really believes.

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    You seem to assume that there are two camps: Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Zendejas
    You don't take into account that some people just want to live holy lives in these insane times.


    Oh, I think there are two camps.  Please submit evidence to the contrary.  We are not in a position presently to participate actively in either camp.  But believe me, there are two camps... or at least  there have been up until the very recent past.

    LE: One can support Fr. Pfeiffer while being opposed to Pablo. One can support him without agreeing with him on the red light issue (big deal! Plenty of people at our chapel still go to sspx and, trust me, you don't see him hounding them about it)

    Well, I guess one can still support Bp. Fellay while being opposed to the April 15 declaration and the 6 new conditions.  Never thought of that.

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    « Reply #40 on: July 01, 2015, 07:42:01 PM »
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    Fr. Marie-Dominique saying Prayers after Low Mass in Latin.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/sZK2_povqjE[/youtube]


    I'm going to turn this thread back to the positive and say that I am thrilled to see Fr. Marie-Dominique.  He was the one who heard my confession when I was in Avrille back in 2008.  I was staying with the nuns and he was the priest who spoke the best English.  I also got a chance to listen to a few of his English conferences that were recorded on tape.  He has the best sense of humor.  The moment from one of the conferences that I have always remembered was this.  During the conference (given at Silver City, NM to the Benedictines some years ago) he was talking about how there are those who think that a contemplative must always be so serious all the time and never laugh.  He said it's as if they believe (and his voice got really deep and serious), "I am a contemplative!  I must not laugh!  I must be SERIOUS!"  Then suddenly the audience (Benedictine monks) busted out laughing!  I too was laughing!  It was just marvelous.  I've loved Fr. Marie-Dominique ever since!  

    What a wonderful priest!  He was (probably still is) a very joyful man, a very good confessor.  


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    « Reply #41 on: July 01, 2015, 07:55:47 PM »
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  • I agree, he is the most wonderful priest I have had the pleasure to know so far!
    God keep them faithful, because without them...

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    « Reply #42 on: July 01, 2015, 08:07:06 PM »
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  • Stalice:
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    I'm going to turn this thread back to the positive


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    « Reply #43 on: July 01, 2015, 09:06:30 PM »
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    Stalice:
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    I'm going to turn this thread back to the positive


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    Yes, shocking I know!  

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    « Reply #44 on: July 01, 2015, 11:43:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Bp Williamson did announce confirmations for 4 N.Am. locations in a recent EC column. A fifth location was added after that announcement and announced on this site at least (I don't know where else). To say that he doesn't announce confirmations isn't accurate.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Bishop-Williamson-coming-to-Houston-on-July-6th


    What kind of catechesis does he require for his confirmations?