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Francisco · « **Reply #15 on:** September 03, 2014, 08:43:00 AM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Quote from: Ekim
Battle lines have already been drawn. I don't think a signed docuмent or even verbal agreement will result in an influx of NeoSSPX Priests breaking ranks, older priests will not want to lose their security and younger priests have been groomed for the inevitable compromise with modernist Rome.

This is perhaps, a very accurate assessment. For the SSPX, the die is cast. There will be no return to the past.

And neither will the faithful get their money back. The superior of a defecting group once told an irate faithful that the money was given to god (?).

JPaul · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2014, 10:13:34 AM »

Quote from: Francisco

Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Ekim
Battle lines have already been drawn. I don't think a signed docuмent or even verbal agreement will result in an influx of NeoSSPX Priests breaking ranks, older priests will not want to lose their security and younger priests have been groomed for the inevitable compromise with modernist Rome.

This is perhaps, a very accurate assessment. For the SSPX, the die is cast. There will be no return to the past.

And neither will the faithful get their money back. The superior of a defecting group once told an irate faithful that the money was given to god (?).

Well Francisco, we thought that we were giving to God out of Love for Him and the Church, so we should hold on to that good intent, even though the stagecoach may have been robbed on its way to Heaven, our Lord knows our motives.

God Bless

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2014, 12:14:43 PM »

These useless and meaningless terms as liberal and conservative are
worthless when it comes to the church.
Either you believe that the Catholic Church is necessary for
eternal salvation or it is not. If not, you are a heretic.
Being liberal and conservative in the secular world sense is
appropriate, it is not for someone who claims to be a baptized
Catholic.
Apparently both Cardinal Mueller and Bishop Felly do not
believe that belonging to the Catholic Church is necessary for
salvation, they are both heretics.

untitled · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2014, 10:28:05 PM »

MEETING BETWEEN BISHOP FELLAY & CARDINAL MUELLER CONFIRMED

3. September, 2014Blog Post 14 comments

I just received the following from the Communications Director of the SSPX, Fr. Pierre Duverger, SSPX, concerning the rumored (now verified) meeting between Bishop Fellay and Cardinal Müller.

As a special courtesy, please see the announcement below given to our priests today. This announcement has already been rumored by some blogs in France. Dici will publish a Press Release tomorrow.

The date is kept confidential to avoid any Press pressure. The invitation comes from Rome but will be kept unofficial by Rome.

If you want to publish this info, I would appreciate that you make a reference to the Press Release of Dici when published tomorrow or to the sspx.org website.

Rome: Invited by Rome, the Superior General will in early autumn meet with Cardinal Müller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This will be the first meeting with the successor of Cardinal Levada. The last took place on June 13, 2012. The meeting will be an occasion to review the situation and present, yet again, the Society’s position in line with the General Chapters of 2006 and 2012 and the official declarations (Letters to Friends and Benefactors of April 12, 2013 and April 13, 2014; declaration on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations, June 27, 2013). Everyone is requested to pray for the Superior General, especially given Cardinal Müller’s positions on the Society, which were reiterated recently. According to him, the only path open to the Society is acceptance of the Second Vatican Council, the rejection of which might have grave consequences. (For reference one may read the interview given to the Corriere della Sera on December 22, 2013. Cf. DICI no. 288 January 17, 2014)

Links for:

- Letter to Friends and Benefactors of April 12, 2013:
sspx.org/en/publications/letters/april-2013-superior-generals-letter-80-1856

- Letter to Friends and Benefactors of April 13, 2014:
sspx.org/en/publications/letters/april-2014-superior-generals-letter-82-4128

- Declaration of June 27, 2013:
sspx.org/en/sspxs-bishops-declaration-25th-anniversary

- Interview of Cardinal Müller, December 22, 2013:
sspx.org/en/news-events/news/commentary-mueller-statement-3099

Notes: in the previous publication we wrote Müller as Mueller!

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Roman Watcher September 3, 2014 3:06 pm Log in to Reply
How many times, O Lord!
I do not know what goes on in these many meetings, but I find it incomprehensible that so much is insisted upon which has no foundation in the infallible teachings of the Church or substance in our Holy Religion.
Call a spade a spade….
What on earth could a Catholic discuss with the Cardinal, who does not even believe Our Lady is a Virgin in the same sense as it was declared in Roman Synod in the 7th century….! Other than his own repentance….a heretic a blasphemer has no right to sit in judgement upon an old lady in the last pew!
I think it is really insulting to the whole Church that B16 even appointed the man head of the CDF!
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:49 pm Log in to Reply
Boy, that was well said.
S.Armaticus September 3, 2014 3:40 pm Log in to Reply
For what it’s worth, and let’s say that this is totally speculative on my part…..but….
_________
Some context for this upcoming meeting is as follows:
1) ++Muller asked for the meeting (at the behest of “elements” within the USCCB),
2) the bishop of Rome is behind this,
3) the USCCB, Muller and the bishop of Rome have a problem,
3) Muller’s “SSPX are schismatics” statements are treated as his personal opinion, i. e. not carrying much weight,
4) in the past, different bishops and cardinal said different things about the “status”of the SSPX,
5) the SSPX keep on referencing these “other”opinions in their defense,
5) no definitive position has been taken since Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication from the SSPX bishops,
6) the “de -excommunication” is “seen” as the problem, but since BXVI is still alive, don’t want to reverse it without “probable cause”,
7) and how this ties in the the USCCB is explained below.
Therefore, the meeting was initiated to get the probable cause.
In other words, ++ Muller is going to make the SSPX an ” offer that they can’t refuse.
______
So it’s either excommunication or getting FFI’ed. (And if the SSPX gets whacked, you can rest assured that the Ecclesia Dei Commission also gets it to “swim with the fishes”.
______
And if I was a betting man, I would place a large amount on the “excommunication” option going deep into the money post meeting.
______
Two elements also need to be mentioned here, both relating to internal US church politics:
1) US Bishops are losing control over their young priest who are agitating for offering the Holy Sacrifice according to the 1962 missal, hence the “request”. (The Canon’s over at St. John Cantius have turned their TLM training camps into a growth industry, B/t/w, too bad you can’t buy equity in that one :) ) The modernist bishops are having epileptic fits about this situation.
And not only the US bishops, but also their benefactors…..
2) More onerous though is the financial element. Turns out that before the last conclave, serious money got behind Francis. Word on the grape vine has it these are the same folks behind Obama’s 2008 victory. And these folks/organizations have been funding the USCCB since, along with the NGO’s and the “foundations”. If anyone remembers the Glen Beck (during his FOX days) programs pertaining to who funds the political left, these names will be very familiar.
_______
And that is the state of play.
_______
One other little tidbit is that the point man for the US bishops on this one is not other than our “foam cheese-head hat” wearing pope maker.
______
Stranger then fiction, sports fans.

Michael Leon September 3, 2014 7:00 pm Log in to Reply
Dear S. Armaticus. Links please!
-
I would especially appreciate a link that substantiates: ” Muller asked for the meeting (at the behest of “elements” within the USCCB), ”
-
Hint: If you take out the “http://” I think you can put in as many links as you want. They just won’t turn into live links which is fine. Or you could link to another webpage with all the links.
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:52 pm Log in to Reply
Astute observations.
—–
Concerning (1) of “relating to internal US church politics” – can you cite any sources or evidence for this? Frankly, I don’t see it.
—–
P.S. “Deep into the money” – I see we have another finance guy here.
S.Armaticus September 3, 2014 3:49 pm Log in to Reply
A bit off topic, but….. one for the “how sad” category: Benedicine Abby made to remove “artist monk’s”porn art.
______
Link here:
eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/09/benedictine-abbey-removes-porn-by.html
_______
Who would have thunk?

Indignus famulus September 3, 2014 4:21 pm Log in to Reply
tradinews.blogspot.it/2014/09/lefebvristesfr-mgr-fellay-rencontrera.html
(In French). Confirms Louie’s above announcement. Says the date was set but not yet confirmed as September 21st, 2014. News has already published this.
FrA September 3, 2014 5:10 pm Log in to Reply
Wonderful news! I pray for a resolution to all the issues standing in the way of full canonical recognition of the SSPX.
Munda Cor Meum September 3, 2014 8:05 pm Log in to Reply
I agree with Fr. A. Would like to see the clearing up of canonical ‘irregularities’. I do not attend the SSPX but if their situation were normalized, I very well might.
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:54 pm Log in to Reply
Bless you for your well-wishes, Fr., but a normalization of the Society now would be a true *miracle* – it just isn’t in the (natural) cards at the moment.
my2cents September 3, 2014 6:16 pm Log in to Reply
Today is the Feast Day of Pope St. Pius X.
Let us pray for his intercession that this meeting be fruitful for the Catholic Church and, indeed, for the whole world. Bishop Fellay needs our prayers. He will be surrounded by wolves!
Pope St. Pius X, pray for us. Pray for our Church drowning in Modernism!
Roman Watcher September 3, 2014 7:06 pm Log in to Reply
Pardon my scepticism, but seeing that the Modernists are expert political maneuverers…I’d place a bet that the reason for the Sept. 21 meeting, is to offer some vague promise to the Society, so that in view of the Synod of Apostasy to be held in Oct, they can buy the silence of the Society ante factum….
I hope it does not turn out this way, but the darkness of our days makes anything possible…
Paul Morphy September 3, 2014 7:35 pm Log in to Reply
Cue three weeks+ of idle, ill informed, conspiracy theory filled, speculation.
It beggars belief that news of this meeting gets released before the meeting even takes place.
Why not instead keep the meeting confidential until after the meeting has happened? Then both parties can release their take on what transpired at the meeting.
Instead the blogosphere will be filled with every sort of claim to try to influence the meeting or to try to sabotage entirely the meeting.
While keeping the staging of the meeting confidential, may also bring out conspiracy theories (about having to keep the meeting secret) afterward, at least it would curtail speculation.
Needless to say I won’t be wasting time here, or anywhere else for that matter, speculating about what is and what isn’t, going to be discussed.
Indignus famulus September 3, 2014 11:07 pm Log in to Reply
Dear Paul,
One thing you didn’t cover –since it was the SSPX announcement of the upcoming meeting after Mass that got the word out, it’s highly possible they simply wanted the faithful to have as much time as possible to pray and make sacrifices between now and the next meeting. We really don’t see how the blogosphere opinions can impact the outcome, unless they fortify what people already think. But it’s hardly likely they need that.
___
Bishop Fellay made it clear Oct. 12, 2013 in Kansas City, ” the situation in the Church is a disaster; Pope Francis is making it 10,000 times worse; and it is not the SSPX’s “intention to pretend that the Council was good or the new Mass legitimate”. The Vatican has been pushing total acceptance of both, and Pope Francis has done and said enough since then, to make it seem impossible, without Divine intervention to bring about any realistic solution to these problems.
___
We certainly don’t expect the two weeks between Sept. 21st and October 5th when the Synod begins, to bring a signed agreement to life , much less a silencing of the SSPX. So from our point of view, a miracle is the only option.
And like many others, we hope to contribute all we can with prayer and personal sacrifices to bring that about, if it be God’s will.
___
Our hearts go out to especially to the SSPX priests, bishops and all those they serve who have come to love them as good shepherds, as well as to those who oppose them with evildoing, for whatever reasons, as it is our Christian duty to pray also for those who persecute the Church.. .

www.harvestingthefruit.com/meeting-between-bishop-fellay-cardinal-muller-confirmed/

Cristera · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2014, 04:51:49 PM »

Quote from: untitled

MEETING BETWEEN BISHOP FELLAY & CARDINAL MUELLER CONFIRMED

3. September, 2014Blog Post 14 comments

I just received the following from the Communications Director of the SSPX, Fr. Pierre Duverger, SSPX, concerning the rumored (now verified) meeting between Bishop Fellay and Cardinal Müller.

As a special courtesy, please see the announcement below given to our priests today. This announcement has already been rumored by some blogs in France. Dici will publish a Press Release tomorrow.

The date is kept confidential to avoid any Press pressure. The invitation comes from Rome but will be kept unofficial by Rome.

If you want to publish this info, I would appreciate that you make a reference to the Press Release of Dici when published tomorrow or to the sspx.org website.

Rome: Invited by Rome, the Superior General will in early autumn meet with Cardinal Müller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This will be the first meeting with the successor of Cardinal Levada. The last took place on June 13, 2012. The meeting will be an occasion to review the situation and present, yet again, the Society’s position in line with the General Chapters of 2006 and 2012 and the official declarations (Letters to Friends and Benefactors of April 12, 2013 and April 13, 2014; declaration on the occasion of the 25th anniversary of the episcopal consecrations, June 27, 2013). Everyone is requested to pray for the Superior General, especially given Cardinal Müller’s positions on the Society, which were reiterated recently. According to him, the only path open to the Society is acceptance of the Second Vatican Council, the rejection of which might have grave consequences. (For reference one may read the interview given to the Corriere della Sera on December 22, 2013. Cf. DICI no. 288 January 17, 2014)

Links for:

- Letter to Friends and Benefactors of April 12, 2013:
sspx.org/en/publications/letters/april-2013-superior-generals-letter-80-1856

- Letter to Friends and Benefactors of April 13, 2014:
sspx.org/en/publications/letters/april-2014-superior-generals-letter-82-4128

- Declaration of June 27, 2013:
sspx.org/en/sspxs-bishops-declaration-25th-anniversary

- Interview of Cardinal Müller, December 22, 2013:
sspx.org/en/news-events/news/commentary-mueller-statement-3099

Notes: in the previous publication we wrote Müller as Mueller!

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Roman Watcher September 3, 2014 3:06 pm Log in to Reply
How many times, O Lord!
I do not know what goes on in these many meetings, but I find it incomprehensible that so much is insisted upon which has no foundation in the infallible teachings of the Church or substance in our Holy Religion.
Call a spade a spade….
What on earth could a Catholic discuss with the Cardinal, who does not even believe Our Lady is a Virgin in the same sense as it was declared in Roman Synod in the 7th century….! Other than his own repentance….a heretic a blasphemer has no right to sit in judgement upon an old lady in the last pew!
I think it is really insulting to the whole Church that B16 even appointed the man head of the CDF!
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:49 pm Log in to Reply
Boy, that was well said.
S.Armaticus September 3, 2014 3:40 pm Log in to Reply
For what it’s worth, and let’s say that this is totally speculative on my part…..but….
_________
Some context for this upcoming meeting is as follows:
1) ++Muller asked for the meeting (at the behest of “elements” within the USCCB),
2) the bishop of Rome is behind this,
3) the USCCB, Muller and the bishop of Rome have a problem,
3) Muller’s “SSPX are schismatics” statements are treated as his personal opinion, i. e. not carrying much weight,
4) in the past, different bishops and cardinal said different things about the “status”of the SSPX,
5) the SSPX keep on referencing these “other”opinions in their defense,
5) no definitive position has been taken since Pope Benedict lifted the excommunication from the SSPX bishops,
6) the “de -excommunication” is “seen” as the problem, but since BXVI is still alive, don’t want to reverse it without “probable cause”,
7) and how this ties in the the USCCB is explained below.
Therefore, the meeting was initiated to get the probable cause.
In other words, ++ Muller is going to make the SSPX an ” offer that they can’t refuse.
______
So it’s either excommunication or getting FFI’ed. (And if the SSPX gets whacked, you can rest assured that the Ecclesia Dei Commission also gets it to “swim with the fishes”.
______
And if I was a betting man, I would place a large amount on the “excommunication” option going deep into the money post meeting.
______
Two elements also need to be mentioned here, both relating to internal US church politics:
1) US Bishops are losing control over their young priest who are agitating for offering the Holy Sacrifice according to the 1962 missal, hence the “request”. (The Canon’s over at St. John Cantius have turned their TLM training camps into a growth industry, B/t/w, too bad you can’t buy equity in that one :) ) The modernist bishops are having epileptic fits about this situation.
And not only the US bishops, but also their benefactors…..
2) More onerous though is the financial element. Turns out that before the last conclave, serious money got behind Francis. Word on the grape vine has it these are the same folks behind Obama’s 2008 victory. And these folks/organizations have been funding the USCCB since, along with the NGO’s and the “foundations”. If anyone remembers the Glen Beck (during his FOX days) programs pertaining to who funds the political left, these names will be very familiar.
_______
And that is the state of play.
_______
One other little tidbit is that the point man for the US bishops on this one is not other than our “foam cheese-head hat” wearing pope maker.
______
Stranger then fiction, sports fans.
Michael Leon September 3, 2014 7:00 pm Log in to Reply
Dear S. Armaticus. Links please!
-
I would especially appreciate a link that substantiates: ” Muller asked for the meeting (at the behest of “elements” within the USCCB), ”
-
Hint: If you take out the “http://” I think you can put in as many links as you want. They just won’t turn into live links which is fine. Or you could link to another webpage with all the links.
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:52 pm Log in to Reply
Astute observations.
—–
Concerning (1) of “relating to internal US church politics” – can you cite any sources or evidence for this? Frankly, I don’t see it.
—–
P.S. “Deep into the money” – I see we have another finance guy here.
S.Armaticus September 3, 2014 3:49 pm Log in to Reply
A bit off topic, but….. one for the “how sad” category: Benedicine Abby made to remove “artist monk’s”porn art.
______
Link here:
eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/09/benedictine-abbey-removes-porn-by.html
_______
Who would have thunk?
Indignus famulus September 3, 2014 4:21 pm Log in to Reply
tradinews.blogspot.it/2014/09/lefebvristesfr-mgr-fellay-rencontrera.html
(In French). Confirms Louie’s above announcement. Says the date was set but not yet confirmed as September 21st, 2014. News has already published this.
FrA September 3, 2014 5:10 pm Log in to Reply
Wonderful news! I pray for a resolution to all the issues standing in the way of full canonical recognition of the SSPX.
Munda Cor Meum September 3, 2014 8:05 pm Log in to Reply
I agree with Fr. A. Would like to see the clearing up of canonical ‘irregularities’. I do not attend the SSPX but if their situation were normalized, I very well might.
A Catholic Thinker September 3, 2014 10:54 pm Log in to Reply
Bless you for your well-wishes, Fr., but a normalization of the Society now would be a true *miracle* – it just isn’t in the (natural) cards at the moment.
my2cents September 3, 2014 6:16 pm Log in to Reply
Today is the Feast Day of Pope St. Pius X.
Let us pray for his intercession that this meeting be fruitful for the Catholic Church and, indeed, for the whole world. Bishop Fellay needs our prayers. He will be surrounded by wolves!
Pope St. Pius X, pray for us. Pray for our Church drowning in Modernism!
Roman Watcher September 3, 2014 7:06 pm Log in to Reply
Pardon my scepticism, but seeing that the Modernists are expert political maneuverers…I’d place a bet that the reason for the Sept. 21 meeting, is to offer some vague promise to the Society, so that in view of the Synod of Apostasy to be held in Oct, they can buy the silence of the Society ante factum….
I hope it does not turn out this way, but the darkness of our days makes anything possible…
Paul Morphy September 3, 2014 7:35 pm Log in to Reply
Cue three weeks+ of idle, ill informed, conspiracy theory filled, speculation.
It beggars belief that news of this meeting gets released before the meeting even takes place.
Why not instead keep the meeting confidential until after the meeting has happened? Then both parties can release their take on what transpired at the meeting.
Instead the blogosphere will be filled with every sort of claim to try to influence the meeting or to try to sabotage entirely the meeting.
While keeping the staging of the meeting confidential, may also bring out conspiracy theories (about having to keep the meeting secret) afterward, at least it would curtail speculation.
Needless to say I won’t be wasting time here, or anywhere else for that matter, speculating about what is and what isn’t, going to be discussed.
Indignus famulus September 3, 2014 11:07 pm Log in to Reply
Dear Paul,
One thing you didn’t cover –since it was the SSPX announcement of the upcoming meeting after Mass that got the word out, it’s highly possible they simply wanted the faithful to have as much time as possible to pray and make sacrifices between now and the next meeting. We really don’t see how the blogosphere opinions can impact the outcome, unless they fortify what people already think. But it’s hardly likely they need that.
___
Bishop Fellay made it clear Oct. 12, 2013 in Kansas City, ” the situation in the Church is a disaster; Pope Francis is making it 10,000 times worse; and it is not the SSPX’s “intention to pretend that the Council was good or the new Mass legitimate”. The Vatican has been pushing total acceptance of both, and Pope Francis has done and said enough since then, to make it seem impossible, without Divine intervention to bring about any realistic solution to these problems.
___
We certainly don’t expect the two weeks between Sept. 21st and October 5th when the Synod begins, to bring a signed agreement to life , much less a silencing of the SSPX. So from our point of view, a miracle is the only option.
And like many others, we hope to contribute all we can with prayer and personal sacrifices to bring that about, if it be God’s will.
___
Our hearts go out to especially to the SSPX priests, bishops and all those they serve who have come to love them as good shepherds, as well as to those who oppose them with evildoing, for whatever reasons, as it is our Christian duty to pray also for those who persecute the Church.. .

www.harvestingthefruit.com/meeting-between-bishop-fellay-cardinal-muller-confirmed/

This post has been removed from Mr. Verecchio's website: http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/meeting-between-bishop-fellay-cardinal-muller-confirmed/

Meg · « **Reply #20 on:** September 05, 2014, 08:11:43 AM »

I wonder why Louie removed it. The article is still up at Rorate Caeli.

untitled · « **Reply #21 on:** September 05, 2014, 11:30:19 AM »

DICI http://www.dici.org/en/news/cardinal-muller-invites-bishop-fellay-to-meet-with-him/

Cardinal Müller invites Bishop Fellay to meet with him

5-09-2014

Filed under From Rome, From Tradition, News

mgr-fellay-communique-mgr-mullerHaving been invited by Rome, Bishop Bernard Fellay will meet with Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, during the second half of September 2014. This interview was presented to the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X as an informal meeting to review the relations between the SSPX and Rome, which were discontinued at the departure of Cardinal William Levada, Cardinal Müller’s predecessor, and the resignation of Benedict XVI. This will in fact be the first meeting between Cardinal Müller and Bishop Fellay.
On September 3, 2014, on his website the Vatican Insider, the Italian journalist Andrea Tornielli announces this meeting and noted that the new District Superior of France, Father Christian Bouchacourt had the opportunity when he was superior of the District of south America, to meet Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, then Archbishop of Buenos Aires. Since then they have had contact on purely administrative matters concerning the District of South America.
The Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X will go to Rome, following the example of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who always accepted invitations of the Roman authorities. What will be said at this meeting is obviously unknown, yet Bishop Fellay will not have forgotten what Cardinal Müller said about the SSPX, as reported in the Corriere della Sera on December 22, 2013 : « The canonical excommunication of the bishops for their illegal ordinations was revoked, but a de facto sacramental excommunication remains for their schism; they put themselves out of communion with the Church. After that we are not closing the door and never will, but we are inviting them to be reconciled. But they too must change their attitude, accept the conditions of the Catholic Church, and the Supreme Pontiff as the definitive criterion for membership. »
And surely the Superior General will have in mind the declaration made with the Society’s other two bishops on June 27, 2013, on the occasion of the twenty-fifth anniversary of their episcopal consecration : « It was love of the Church which guided Archbishop Lefebvre and which guides his sons. It is the same desire to “pass on the Catholic priesthood in all its doctrinal purity and its missionary charity” (Archbishop Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey) which animates the Society of Saint Pius X at the service of the Church, when it asks with insistence for the Roman authorities to regain the treasure of doctrinal, moral and liturgical Tradition. »

(Sources : FSSPX/MG/vaticaninsider – DICI du 05/09/14)

cantatedomino · « **Reply #22 on:** September 05, 2014, 07:16:58 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

....a continuation of the Menzingen follies according to ........St. Speculata.......

:roll-laugh2:

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #23 on:** September 05, 2014, 09:34:44 PM »

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvriani-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-36121/

09/ 4/2014
Müller’s first meeting with Fellay

The leader of the Society of St. Pius X will be received by the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the Vatican
ANDREA TORNIELLI
vatican city

Contact was never lost between the Society of St. Pius X and the Holy See. Although no official actions or meetings have taken place, unofficial relations have continued. And now the Lefebvrians have confirmed the rumours about a meeting between their superior, Mgr. Bernard Fellay and the Prefect of the Congregation fro the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Ecclesia Dei commission, Gerhard Ludwig Müller.

The news was announced on this website and then published by Italian Catholic blog, Il Sismografo.

This is the first time Fellay will be meeting with the Prefect of the former Holy office since his nomination in 2012. Readers will recall that one of his American predecessor William Joseph Levada’s final acts was to deliver a sort of doctrinal preamble to the Fraternity’s superior, prepared by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and approved by the Pope. The docuмent was seen as the condition for proceeding with a Canonical settlement that would have led to the normalisation of the Fraternity’s relationship with the Catholic Church.

The text was never signed, partly because of disagreements within the Fraternity itself. Müller’s nomination by Benedict XVI as Levada’s successor was also not very warmly welcomed by the Fraternity because of the opinions he expressed in the years when he was Bishop of Regensburg.

It is no secret that there were and still are some within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who would like to bring negotiations with the Lefebvrians to a close, reaching an ultimatum. Some had hoped that if no agreement was reached on doctrinal subjects, a new official declaration could be issued to formalise the split. But Pope Francis wants to take things slowly and seeing that relations never ceased, the dialogue between the two continues. And Fellay’s meeting with Müller proves this.

Readers will recall that in past months Mgr. Fellay and Pope Francis had exchanged a brief and informal greeting at the end of a dinner in St. Martha’s House. Francis had been indirect contact with Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, the Fraternity’s leader in Argentina who had met with the then Bishop of Buenos Aires on a number of occasions. Importantly, Bouchacourt was recently called to lead the Fraternity in France. In an interview - the content of which was revealed by Fellay himself – the Pope apparently told the priest he had met in Argentina that he had no intention of pronouncing an excommunication against the Lefebvrians.

In recent days, news circulated on the web about a mass being celebrated by a French Lefebvrian priest at the altar dedicated to St. Pius X containing the late Pope’s remains, in St. Peter’s Basilica. The news was contained in an official bulletin published by the Fraternity.

This is not a first, although there is no video footage of mass celebrations presided by the Fraternity’s priests. No objections are usually raised as long as the mass in question is a private mass and is not publicised.