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Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Matthew on May 28, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
http://www.therecusant.com/conference-press-release

A Reply to Mr. Damian Thompson, et al.

Monday, 27th May, 2013
St. Bede the Venerable

The organisers of the Crisis in the SSPX Conference have been made aware of an article by one Mr. Damian Thompson of the Daily Telegraph, entitled “Neo-nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst Deniers 'plan takeover' of SSPX, claim anti-Fascist campaigners."

We note with astonishment that this article appears to have been written solely for the purpose of uncritically publicising some simply incredible claims, subsequently taken up by others, made against the priests of the SSPX Resistance, the Recusant, the Crisis in the SSPX Conference, and all those involved in it, all of which claims we wish here to deny, to wit:


   that the organisers of the Crisis in the SSPX conference are neo-nαzιs and/or BNP members and/or in any other
   way "disreputable" people;

   that the conference is a “far-right” political event and/or that the event is aimed at removing Bishop Fellay from
   his position as Superior General of the SSPX;

   that the conference somehow involves any form of infiltration and/or takeover of the SSPX in this country;

   that Bishop Williamson will be present at this conference and/or is the driving force behind this conference
   and/or is somehow involved this conference;

   that the conference involves secrecy, plotting, or plots of some sort; and moreover, that the locations, address,
   dates, timings or other details of our conference have ever been a secret.



We are disappointed to note that Mr. Thompson has decided not to allow comments to be written under the article in question, meaning that we are denied any right to reply, by the same means and in the same place, to the outrageous and ridiculous claims which he has published. However, for public record, the organisers of the ‘Crisis in the SSPX’ conference wish to point out to Mr Thompson the following:

   1. Bishop Williamson will not even be in the country when our conference is scheduled to take place. We are unaware of his precise movements but are given to understand that he will be on the other side of the world doing confirmations. He will not be the subject of any of the talks, nor was he consulted in the preparation of the conference, nor did he have any part in the planning or organising of the conference. In short, Bishop Williamson has nothing to do with this event.

    2. Every one of the people involved in setting up this conference is a respectable, practising Catholic with a good name which has now been publicly and shamefully besmirched.

   3. To the best of our knowledge, no “Neo-nαzιs” “BNP members” or “disreputable” persons are in any way involved, much less a “bunch” of them. Nor are any such people welcome, unless they come as practising Catholics, and only as practicing Catholics.

     4. The sole purpose of the weekend’s proceedings will be to discuss the doctrinal position of the SSPX and the problems attendant therewith, and to strengthen the devotion, piety and holiness of the participants.

    5. The conference has been advertised in The Recusant newsletter for the past three months. It has been advertised on our website for the past four or five weeks. The press release published by Mr. Thompson says “We can reveal [that the conference] will be held in Earlsfield Library Hall...” when in reality, this address together with the times, the local busses, and all other useful information has been publicly available on our website for several weeks. There never was any secret, and hence nothing to “reveal”.

     6. In addition to talks on Doctrine, during the weekend we will have Mass, Confessions, Rosary and a Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Can Mr. Thompson please explain to us how he qualifies these things as “extreme right wing” or “neo-nαzι”? Once again, this has been publicly visible on our website for the last several weeks, and a quick internet search would have brought it up.

     7. It has been, and still is, our intention to film and make subsequently available the weekend’s proceedings so that those unable to attend can benefit from them. Does Mr. Damian Thompson consider that this is what “plotting” neo-nαzιs would do?


Where these ridiculous claims have originated is not our concern, although some of us suspect that Mr. Thompson, who is himself no friend of the SSPX, has unwittingly allowed himself to be drawn into what appears to be an intra-mural SSPX dispute involving a dirty tricks campaign against Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko, Fr.  Kramer and the organisers of our event. Be that as it may, and although Mr. Damian Thompson may now wish to distance himself and his newspaper from the scandal involved, yet the fact remains that to uncritically make public the claims of another is tantamount to making those claims one's own. Furthermore, to commit the sin of calumny one need not be the originator of a lie: it is also a very serious sin to spread calumny begun by someone else, the more so if one makes public a lie which was hitherto private.

In short, we wish to remind Mr. Damian Thompson of his grave obligation under pain of mortal sin to make public restitution for the serious public injustice which he has committed against the reputations of those involved in the ‘Crisis in the SSPX’ conference, and to restore the good name of the event itself and of the people involved. According to Catholic Moral Theology, until and unless such restitution is made, the penitent cannot validly receive absolution.

We await his public apology and restitution.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Matthew on May 28, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
Note how the devil's tactics are used against the Resistance here.

Throw ridiculous accusations with no chance for the victim to reply.

The truth is simply not with these people.

Thank God the cause of Tradition is still being carried and fought for by the Resistance.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: John Grace on May 28, 2013, 03:12:11 PM
I had actually forgotten about  Damian Thompson until that article.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 28, 2013, 03:16:38 PM
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Dear Matthew,

Thank you for alerting the world to the presence of this development on
The Recusant's website.  

The war is on, and the bullets and arrows fly, but we all know, this is what
happens in battle.  So it's nothing new.  

One thing's for sure:  you can know that the upcoming conference is
already having an effect because it garners a reaction from the devil
even before it happens.  This is good news.  

And Fr. Morgan's knee-jerk reply to the authors of The Letter of Entreaty
is most telling as well.  It seems someone put him up to his nonsensical
words, which don't even sound like him.  He couldn't even bother to
address them by name when they supplied their names.  This is an act
not of fortitude but of cowardice.

IOW the Menzingen-denizens must be CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

This is also good news.  

Onward, Christian soldiers!!



Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 28, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
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It seems to me that this upcoming conference is assured the
success that the organizers and we have prayed for, because
it is going to be the event of the decade -- so far!  

It is with much interest and applause that we see these
developments in progress.  


.   .   .:applause:.    .    .:applause:.    .    .:applause:.    .    .:applause:




Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Incredulous on May 28, 2013, 03:34:30 PM
Max Krah's vision for the neoSSPX is that it become a pro-semitic religious order.  Therefore, anyone who disagrees with the Zionist is anti-semitic by definition.

The SSPX-Resistance realizes Max Krah as a Zionist infiltrator, so the zio-propagandists must label them as "neo-nαzιs".

This is the same propaganda the zio-rag "SearchLight" and Blaise Compton (a.k.a Ashmolean) have touted. Maybe there is a link between them?
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: John Grace on May 28, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
Max Krah's vision for the neoSSPX is that it become a pro-semitic religious order.  Therefore, anyone who disagrees with the Zionist is anti-semitic by definition.

The SSPX-Resistance realizes Max Krah as a Zionist infiltrator, so the zio-propagandists must label them as "neo-nαzιs".

This is the same propaganda the zio-rag "SearchLight" and Blaise Compton (a.k.a Ashmolean) have touted. Maybe there is a link between them?


I would be sorry to think Ashmo is involved. Whilst the IA team should have stepped in to vouch for him, I think he exaggerated happenings at conferences in London. I don't share his concerns. I take things on board for certain. I wouldn't dismiss a concern but there was nothing in my mind, that I regard as sinister.

The upcoming conference 'Crisis in the SSPX' is about the 'crisis in the SSPX'.

Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 28, 2013, 03:44:29 PM

Matthew,  :dancing-banana: :applause: :smile:

Congratulations.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 28, 2013, 03:54:53 PM
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From the linked Recusant website page:

Quote

We note with astonishment that this article appears to have been written solely for the purpose of uncritically publicising some simply incredible claims, subsequently taken up by others, made against the priests of the SSPX Resistance, the Recusant, the Crisis in the SSPX Conference, and all those involved in it, all of which claims we wish here to deny, to wit:


   that the organizers of the Crisis in the SSPX conference are neo-nαzιs and/or BNP members and/or in any other way "disreputable" people;

   that the conference is a “far-right” political event and/or that the event is aimed at removing Bishop Fellay from his position as Superior General of the SSPX;

   that the conference somehow involves any form of infiltration and/or takeover of the SSPX in this country;

   that Bishop Williamson will be present at this conference and/or is the driving force behind this conference and/or is somehow involved this conference;

   that the conference involves secrecy, plotting, or plots of some sort; and moreover, that the locations, address, dates, timings or other details of our conference have ever been a secret.






This reads like a litany of self-incrimination, such that:


   the perpetrators of the Crisis in the SSPX are Zionist sympathizers and/or anti-BNP members and/or in some way disreputable people;

   this Ralliement with modernist Rome is a “far-left” political movement and/or that it's aimed at retaining Bishop Fellay in his position as Superior General of the SSPX and removing any Resistance cleric from his position;

   the Crisis involves a form of infiltration and/or takeover of the SSPX in the country of Switzerland and/or anywhere else;

   Bishop Fellay will continue to be present in this Crisis and/or is the driving force behind this Crisis and/or is somehow involved this Crisis;

   the agenda of the Menzingen-denizens involves secrecy, plotting, or plots of some sort; and moreover, that the locations, address, dates, timings, docuмents or other details of the Menzingen agenda have ever been a secret.


In regards to this last item, since the Menzingen-denizens are ALL ABOUT
PLOTTING AND SCHEMING, they naturally cannot imagine that their enemies
would be doing anything else BUT plotting and scheming against them.



*I'm American, so deal with it.



Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 28, 2013, 04:05:19 PM
Well said Incredulous. May I add that that might pose a problem for them:

Semita: Hijos de Sem (hebreos, arabes y sirios); familia etnográfica y lingüística que comprende los diversos pueblos que hablan o hablaron arameo, siríaco, caldeo, asirio, hebreo, arabe y himiarita (Larousse Dictionary).

Now, “if anti-semitism is bad it’s against Truth. If something is True is not bad”.
 
So either,

1. Antisemitism is good and hence it can not be punishable and the 7,000,000,000 human beings (semitics included) ought to be anti-semitic (because it is good), or,

2. Antisemitism is bad and hence it is not Truth because if it is True it can’t be bad, and hence, if not True, what is it? Now, in Spanish, two words: Verdad/Verdadero (should only apply to God, hence capitals) vs. mentira/mentiroso; and certeza/cierto vs. falso/falsedad. In English?

If correct, and I really don’t know, isn’t that a dilemma (Mt.XXI,23-27) for the “anti-semitic” ones? Also see EC 34.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Frances on May 28, 2013, 04:08:15 PM
One ought to expect this sort of behavior from those with guilty consciences.  Which saint didn't endure calumny?  Since the conference will be posted for the public, let the rumor-mongers be revealed for what they are.  
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 28, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
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Quote from: John Grace
I had actually forgotten about  Damian Thompson until that article.



Who's Damien Thompson? . . . . . . . . . . HAHAHAHAHAHAHA




Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 28, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: Elsa Zardini
Well said Incredulous. May I add that that might pose a problem for them:

Semita: Hijos de Sem (hebreos, arabes y sirios); familia etnográfica y lingüística que comprende los diversos pueblos que hablan o hablaron arameo, siríaco, caldeo, asirio, hebreo, arabe y himiarita (Larousse Dictionary).

Now, “if anti-semitism is bad it’s against Truth. If something is True is not bad”.
 
So either,

1. Antisemitism is good and hence it can not be punishable and the 7,000,000,000 human beings (semitics included) ought to be anti-semitic (because it is good), or,

2. Antisemitism is bad and hence it is not Truth because if it is True it can’t be bad, and hence, if not True, what is it? Now, in Spanish, two words: Verdad/Verdadero (should only apply to God, hence capitals) vs. mentira/mentiroso; and certeza/cierto vs. falso/falsedad. In English?

If correct, and I really don’t know, isn’t that a dilemma (Mt.XXI,23-27) for the “anti-semitic” ones? Also see EC 34.



If only it were that simple, Elsa Zardini.

The problem with so-called anti-Semitism is in what it is.  I don't think you'll
find any dictionary that accurately defines it.  

So I will define it for you, so then it will make sense.

It is this: anti-Semitism is whatever the Zionist Jews don't like.  Their own
subjective judgment defines what is and what is not anti-Semitism.  
Therefore, something is anti-Semitic if the Zionist Jews don't like it.  
Something is anti-Semitism if it describes something the Zionist Jews don't like.
Someone is an αnтι-ѕємιтє if they are someone the Zionist Jews don't like, or
if they do enough things that the Zionist Jews decide is too much of the kind
of things they don't like.

It's all about THEM.  They are the "masters" and everyone else is the goyim
(that means 'the cattle'.)

Go to Wal*Mart and see the rows and rows of "GOYA" food products on the
shelf.  Coincidence?  Why choose that name?  IN YOUR FACE, GOYA.  Stand
there for a while and try to find a Jєωιѕн person buying Goya food products.
Watch them go down the aisle and deliberately avoid even LOOKING at them.
A stock clerk who is Jєωιѕн probably won't want to TOUCH the Goya products.
Check it out.

They are the Masters and thou art cannon fodder.  Thine is not to question
why ~ thine is but to do or die!


Get it?  They tell you.  You listen and obey.  End of story.

E.g., Fellayism.


Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Wessex on May 28, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
The Recusant should not go out of its way to justify itself to these media whores. They have a scoop and want to relay it to those who gobble up stories guaranteed to be juicy. Religious themes are favourite because, morally speaking, they presuppose clergymen falling from a great height or doing something that is not politically correct. For them, once mainstream churches become politically correct, it is no longer news. And these mainstream churches are no better than newspapers in exercising malice.

Back in 2011, the traditional group, Pro Eccleisia, organised a conference with Cardinal Burke as speaker in Methodist Central Hall, Westminster (of all places!). When someone hinted it would be critical of the hierarchy, he withdrew. His replacement was Fr. Paul Kramer and Robert Sungenis. But staff at Westminster Cathedral contacted the Methodists warning them of the speakers' 'alarmist Fatima theories' and 'anti-semitism'. The hall suddenly became unavailable.  

Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Matto on May 28, 2013, 06:33:26 PM
Just what you would expect from a mainstream journalist. What else would you expect them to do except maybe just ignore it. :fryingpan:

But don't they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: JPaul on May 28, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Wessex
The Recusant should not go out of its way to justify itself to these media whores. They have a scoop and want to relay it to those who gobble up stories guaranteed to be juicy. Religious themes are favourite because, morally speaking, they presuppose clergymen falling from a great height or doing something that is not politically correct. For them, once mainstream churches become politically correct, it is no longer news. And these mainstream churches are no better than newspapers in exercising malice.

Back in 2011, the traditional group, Pro Eccleisia, organised a conference with Cardinal Burke as speaker in Methodist Central Hall, Westminster (of all places!). When someone hinted it would be critical of the hierarchy, he withdrew. His replacement was Fr. Paul Kramer and Robert Sungenis. But staff at Westminster Cathedral contacted the Methodists warning them of the speakers' 'alarmist Fatima theories' and 'anti-semitism'. The hall suddenly became unavailable.  




This is no more than an opportunistic Jєωιѕн attack against the crazy,evil,stupid, Gentiles.

General category, white Europeans, specific targets, Traditional Catholics, prime target,  Bishop Williamson............

Targets of opportunity, anyone who resists тαℓмυdism.........
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Telesphorus on May 28, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
In order to persecute Tradition they use the epithets of the far left.  

These people serve the Jews and Freemasons.  They are not genuine Catholics.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Telesphorus on May 28, 2013, 06:40:03 PM
These people act as though it is far worse to criticize Jews and their propagandized historical narrative than to be atheistic, left-wing, abortion supporting, etc.

Any honest person with rational faculties can only draw one conclusion from that: such people have a low regard for the Catholic Faith.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: SeanJohnson on May 28, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: Telesphorus
These people act as though it is far worse to criticize Jews and their propagandized historical narrative than to be atheistic, left-wing, abortion supporting, etc.

Any honest person with rational faculties can only draw one conclusion from that: such people have a low regard for the Catholic Faith.


Honest people are in short supply these days.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Matto on May 28, 2013, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: Telesphorus
such people have a low regard for the Catholic Faith.


They hate the true faith like the rest of the worldlings do.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Nickolas on May 28, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
If anyone had any doubts about the wisdom of such a conference at this time, those should now be quashed.  That the devil would attack in such a devious way is proof the organizers are on the right path.  I wish that I could attend but I am on the wrong side of the pond but my prayers will be there.

We know the devil is smart, as are all angels - fallen or not, however, tactically, the devil does not seem to appreciate that such antics as this smear article should and will only embolden the faithful to support the conference in even greater numbers than would otherwise do.  
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 29, 2013, 05:30:18 AM

Well said Matto: "But don't they say there is no such thing as bad publicity". Was it Napoleon who said: "No importa que hablen mal de mi; lo importante es que hablen". Matthew's letter is perfect IMHO; that's the way to go. And I bet you it is being read. No sillies in the SSPX.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Wessex on May 29, 2013, 05:43:09 AM
The coming conference in London is an experiment. It is the first attempt at bringing together hardline trads outside the official SSPX in recent times. Those nervous of upsetting the local SSPX can show their independence now that Fr. Morgan has stated his position. Uniquely, it will assemble people who are concerned about the future of traditionalism in England and will not have to suffer the half-heartedness of regular congregations.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Elsa Zardini on May 29, 2013, 06:43:13 AM

Yes, Wessex, that's the word "half-heartedness":

Lukewarm: halfhearted ("tibio" in Spanish, hence Our Lord's words "los vomitare de mi boca"). (Lacking in real conviction, not wholly committed to a cause or belief). Done.

Coward: fainthearted. Can become brave (very brave!) given the proper detonator. (timid, irresolute, impulsive in any crisis). Our hope.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on May 29, 2013, 09:46:29 AM
The anti-Resistance is so illogical and duplicitous that they're becoming hard to even listen to...I was at St. Michael's, Farmingville LI, last Sunday...One of Fr. Pfeiffer's former secrataries--one of two sisters--said that the Resistance "scares her" and that " they're following the Archbishop and not the Church..." I was mostly listening to a conversation btwn her and someone else and wasn't invited into it...I think my reputation proceeds me....and didn't respond much...She sd that " the sede-vacantists love those guys.." and " the sede-vacantists are the ones pushing people out the door...." Such ignorance spouted out over the course of 90 seconds just took my breath away...She didn't seem very open to discussion...Her idea of conversation seemed akin to defecating in the middle of a room and walking away...
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Telesphorus on May 29, 2013, 09:50:37 AM
It shouldn't surprise us that she opposes the Archbishop to the authority of the Church.

So what is the Church for her?

For the neo-SSPX and its followers, the Church is the conciliar church.

The priests know what they're doing and its implications.  They aren't stupid.

They're not ashamed to betray the Catholic Faith, and they lie about adhering to what the Archbishop taught.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 30, 2013, 09:08:26 AM
Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
The anti-Resistance is so illogical and duplicitous that they're becoming hard to even listen to...I was at St. Michael's, Farmingville LI, last Sunday...One of Fr. Pfeiffer's former secretaries--one of two sisters--said that the Resistance "scares her" and that " they're following the Archbishop and not the Church..." I was mostly listening to a conversation btwn her and someone else and wasn't invited into it...I think my reputation precedes me....and didn't respond much...She sd that "the sede-vacantists love those guys.." and "the sede-vacantists are the ones pushing people out the door...." Such ignorance spouted out over the course of 90 seconds just took my breath away...She didn't seem very open to discussion...Her idea of conversation seemed akin to defecating in the middle of a room and walking away...


Farmingville LI ........... LI = Long Island, New York

So Fr. Pfeiffer had a secretary who has run off "scared of the Resistance?"

This really is Vat.II revisited.  

When the liberals move in, they proudly set up shop, and just because it
looks like a 'development' people get interested - and before long, it has
become the norm and anyone who stands up to defend the Faith of our
Fathers is "scary."

They're "hateful."

For a liberal, it's only okay to be passionate about liberalism.
To be passionate AGAINST liberalism is hateful or scary.

Got it?

Liberals don't like to have any discussion, that is, unless you're also a
liberal.  It's an ideological clique where they get together and share
gossip about their common opponents.



Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 30, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
Quote from: Wessex
The coming conference in London is an experiment. It is the first attempt at bringing together hardline trads outside the official SSPX in recent times. Those nervous of upsetting the local SSPX can show their independence now that Fr. Morgan has stated his position. Uniquely, it will assemble people who are concerned about the future of traditionalism in England and will not have to suffer the half-heartedness of regular congregations.



It can't be merely "traditionalism in England."  There are attendees from all
over the world.  People are concerned about it because traditionalism in
England affects traditionalism EVERYWHERE.

England might think of itself as a particular place with an individual set of
issues, problems, challenges and strengths, but it's much bigger than that.

The Faith in England cannot be separated from the Faith in the Universal
Church. It is very important, and the devil knows that.  That's why this
conference is getting that negative publicity.  Ironically, any kind of
publicity is still exposure, and there could be a number of attendees who
show up only because of the attacks of the devil that drew their attention
to it.



Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Raphaela on May 30, 2013, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
This is the same propaganda the zio-rag "SearchLight" and Blaise Compton (a.k.a Ashmolean) have touted. Maybe there is a link between them?

Blaise Compton? No link between them, Incred.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Incredulous on May 30, 2013, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Raphaela
Quote from: Incredulous
This is the same propaganda the zio-rag "SearchLight" and Blaise Compton (a.k.a Ashmolean) have touted. Maybe there is a link between them?

Blaise Compton? No link between them, Incred.


Thanks for the input Raphaela!

My impression was that the SSPX neo-nαzι accusations come from the UK District.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Wessex on May 30, 2013, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Wessex
The coming conference in London is an experiment. It is the first attempt at bringing together hardline trads outside the official SSPX in recent times. Those nervous of upsetting the local SSPX can show their independence now that Fr. Morgan has stated his position. Uniquely, it will assemble people who are concerned about the future of traditionalism in England and will not have to suffer the half-heartedness of regular congregations.



It can't be merely "traditionalism in England."  There are attendees from all
over the world.  People are concerned about it because traditionalism in
England affects traditionalism EVERYWHERE.

England might think of itself as a particular place with an individual set of
issues, problems, challenges and strengths, but it's much bigger than that.

The Faith in England cannot be separated from the Faith in the Universal
Church. It is very important, and the devil knows that.  That's why this
conference is getting that negative publicity.  Ironically, any kind of
publicity is still exposure, and there could be a number of attendees who
show up only because of the attacks of the devil that drew their attention
to it.






Hopefully, this can set in motion something big. And the loud publicity whether  based on truth or lies may attract people who know how very serious the reason is for this gathering. The organisers focus on the problems inside the Society; would that they could extend to cover the wider subject of English traditionalism and maybe guarantee a larger crowd. The SSPX mission for various reasons never covered everyone and there are many people who are less concerned about its politics who could make an important contribution if recognised.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on May 30, 2013, 07:38:52 PM
Alright..Exactly who didn't like my last post on this thread...and for what reason? :dwarf:
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on May 30, 2013, 07:44:43 PM
A certain C. Pryor, I believe that was him-the semi-professional f/t Williamson hater, was glaring at me in the Community Room after Mass..Didn't exactly make me shake in my boots...His Dad heckled Bp williamson once at a dinner...Afterwards my friend Terry "defended" his behaviour by saying, " well, they aren't very smart and they really don't know much..." Quite right.. :boxer:
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 30, 2013, 08:26:07 PM
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Going historical now.....

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
Alright..Exactly who didn't like my last post on this thread...and for what reason? :dwarf:


Hey, Bill,

now, whoever-it-is, has a friend.   :whistleblower:

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
A certain C. Pryor, I believe that was him-the semi-professional f/t Williamson hater, was glaring at me in the Community Room after Mass..Didn't exactly make me shake in my boots...His Dad heckled Bp williamson once at a dinner...Afterwards my friend Terry "defended" his behaviour by saying, " well, they aren't very smart and they really don't know much..." Quite right.. :boxer:


Hey, Bill,

maybe C. Pryor, whoever that is, is stalking you!   :scratchchin:



Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Wessex on May 31, 2013, 04:15:19 AM
Bp. W makes religion and going to church anything but drab. But he cannot do this without treading on the toes of vested interests and their protective bureaucracies. It did not take long for the Society to go the way of all institutions and end up in the hands of a few individuals whose appetite for self-preservation knows no bounds. Those now outsde the firm can do no better than steal ABL's thunder because his organisation no longer wants it. But initially ABL had benefit of and could tap into France's great religious tradition; doing the same in the Anglo-American world is a much different proposition.  

 
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: Wessex
Bp. W makes religion and going to church anything but drab. But he cannot do this without treading on the toes of vested interests and their protective bureaucracies. It did not take long for the Society to go the way of all institutions and end up in the hands of a few individuals whose appetite for self-preservation knows no bounds. Those now outside the firm can do no better than steal ABL's thunder because his organisation no longer wants it. But initially ABL had benefit of and could tap into France's great religious tradition; doing the same in the Anglo-American world is a much different proposition.  

 





You know, this could be its own, new thread.





Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
The anti-Resistance is so illogical and duplicitous that they're becoming hard to even listen to...I was at St. Michael's, Farmingville LI, last Sunday...One of Fr. Pfeiffer's former secrataries--one of two sisters--said that the Resistance "scares her" and that " they're following the Archbishop and not the Church..." I was mostly listening to a conversation btwn her and someone else and wasn't invited into it...I think my reputation proceeds me....and didn't respond much...She sd that " the sede-vacantists love those guys.." and " the sede-vacantists are the ones pushing people out the door...." Such ignorance spouted out over the course of 90 seconds just took my breath away...She didn't seem very open to discussion...Her idea of conversation seemed akin to defecating in the middle of a room and walking away...


 :shocked:
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Neil Obstat on May 31, 2013, 02:46:02 PM
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If they can re-make St. Francis of Assisi into the "patron saint of the
environmentalist movement," what do you suppose they can re-make
ABL into?  The Rodney King of the Newarchbishops?  

Whatever it is, they'll have to make-do without any canonization because
that would make for a lot of problems.


Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on May 31, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
I'll tell the story of the dullard that heckled Bp williamson on a Jan night in '03...Bp williamson came to St Michael the Archangel chapel in farmingville, LI to hear confessions, say Mass and to have a dinner with us...Mostly his Excellency wished to let us know why we had 4 different priests in one year after Fr. huvar left for Dickinson, Tx..Frs. Darby, a French priest fm the Phil chapel, Fr. Chazal and Fr. Burfett...
       He mentioned in his talk the upcoming unjust, unnecessary, illegal invasion of Iraq and his opposition to it...Well that shook the American exceptionalists roaches out of the woodwork obviously bc one--a B. Pryor--spoke up and sd; "Well, if you care about what happened on 9-11 you'll support this war..." His exact words..I remember it as though it were yesterday...Better for people such as B. Pryor to keep their mouths shut and, at least, preserve some mystery as to how clueless they are: In one sentance he;
1. Implied that his Excellency didn't care about what happened on 9-11
2. Ignorantly conveyed the sense that Iraq had something to do with 9-11
3. Heckled a bishop..
        And now, I suppose, everyday is like the 4th of July for these people..
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 31, 2013, 05:20:01 PM
When I read your story, Bill, this is all I could think of.

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/amurika-funny-32.jpg?w=500&h=408)


AMURIKA!

(Only thing missing from this picture are cigarettes.)
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: Matto on May 31, 2013, 05:21:51 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
When I read your story, Bill, this is all I could think of.

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/amurika-funny-32.jpg?w=500&h=408)


AMURIKA!

(Only thing missing from this picture are cigarettes.)


Wow! That's funny. LOL.
Title: Resistance enemies are cowardly scoundrels
Post by: drivocek on May 31, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
When is the conference? Looking forward to the film.

                          Tantum Aude.