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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on January 11, 2018, 05:19:34 PM
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Samuel has just started putting together a Worldwide Resistance Directory, which you can access and contribute to here:
http://tradidi.com/directory
MODERATOR WARNING:
Just a warning to any potential users of this Resistance Directory:
USA, Texas, Dallas, St. Joseph's (https://tradidi.com/directory/us/tx/st-josephs)
This chapel has secured the services of a Thuc-line priest. No SSPX training, no Resistance training or affiliation, no communication or affiliation with any of the Resistance bishops, and no connection with +Lefebvre or any of his line of bishops. How this independent chapel can consider itself Resistance is beyond me.
His training and ordination are both under suspicion because he is Thuc line. And any sane Sedevacantist would agree with me: being Thuc-line is NOT a stamp of quality or guarantee of any kind.
If a priest is Thuc-line, you really have to research!
There are some Thuc-line bishops who will ordain and/or consecrate ANYONE. Even those without training, or sufficient training. Same for morality.
CAVEAT EMPTOR.
PS. No, I don't know who the priest is, but I am passing on information from someone who does. If you are considering attending this chapel, you need to ask the coordinator a simple honest question: who is the priest? And if she refuses to answer, then act accordingly.
Just like many people said in various Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer/Ambrose Moran threads: when the whole world desperately needs good, Traditional, well-trained priests (or bishops), and you "miraculously" find one in days or weeks even though others have given up after years of searching, you really have to ask yourself: Is this too good to be true?
My momma always said: When something is too good to be true, it usually is.
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Thank you Samuel!! :pray:
Hopefully more North American chapels and missions will add their information, as well as Mass schedules and expected visits.
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I thought Pablo was head of the worldwide resistance??
:jester:
Seriously, what about mission locations and mass times?
Samuel has just provided the bones of the directory, and given it a start (i.e., a publicly posted format as a resource for people to look up).
But it is up to you (and everyone else) to send him the details of the chapels/times/dates/locations/details.
He doesn't have any way of knowing/posting all that.
That is why his announcement requests you (all) to send the info.
If nobody is willing to do that, I suggest they quit whining about not having the info!
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I thought Pablo was head of the worldwide resistance??
:jester:
Seriously, what about mission locations and mass times?
I am happy to put up any information you want included in your mission's page: Mass times, location, directions, flyers, events, ..
Some people prefer to remain hidden for fear of the Jєωs/Pfeifferites/etc.., but I don't see any danger in providing at least a Name/Area/Contact so people in your area who are interested in coming along know you are out there and how to find out more.
I can also give each coordinator access to update their own details if they prefer that.
Any other suggestions welcome. I just won't be able to compete with "the head" in the area of exorcisms :D
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Bp Zendejas - South Salem, NY
Donations: SEA, Inc.
P.O. Box 854
Norwalk, CT 06856-0854
I don't know the names of all of these chapels:
St. Athanasius Church, Vienna, VA, USA - Fr. Ringrose
Stella Maris Chapel, La Marque, TX, USA - Bp. Zendejas
_____________, Danbury, CT, USA - Bp. Zendejas
St. Joseph's, Aldergrove, BC, Canada - Fr. Girouard
Our Lady of Fatima Chapel, Lacombe, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
Our Lady of Good Hope, Baton Rouge, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
_____________, Reenascreena, Co. Cork, Ireland - Frs. McDonald & Ballini & ??
Our Lady of Good Success Chapel, Syracuse, NY, USA - Fr. Voigt
Our Lady of Good Success, Spokane, WA, USA - Fr. Voigt
I don't know who's deciding who makes the cut, but here's some more:
Our Lady of Mt Carmel Mission, Chicago, IL, USA - Fr. Arizaga
Star of the Sea Mission, Charlottetown, PEI, Canada - Fr. Roy
(other Fr. Roy chapels at link below)
For chapels in Europe and more!, there's info here: http://ordo-resistance.blogspot.fr/p/europe.html
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I am happy to put up any information you want included in your mission's page: Mass times, location, directions, flyers, events, ..
Some people prefer to remain hidden for fear of the Jєωs/Pfeifferites/etc.., but I don't see any danger in providing at least a Name/Area/Contact so people in your area who are interested in coming along know you are out there and how to find out more.
I can also give each coordinator access to update their own details if they prefer that.
Any other suggestions welcome. I just won't be able to compete with "the head" in the area of exorcisms :D
Thank you, Samuel.
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In my opinion fr. Voigt should not be on the list.
That figures! I thought he was one of the few un-controversial inclusions and yet you seem to disagree. Just goes to show you what kind of mess creating such a list is going to be. Although, in this case you could "exclude" him and the list would be the same as his Mass locations would overlap with everyone else working with the bishops in the USA -- Fr. Ortiz has said Mass in Syracuse, other priests have offered Mass in Post Falls.
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Bp Zendejas - South Salem, NY
Donations: SEA, Inc.
P.O. Box 854
Norwalk, CT 06856-0854
I don't know the names of all of these chapels:
St. Athanasius Church, Vienna, VA, USA - Fr. Ringrose
Stella Maris Chapel, La Marque, TX, USA - Bp. Zendejas
_____________, Danbury, CT, USA - Bp. Zendejas
St. Joseph's, Aldergrove, BC, Canada - Fr. Girouard
Our Lady of Fatima Chapel, Lacombe, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
Our Lady of Good Hope, Baton Rouge, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
_____________, Reenascreena, Co. Cork, Ireland - Frs. McDonald & Ballini & ??
Our Lady of Good Success Chapel, Syracuse, NY, USA - Fr. Voigt
Our Lady of Good Success, Spokane, WA, USA - Fr. Voigt
I don't know who's deciding who makes the cut, but here's some more:
Our Lady of Mt Carmel Mission, Chicago, IL, USA - Fr. Arizaga
Star of the Sea Mission, Charlottetown, PEI, Canada - Fr. Roy
(other Fr. Roy chapels at link below)
For chapels in Europe and more!, there's info here: http://ordo-resistance.blogspot.fr/p/europe.html
Thank you, it's a good start. Hopefully in time people will add contact details as well. I will work my way through the French pages you linked to.
Deciding who makes the cut will be outside of my jurisdiction, but I am open to listen to lobbiers.
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I think this is a great idea and I thank you, Samuel, for taking this initiative.
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I have to wonder if any private chapels won't want to be on the list for fear of appearing opposed to the SSPX. (I suppose that's what you were implying by "fear of the Jєωs/Pfifferites/etc.")
Thank you, it's a good start. Hopefully in time people will add contact details as well. I will work my way through the French pages you linked to.
Deciding who makes the cut will be outside of my jurisdiction, but I am open to listen to lobbiers.
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We'll just have to see how the "lobbiers" sound, eh?
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I admire your courage and fortitude!
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The chapel in Vitoria, Brazil should definitely be added to that list. They were the first to receive the new priest Fr. Ribeiro and are usually at the front of the list when it comes to Brazilian resistance chapels. Here is their website. The chapel Nossa Senhora das Alegrias.
http://www.nossasenhoradasalegrias.com.br/
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Can you be more precise?
Is Fr. Voigt, problematic? ???
Christnoel, this isn't directed at you, but for consideration of all of us.
I was advised by my confessor recently, that we should be very careful in talking about our priests publicly & privately.
It's very easy to scandalize other souls with our comments, as harmless as our intentions may be.
Father Voigt is validly ordained, with possibly two conditional traditional rite ordinations (one by +W).
His priestly approach may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is one of the few trad priests, working hard for our tiny remnant.
We have to protect and be thankful for what priests we have.
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Christnoel, this isn't directed at you, but for consideration of all of us.
I was advised by my confessor recently, that we should be very careful in talking about our priests publicly & privately.
It's very easy to scandalize other souls with our comments, as harmless as our intentions may be.
Father Voigt is validly ordained, with possibly two conditional traditional rite ordinations (one by +W).
His priestly approach may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is one of the few trad priests, working hard for our tiny remnant.
We have to protect and be thankful for what priests we have.
Thanks Incred.
My mistake! :pray:
No malice intended.
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To supply the name of +Zendejas' chapel in Connecticut, it's called "Church of the Miraculous Medal".
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Can you be more precise?
Is Fr. Voigt, problematic? ???
Fr. Voigt is a truly zelous soul who is very jovial, pleasant, and kind. However, he can certainly give you quite a penance if you deserve it. He'll tell you like it is, not in a bad way, but he truly cares about you as an individual.
I would put the gloves on for him if neccessary!
Also, he helps +Z out now and then, so he definitely should be listed in the "Resistance" directory.
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Bp Zendejas - South Salem, NY
Donations: SEA, Inc.
P.O. Box 854
Norwalk, CT 06856-0854
I don't know the names of all of these chapels:
St. Athanasius Church, Vienna, VA, USA - Fr. Ringrose
Stella Maris Chapel, La Marque, TX, USA - Bp. Zendejas
_____________, Danbury, CT, USA - Bp. Zendejas
St. Joseph's, Aldergrove, BC, Canada - Fr. Girouard
Our Lady of Fatima Chapel, Lacombe, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
Our Lady of Good Hope, Baton Rouge, LA, USA - Fr. Morel
_____________, Reenascreena, Co. Cork, Ireland - Frs. McDonald & Ballini & ??
Our Lady of Good Success Chapel, Syracuse, NY, USA - Fr. Voigt
Our Lady of Good Success, Spokane, WA, USA - Fr. Voigt
I don't know who's deciding who makes the cut, but here's some more:
Our Lady of Mt Carmel Mission, Chicago, IL, USA - Fr. Arizaga
Star of the Sea Mission, Charlottetown, PEI, Canada - Fr. Roy
(other Fr. Roy chapels at link below)
For chapels in Europe and more!, there's info here: http://ordo-resistance.blogspot.fr/p/europe.html
I just received an email request from someone wanting to attend a TLM in the Baton Rouge area, especially on Ash Wednesday (14 February). Is anyone able and willing to give me a contact number or email address so I can help this person find a suitable Mass in that area?
This also highlights the benefits of having an up to date directory, with a way for people to contact the coordinator and inquire about Mass times. Failing that, who knows how many people will have to miss out on Mass for lack of information. I don't see any excuse for keeping Mass times by invitation only.
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fr. Morel had two chapels , both in baton rouge I think, but one was flooded.
This is the number I have always used.
Ok, I'll keep the name as is, until asked to change it.
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This shows one of the problems of not having a recognized authority.
So what?
We can't do anything about it. We'll be happy to follow the Pope once he converts back to the Catholic Faith. Until then, we're on our own. We have no choice. It's Traditional Catholicism 101.
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The importance of discretion concerning the Resistance cannot be overstated. We are at war after all, with Principalities and their human minions.
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There are two sides in the discussion.
1. Some say we should put everything out in the open -- chapel locations, sermons, etc. and publish everything on the front page of CathInfo for all (friends, foes and in between) to see. Their watchword is, "Have no fear of the Jєωs".
2. Others say that there is a legitimate need for discretion, in this age of frivolous lawsuits, scattered faithful, limited resources, and only a few priests who travel to service 95% of the resistant Faithful, and attacks/propaganda of all sorts from all sides -- the SSPX, Conciliar Church, and "fringe" elements claiming to be Resistance (read: Fr. Pfeiffer's group)
Their watchword is, "Discretion is the better part of valor."
I can understand both sides, but that includes the second group. If everything and every event were published on the front page of CathInfo, what is to stop a zealous Pfeifferite, Pablo the Mexican, or Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer himself from calling up the event's location and "putting them in the picture" (as the British say) or "giving them an earful" (as the Americans say) about Bishop Williamson, especially his more controversial positions?
Or filing a frivolous lawsuit? Even a frivolous, completely unfounded lawsuit can take a lot of a priest's time and resources to fight.
Or interfering with the priest's apostolate? What if a priest is trying to acquire property and has to get clearance from a city council? What if individuals on that council are made to go against the sale, by the priests' many enemies?
Or by taking recorded/written sermons, a priest's words can be twisted to say just about anything, and serve as propaganda against them.
Remember -- for many of our enemies, "the ends justify the means". They will stop at nothing, and hold back from no means, which will advance "their cause". That includes all sorts of devious devices and maneuvers: slander, calumny, lying, spying, etc. I have seen them do this! And we're talking about so-called Traditional Catholics: SSPX, Fr. Pfeiffer's cult, etc.
As Kazimierz said -- this is war. And war isn't about running out into the battlefield with a blood curdling scream, madly flailing two swords around. Some might call that bravery, manliness, or even the only way to fight. But I say that's a quick way to get oneself killed and out of the game. If you want to win the war, you have to have strategy and discretion.
And furthermore, the enemies in question don't concern themselves with the "blood curdling scream while flailing two swords" type. Such opponents are short-lived, get nowhere, burn out, and are of no long-term consequence. For example, Fr. Pfeiffer. The real danger to our enemies comes from the experienced fighters who have truth, wisdom, self-control and discretion.
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Some things are better left private, but other things need to be public:
Public:
1) Mass locations, time, and contact information (I recognize some locations only receive Masses intermittently/irregularly, and public announcements may not always be possible, but so long as someone from that chapel can be reached, people will be able to know when the next Mass will be).
2) Priest, bishop, and congregation contact information.
The SSPX always had these things published, and Mossad hit squads never took their priests or faithful out, bombed their churches, or toilet papered their properties.
Private:
1) Financial plans which convey strategy (e.g., Matthew mentions property acquisition);
2) Any sensitive information.
One of the problems today is that Masses in private residences hinder people's willingness to advertise Masses. For this reason, it is better to have Mass in a hotel/hall than private houses. Public locations are also "neutral," so that if there is friction within Resistance parishes between private persons, people will be more willing to attend a neutral location, than hear Mass in someone's house they may be in disagreement with.
I am aware of a couple times where Bishop Williamson actually did have his Mass venues cancelled because of outside interference, but in America, that is only possible in public (i.e., government) buildings. Private halls, hotels, etc. would be sued for religious discrimination if they were to pull that.
Just some thoughts half of you will disagree with; flame away!
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Public:
1) Mass locations, time, and contact information (I recognize some locations only receive Masses intermittently/irregularly, and public announcements may not always be possible, but so long as someone from that chapel can be reached, people will be able to know when the next Mass will be).
There is always a half-way measure: giving out a point of contact (e.g., a gmail address) that people can contact for the Mass location/times. It requires an extra, proactive step to get there, which MIGHT deter a few troublemakers.
Let's put it this way -- since I was with the Resistance from the very beginning, I was involved with Fr. Pfeiffer (who was, let's face it, one of the pioneers). This was before he went off the rails. He published his list of chapels far and wide, and my chapel (here on my property) was on his list.
I didn't have too many problems, since this is Texas and the biggest problem in the Trad world around here is APATHY, not controversy between different chapels/groups. Plus the geography of Texas acts like an isolation wall to keep people out. You have to REALLY WANT TO GET HERE, almost as bad as Alaska. At least we have paved roads. But even the well-traveled Pablo has never bothered to come here, as a friend or as an enemy. It's just too far of a drive for most people.
However, one strange man did show up unannounced at our home. He was wearing a brown habit and he called himself a Franciscan. He hitchhiked as far as the nearby gas station, then walked here. I don't think he knew of any "true" Catholic priests at the time he showed up at my door. He didn't support Fr. Pfeiffer, but he got his public list of Mass locations. I guess he was hoping my chapel was the answer to his prayers, to find "the Last Catholic Priest" or something. I was polite, but eventually he just stopped talking and left -- walking down the street back to the highway so he could hitchhike somewhere else on his journey.
Perhaps it was a good thing that I was home -- imagine if my wife had been home with the kids, and some strange man showed up -- you don't know what a strange man might want to do.
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This is what I have:
Our Lady of Sorrows Chapel
3475 N. Sherwood Forest Blvd., Baton Rouge, LA 70814
Fr. Morel, (225) 272-0289
I don't have an email address. You just have to keep trying the phone... last time I tried, fr. Morel answered.
A note just came my way that this is the contact information for the SSPX chapel in Baton Rouge.
Take it off your list, stat! : )
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A note just came my way that this is the contact information for the SSPX chapel in Baton Rouge.
Take it off your list, stat! : )
Do you mean the phone number, or the priest (Fr. Morel) and all his chapels, or just this one Chapel ?
I have another chapel listed for Fr. Morel (Our Lady of Fatima Chapel in Lacombe).
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Everything in Fanny's post was the info for the SSPX chapel (as you can see on their website) except the priest. I believe Fr. Morel was at that chapel prior to leaving the SSPX in 2012.
Fr. Morel does say Mass in Baton Rouge and I might have that info for you tomorrow.
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Ok, thanks for passing this on. I have removed the contact details but left "Our Lady of Good Hope Chapel" listed with Fr. Morel, without contact details.
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Sorry, confused:
Is Fr. Morel a Resistance priest or not?
If so, what's the contact info for his chapel(s)?
If he's just another independent, no worries (i.e,, Who cares).
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Do you mean the phone number, or the priest (Fr. Morel) and all his chapels, or just this one Chapel ?
I have another chapel listed for Fr. Morel (Our Lady of Fatima Chapel in Lacombe).
I am sorry for the mistake.
I havent called him in a while.
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Here's more info on Fr. Morel's Mass locations in Louisiana:
Our Lady of Fatima
77110 Vortisch Road
Lacombe, LA 70444
Sunday Mass 8:30 am
Confessions before Mass
Holy Days of Obligation and Feast Days announced
Our Lady of Hope
750 Oak Villa Boulevard (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g)
Baton Rouge, LA (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g) 70815 (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g)
(rented space)
Sunday Mass 11:30 am
Confessions before Mass
Holy Days of Obligation and Feast Days announced
The Lacombe chapel will have Mass on Ash Wednesday at 7 am. Ashes for the Baton Rouge location will be next Sunday.
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Thank you, I have passed on the info and updated the Directory.
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Here's more info on Fr. Morel's Mass locations in Louisiana:
Our Lady of Fatima
77110 Vortisch Road
Lacombe, LA 70444
Sunday Mass 8:30 am
Confessions before Mass
Holy Days of Obligation and Feast Days announced
Our Lady of Hope
750 Oak Villa Boulevard (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g)
Baton Rouge, LA (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g) 70815 (https://maps.google.com/?q=750+Oak+Villa+BoulevardBaton+Rouge,+LA%C2%A0+70815&entry=gmail&source=g)
(rented space)
Sunday Mass 11:30 am
Confessions before Mass
Holy Days of Obligation and Feast Days announced
The Lacombe chapel will have Mass on Ash Wednesday at 7 am. Ashes for the Baton Rouge location will be next Sunday.
Good morning,
Does Fr. Morel have a phone number we can contact him at?
I will be in New Orleans for business March 3rd - March 7th. I was hoping Fr. Morel would be offering a Saturday Mass to allow me to complete the Five First Saturdays.
If not, I understand as well.
Thank you! God bless.
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It seems the Lacombe, LA location might need to be removed from the directory.
https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/fr-morel-in-louisiana/
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Apparently, there's one near Minneapolis?
I say 'apparently' because I checked the address, called the number and called it... but the address is an apartment in a part of town I've known my whole life. I've driven by that same apartment complex hundreds of times. Nothing that would make it seem that there was a Resistance chapel.
Only seen one thing about it on websites.
The directory doesn't list it, but Traditio's directory does.
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Apparently, there's one near Minneapolis?
I say 'apparently' because I checked the address, called the number and called it... but the address is an apartment in a part of town I've known my whole life. I've driven by that same apartment complex hundreds of times. Nothing that would make it seem that there was a Resistance chapel.
Only seen one thing about it on websites.
The directory doesn't list it, but Traditio's directory does.
I wasn't aware that Traditio had anything listed for the Resistance.
Fr. Voigt has a Mass in MN.
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Apparently, there's one near Minneapolis?
I say 'apparently' because I checked the address, called the number and called it... but the address is an apartment in a part of town I've known my whole life. I've driven by that same apartment complex hundreds of times. Nothing that would make it seem that there was a Resistance chapel.
Only seen one thing about it on websites.
The directory doesn't list it, but Traditio's directory does.
Maybe they have mass in one of the apartments. I have heard of mass in peoples' homes before.
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I wasn't aware that Traditio had anything listed for the Resistance.
You're on traditio!
Traditio is amenable to list anyone's location. You just need to send them the info. Problem is they are also supportive of the duarte-costa lineage, which is not legitimate (ex: Anslem Marie in Arlington , TX, and Sebastian in Los alamitos, CA).
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Caution is still required when using their list.
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Is anyone aware of Fr McDonald being in Ontario? I’ve heard he was but I’m trying to get more info. Any contact info for the good Fr?
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Just a warning to any potential users of this Resistance Directory:
USA, Texas, Dallas, St. Joseph's (https://tradidi.com/directory/us/tx/st-josephs)
This chapel has secured the services of a Thuc-line priest. No SSPX training, no Resistance training or affiliation, no communication or affiliation with any of the Resistance bishops, and no connection with +Lefebvre or any of his line of bishops. How this independent chapel can consider itself Resistance is beyond me.
His training and ordination are both under suspicion because he is Thuc line. And any sane Sedevacantist would agree with me: being Thuc-line is NOT a stamp of quality or guarantee of any kind.
If a priest is Thuc-line, you really have to research!
There are some Thuc-line bishops who will ordain and/or consecrate ANYONE. Even those without training, or sufficient training. Same for morality.
CAVEAT EMPTOR.
PS. No, I don't know who the priest is, but I am passing on information from someone who does. If you are considering attending this chapel, you need to ask the coordinator a simple honest question: who is the priest? And if he refuses to answer, then act accordingly.
Just like many people said in various Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer/Ambrose Moran threads: when the whole world desperately needs good, Traditional, well-trained priests (or bishops), and you "miraculously" find one in days or weeks even though others have given up after years of searching, you really have to ask yourself: Is this too good to be true?
My momma always said: When something is too good to be true, it usually is.
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Just a warning to any potential users of this Resistance Directory:
USA, Texas, Dallas, St. Joseph's (https://tradidi.com/directory/us/tx/st-josephs)
This chapel has secured the services of a Thuc-line priest. No SSPX training, no Resistance training or affiliation, no communication or affiliation with any of the Resistance bishops, and no connection with +Lefebvre or any of his line of bishops. How this independent chapel can consider itself Resistance is beyond me.
His training and ordination are both under suspicion because he is Thuc line. And any sane Sedevacantist would agree with me: being Thuc-line is NOT a stamp of quality or guarantee of any kind.
If a priest is Thuc-line, you really have to research!
There are some Thuc-line bishops who will ordain and/or consecrate ANYONE. Even those without training, or sufficient training. Same for morality.
CAVEAT EMPTOR.
PS. No, I don't know who the priest is, but I am passing on information from someone who does. If you are considering attending this chapel, you need to ask the coordinator a simple honest question: who is the priest? And if he refuses to answer, then act accordingly.
Just like many people said in various Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer/Ambrose Moran threads: when the whole world desperately needs good, Traditional, well-trained priests (or bishops), and you "miraculously" find one in days or weeks even though others have given up after years of searching, you really have to ask yourself: Is this too good to be true?
My momma always said: When something is too good to be true, it usually is.
Indeed, there are a lot of directories where it just lists "Fr.________" and absolutely nothing else. Even worse, a bishop with no information about him.
There are better ways to serve Our Blessed Lord than getting ordained by a schismatic Brazilian church (with ties to Communism, at that). The Church does not need more dubious sacraments.
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Sounds like you've confirmed everything he said expect one word -- communication.
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Seems to me if you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldnt talk.
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Your informer doesn't know what he is talking about, either. Both of you should have done your homework before saying anything negative about a priest you don't even know the name of. For shame.
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Not all thuc-line are sedevecanti.
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The priest supports the resistance and it's bishops and has had communication with them.
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Furthermore, that chapel also has other priests who say mass there.
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Shame on you both.
And the value of your word... is?
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Seems to me if you don't know what you are talking about, you shouldnt talk.
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Your informer doesn't know what he is talking about, either. Both of you should have done your homework before saying anything negative about a priest you don't even know the name of. For shame.
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Not all thuc-line are sedevecanti.
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The priest supports the resistance and it's bishops and has had communication with them.
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Furthermore, that chapel also has other priests who say mass there.
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Shame on you both.
1. I apparently do know what I'm talking about, as you confirmed virtually everything I said.
2. I didn't say anything negative. I just pointed out the fact that Thuc-line priests are a HUGE wild card. You are going to have an uphill battle proving the training, validity of ordination, etc. of your Thuc-line priest to every potential parishioner in the future. That's the burden that comes with the "easy win" of snagging a Thuc-line priest for your chapel.
3. Who said anything about Sedevacantism? Certainly not me.
4. Who cares who he's rooting for. If none of the Resistance bishops are his boss, and they don't approve of him, then how can he claim any connection to the SSPX Resistance? It sounds like you're trying to ride on the coattails of the good reputation of the SSPX Resistance. I agree though: the Resistance has the same spotless reputation for training, validity, etc. that the old SSPX enjoyed. But your Thuc-line priest was not formed in the SSPX, didn't receive ordination from the SSPX, and has no MEANINGFUL back-and-forth with any Resistance bishop. He is not working WITH or UNDER any Resistance bishop. That is what I meant by communication. I wasn't talking about casual chit-chat or Christmas cards.
5. If I sent a letter to Fr. Cekada telling him he's doing the devil's work by promoting his "Non Una cuм" position, I could claim "I have had communication with Fr. Cekada".
6. I doubt you have any regular priests other than the Thuc-line priest in question. You have to be exaggerating; your chapel isn't that big. What, you have other Thuc-line priests/bishops saying Mass there as well?
7. I'll spare you any further contamination by my shame-ridden self by banning you from the forum. I wouldn't want you to befoul yourself.
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“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” St. Mark 3:24-25
We should all consider ourselves *CATHOLIC*, not Resistance, not SSPX, not FSSP, etc. This sectarian nonsense will be the end of us.
Sounds great and all, but ideas do matter. It's ecuмenical nonsense to say, "As long as you're a good person, all that silly stuff like beliefs doesn't matter..."
No, beliefs DO matter. They determine our actions. And there are very real differences in the positions of, say, the FSSP and the Resistance.
You can go ahead and call yourself "simply Catholic" -- and everyone will assume you're Novus Ordo. For my part, I am TRADITIONAL Catholic. That appellation is necessary, just as it's necessary to call ourselves CATHOLIC rather than CHRISTIAN ever since the Protestant Revolt. Words mean things. Words convey a certain reality.
There is a REALITY behind each of the names used. If those terms weren't useful, no one would use them.
So that is why there are different groups. Let me ask you this: Who should dissolve, and which group should be the one left standing? I bet no one would agree on which one should be the one left standing. Hence the multitude of groups, one for each major position.
As for being divisive and causing sects and dissensions, you must not know me very well. The most common criticism of me is that I'm "Trad-cuмenical" or friendly to all the Trad groups. My belief is that God hasn't expressed a favorite, so it's all kind of up-in-the-air and mysterious when it comes to "What Trad group is objectively the best, or God's personal favorite?"
Putting Lutheranism and Catholicism on the same footing (like Modernist Rome does) is sinful and unjust, because Lutheranism is of the devil. But you can't say the same thing for "other Trad positions" which are different from your own. Truth is/can be known in the case of the One True Faith, so the others are IN ERROR. However, truth CANNOT be known in the case of the various Trad groups. Each of the Trad groups is just a network of lifeboats. Choosing one over the other is only a matter of prudence, NOT dogma. God hasn't made His will known as to which of them is His favorite. So any of them could turn out to be the best, in the end. So we should respect them all, more or less, even if we have a personal favorite which we think is the most prudent/safest/best lifeboat to ride out the Crisis.
That is why we can't BIND OTHERS or condemn those who disagree with us, on matters touching on the Crisis in the Church. There is too much confusion, doubt, and lack of certainty. All we have is MORAL certainty that this or that path is the most prudent.
We can and should feel strongly about our position -- arguing why it's better, safer, etc. and point out apparent errors or problems with the opposing positions. But we must maintain charity, and not cross the line. We can't excommunicate our fellow Trad Catholics or claim they are heretics, just because they don't hold our position. The Crisis in the Church is unprecedented, and there is NO clear-cut guidance in the matter. If there were, there would only be two possible outcomes:
1. Just one Trad position
2. One GOOD Trad position, and all the others contain 100% men of bad will.
The Dimond Brothers, etc. go with option 2), which I believe is wrong and forbidden to Catholics.
But instead, all we have are the virtues of wisdom and prudence, and the wisdom/prudence of saintly prelates like Abp. Lefebvre to guide us. But even he is not infallible, so the confusion persists.
But, nevertheless, it's a simple fact that you can't call a random Thuc-line priest "Resistance". It simply violates the truth, so I have a problem with it. For those seeking a Resistance priest because of the prudence and sanity of that position, they expect a Resistance priest when they go to a chapel considered "Resistance". An independent chapel with a thuc-line priest, with insufficient training, who does not work with any Resistance bishop, is simply not Resistance. It simply is what it is.
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“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” St. Mark 3:24-25
We should all consider ourselves *CATHOLIC*, not Resistance, not SSPX, not FSSP, etc. This sectarian nonsense will be the end of us.
Nice Dallas, TX IP address there, ImmaculateHeart.
Are you Fr. Francis Mbadugha?
That's a direct, yes or no question by the way.
I believe you are. You posted donation information earlier under this account. You might be pretending to be someone else (or leading us to believe it's someone else -- a la "mental reservation") but it's obvious you are Fr. Francis himself.
Fr. Francis M. does not have sufficient training. If that is the priest in Dallas (at the Kaldawi chapel) then a lot of the mystery is cleared up.
To Fr. Francis M:
It doesn't matter if Bishop Adamson was willing to ordain you, or that you were passive/humble about it and went with Bp. Adamson's strong suggestion that you should be ordained. He was objectively wrong and very imprudent in ordaining you.
Let me tell you a quick story, Father: I had another Thuc-line bishop, Bishop Slupski, want to ordain ME in 2007. But I was married with 2 children at the time, so I prudently refused. Doing God's will doesn't mean going with the flow of anything any bishop ever says or wants to do. Especially when those bishops are Thuc-line!
The bishop who ordained you is quite scandalous, too, based on reports of those who visited his home. He wears lay clothes, has a ponytail, has nude art all over the place (millions of dollars worth!) a huge mansion, 3 hour meals, he wastes food and rings a bell for servants to take away one course and bring on the next course, etc. He is living in fastidious luxury. Not the kind of bishop any young man should seek ordination from.
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I pinned this thread a few days ago when someone was asking for Resistance Mass locations, but new information has been provided and the directory has not been updated. So, it seems this is an out-of-date resource. If anyone knows of a better one, let me know.
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Yes indeed.
As I said above: to anyone using this directory, CAVEAT EMPTOR. You never know, you might head to one of its "resistance chapels" and end up with an under-educated, Thuc-line priest who doesn't work with any of the Resistance bishops.
And that, my friends, would NOT be a good thing.
Fr. Francis was primarily "educated" at Fr. Pfeiffer's lame excuse for a seminary. Need I say more? Validity is NOT the only factor in securing a priest to say Mass, boys and girls. A decent priestly education and formation is far from optional.
The Council of Trent required that priests be formed at Seminaries from henceforward. The Crisis in the Church doesn't dispense from this requirement. Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX certainly didn't think so. So anyone in the Resistance (which is nothing more or less than the old-school SSPX) should agree.
A Tridentine Mass needs a Tridentine priest -- and that means one formed at a seminary. Quo Primum says we need the Tridentine Mass, and the Council of Trent says our priests MUST be formed in seminaries. We can't pick and choose what Traditional Catholics must believe. We must accept ALL of the Catholic Faith; ALL of Tradition. The body of Tradition most certainly includes the Council of Trent!
Has someone tried e-mailing Samuel about this trojan horse chapel? Samuel stormed off in a huff months ago because I wouldn't force CathInfo members to be dogmatic sedeplenists, so he probably doesn't read the forum anymore.
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To all the women in the K. clan, who run the chapel in question with Fr. Francis M:
You just don't like the truth about your priest. You are going to have an uphill battle convincing any prospective parishioners about the training, validity, and/or suitability of Fr. Francis. Even if you convinced me right now, I would only be one person. You'd still have an uphill battle going forward.
My main point is that your chapel/priest is not Resistance. And he isn't. That isn't an attack, that's a simple fact. You can call it an independent chapel, but to claim it's Resistance is to try to ride on the coattails of our movement.
How long was Fr. Francis in the SSPX seminary? That's how many years of actual priestly training he's had. A priest is supposed to have 6 years. If he's already had an awesome classical education (Greek, Latin, philosophy, classics, etc. like Bishop Williamson) he might skip Philosophy and study for only 4 years.
Stating an unpleasant fact with candor isn't the same thing as an attack, name calling, or lack of charity. Confusing those two is Pfeifferite nonsense.
And my conscience and the virtue of Charity demands that I clarify this, since Samuel isn't updating his outdated directory. It would be a disaster for an old SSPX/Resistance supporter to end up at a completely non-Resistance chapel, with a poorly trained (at least!) priest, due to my own laziness or fault.
P.S. I should also point out, for the third-parties who read this, that I've never met or argued with a K. male online, except for Stephen who went to Fr. Pfeiffer's "seminary". He probably wanted to get away from the strong female domination in his home. But I've met at least 2 females from the K. clan on CathInfo -- they are all strong women to say the least -- they are concerned with the world outside the home, controversies in religion, the Resistance, running an independent chapel, etc. I have to ask: Where are all the men, whose job this is? I've met the patriarch of the family (N____) several times, and he's quite meek and quiet. I must point out that this (objective) disorder is another, minor, icing-on-the-cake reason to reject your (female) choice of Fr. Francis as a good priest. How could you possibly judge his suitability, education, etc. as a man would? Such important decisions are for men, not women who God created more emotional and hence they easily fall for a pious exterior with plenty of problems under the surface. How many years were you in the seminary?
But even if a man had chosen thus poorly, it wouldn't make a random independent chapel into a Resistance chapel. That is the issue here. There is a reason why none of the (4) Resistance bishops thought it was a good idea to ordain Fr. Francis at this point in time. I have no idea what their reasons were, but they obviously had good reason(s).
Women should be silent in the Churches, and if they wish to know any thing, they should ask their husbands at home, or learn from other men. Hey, don't get mad at me, take it up with St. Paul! :)
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Bump!