Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the “Resistance”, for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic.

This is a ludicrous claim. Bishop Williamson just said the contrary to this when he was in Houston last night. He said we can't think of ourselves as the only good ones and that we must remember our own sins. He in no way claims the Resistance to be where the "only good and just men" are.

This "pot calling the apple black" (I have to modify the famous phrase, because in this case, the latter is NOT, in fact, black!) is typical of those of bad will.

In other words, faithiful resistant Catholics could retort LITERALLY and TRUTHFULLY with: "I know you are but what am I?"

It's a pattern that the evil will not be content to leave the good alone. They know what they are doing; they are willfully walking down a certain path, and their conscience bothers them. So they basically REDIRECT the charges -- the very thing their conscience accuses THEM of -- against their "enemies", or those who are good and faithful.

This happens all the time, not just in religion or in the current SSPX crisis. Remember back in the 1970's any Catholic who wanted to stay Catholic was "disobedient", "bad", "rebellious" etc.

Yeah sure -- those who want to simply stay Catholic were proud and rebellious.
Those who created a new Faith, sacraments, etc. and threw out the centuries-old Holy Mass, so they could ad-lib one themselves, and crammed this abomination down everyone's throats -- they are humble and submissive. ???

Or today, any American who loves the real non-Communist version of America -- who believes in things like the Constitution -- is considered a "domestic terrorist".

See what I mean?

It's Orwellian. We might as well call our torture division the Ministry of Love, and our news media (in charge of propaganda and deceiving the masses) the Ministry of Truth.

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Quote from: Bishop Fellay

Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the “Resistance”, for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic.

This is a ludicrous claim. Bishop Williamson just said the contrary to this when he was in Houston last night. He said we can't think of ourselves as the only good ones and that we must remember our own sins. He in no way claims the Resistance to be where the "only good and just men" are.

I second this. I was at both conferences, and that's precisely what His Excellecy went out of his way to say at both conferences. This isn't about "holier than thou" -- it's about humbly continuing the fight, and not giving up or giving in to the Modern World and its allures. And that especially includes Vatican II.

I concur because I heard Bishop Williamson emphasize this point both in NY and in TX.  However, for Bishop Fellay to say that those who resist the new direction of the SSPX toward Rome as a "caricature of Tradition" is a direct slap at Archbishop Lefebvre as we are only guilty of remaining true to the principles he personified and taught to us. Rather, it is Bishop Fellay who has become a "caricature of Tradition".  

For +Fellay to malign the use of "the Resistance" along with the associated connotation of being in resistance to the errors of modern Rome draws attention to how far he has drifted from the principles of the Society Founder, himself, for ABL referred to his own work at the time as "the Resistance," in the same meaning and connotation.

By doing so, Bishop Fellay smears a foul stain on an effigy of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, his own superior and spiritual father.  Is he utterly blind to his own malfeasance?  Are his followers also blind?

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J Paul:

And besides, who cares what Bishop Fellay says?

Well yes, that question occurred to me, as well.  Bp. Fellay is always protected from the madding crowd of "resisters."  He would never venture into their midst voluntarily.  He is as well insulated from the common people as any prominent and controversial politician in the American or European mainstream.   I think we can be pretty certain that his 'advance team' checks out every proposed speaking and/or interview venue in which he is asked to participate.  I think that one well-announced conference and Q & A session with +F, open to the traditional Catholic public at large, would quickly reveal to us all that the SG is essentially an empty cassock.  Such an event will never happen, of course.  He will never have to answer to anyone for his careless and reckless remarks.  The Society is over.  Bp. Fellay is over.

A member of Recognize and Resist chastising members who resist him as de facto leader of Recognize and Resist? It simply doesn't get any more ironic than that.

Greetings Everybody,

It's been a long time since I've posted here.  But I was trying to do some (hopefully) good work on another forum, but recently I started getting banned for throwing Bp. Fellay's own words from around 2003 against the arguments some of the "anti-Resistance" crowd use against Bp. Williamson and the resistance at large.  

In connection with the post from Charlemagne above, the phenomena that I find incredulous is how supposed "trads" are suddenly arguing with methods and polemics that seem like they are cutting and pasting from the worst of the uneducated Neo-Catholic forums.  

Is there a crop of phony baloney trads that are simply Neo-Catholics with smells and bells preferences?  Are they full blown Neo-Catholic infiltrators being paid to troll on websites by someone with deep pockets and an agenda?  Or has there been a dumbing down and lowering of the intellectual quality of traditional Catholics in the last decade?  

I would also wonder if this stems from changes in the SSPX over the last decade and a lowering of standards in the formation.  Some of the younger priests sometimes make some really lousy arguments I've noticed.  If they are passing along their own bad teaching, and the faithful are not double-checking and countering errors, then the SSPX is simply repeating the decline that occurred in the regular Church.  

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Greetings Everybody,

It's been a long time since I've posted here.  But I was trying to do some (hopefully) good work on another forum, but recently I started getting banned for throwing Bp. Fellay's own words from around 2003 against the arguments some of the "anti-Resistance" crowd use against Bp. Williamson and the resistance at large.  

In connection with the post from Charlemagne above, the phenomena that I find incredulous is how supposed "trads" are suddenly arguing with methods and polemics that seem like they are cutting and pasting from the worst of the uneducated Neo-Catholic forums.  

Is there a crop of phony baloney trads that are simply Neo-Catholics with smells and bells preferences?  Are they full blown Neo-Catholic infiltrators being paid to troll on websites by someone with deep pockets and an agenda?  Or has there been a dumbing down and lowering of the intellectual quality of traditional Catholics in the last decade?  

I would also wonder if this stems from changes in the SSPX over the last decade and a lowering of standards in the formation.  Some of the younger priests sometimes make some really lousy arguments I've noticed.  If they are passing along their own bad teaching, and the faithful are not double-checking and countering errors, then the SSPX is simply repeating the decline that occurred in the regular Church.  

Good points.

I've said many times on here that it's outrageous how many SSPX Catholics today are quick to relish in being "on the other side" or "the giving end" of insults like:

You're disobedient!
Rebel!
Obedience is the highest virtue!
A house divided shall fall!
Oh, you're holier/more Catholic than the Pope, huh?
Who are you to think you know better than...
Aren't you a proud one!

...exactly the same things that were said to Trads in the 1970's and onward.

Just like a young boy gets bullied at school but can't do anything about it -- then he comes home and takes it out on his younger brother -- relishing on being on the GIVING end of bullying for a change. I'm sure in some twisted way it feels better than being on the receiving end.

I'm sure there's a psychological term for it...

Anyhow, it does seem like they're not thinking. Don't they recognize those same words from the biographies of Archbishop Lefebvre -- in the mouths of his enemies?  Haven't they read those biographies? Haven't they read histories of what happened after Vatican II? Are they that ignorant or forgetful, or are they willfully blind?

This is the same attitude we see in the anti-sedevacantists who routinely condemn sedevacantists as outside the Church for that reason alone (something we see on CathInfo frequently enough that it is sometimes not even noticed).