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« on: February 18, 2013, 02:43:43 AM »
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  • I'm re-posting this here, since the new Resistance Chapel sub-forum is not noticed by most people.


    Quote from: Seraphim
    A friend of mine came up with this list.

    Thought it might be helpful for planning purposes at other resistance chapels:



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    Vestments:

    Amice       
    Alb (tall, medium, short)
    Cincture
    4 main colors (+black and Rose)
    Chasuble
    Maniple
    Related to above
    Cassock
    Surplice


    Supplies:

    Wine
    Spring Water
    Priests Host
    Hosts for Communion of the Faithful
    Charcoal
    Coffee Can (for spent charcoal)
    Incense
    Aluminum Foil (for thurible)
    Altar Boy
    Tabernacle Veil
    Chalice Veil
    Burse
             

    Longer Term:

    Altar         
    Palms
    Relics         
    Ashes (or make from palms)
    Altar Cloths       
    Candle Lighter
    Purificators      
    Wax tapers for Candle Lighter
    Lavabo Towel      
    Thurible
    Corporals         
    Tongs
    Altar Cards (3)      
    Lighter
    Six Candlesticks (start with 2)   
    Baptism Candles
    Candles (Bleached/Unbleached)   
    Incense Boat
    Missale Romanum      
    Incense Spoon
    Chalice         
    Processional Cruxifix
    Chalice Veil (listed above)   
    Chalice Paten
    Ciborium   
    Paten for Communion   
    Dalmatics
    Paten Carrying Case   
    Water and Wine Cruets   
    Votive Candles
    Lavabo Bowl      
    Breviary
    Bells   
    2 Kneelers (for communion)

    Rite of Marriage      
    Rite of Baptism      
    Rite of Funerals   
    Vesting prayers
    Martyrology


    Ritual:
             
    Bowl for washing of the fingers (on altar)
    Card for Prayers After Low Mass         
    Card for Benediction      


    Additional:

    Card for Altar Server (untrained)   
    Cope
    Humeral Veil


    More permanent:   

    Communion Rail   
    Altar   
    Tabernacle   
    Pews   
    Holy Water Fonts
    Organ         
    Tabernacle
    Statues   



    Thurible Stand
    Monstrance
    Lunette (Holds host in Monstrance)
    Lunette holder (for in tabernacle)
    Aspergellum (water sprinkler)
    Baptismal Shell for pouring water
          
    Oil Stocks [stock market?!]

             Pyx
             Torches (2, 4 or 6)
             Processional Candlesticks

             
             Really longer term:

             Advent Wreath
             Advent Candles
             Easter Candle
             Long thin candles for Blessing Throats
             Congregation Candles (with Wax catchers)
             Missal Booklets for visitors
             Marriage Rite for Faithful
             Funeral Rite for Faithful

             
             Super Long-term:

             Rite of Ordination
             Bowls and Towels for washing of the "Apostles" feet on Holy Thursday
             Dalmatic (all liturgical colors)
             Deacon's stole
             Deacon's Maniple
             Ash Holders
             Sub-deacon vestments (I think it's a tunicle? & maniple)
             Vesting Prayer Card
             Extra Veils

             



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    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 02:44:52 AM »
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  • While it's good to know that you eventually need a Baptistery, large statues, a marble altar, stained glass windows (etc), those things are "when I win the lottery" pipe dreams for 100% of Resistance chapels, and probably will be for the next 10 years or so.

    What I'm more interested in is the stuff you need to have a normal-looking Mass at your Resistance chapel.

    It's easy to put cinder blocks under a regular wooden, full-size conference table and drape it with bedsheets, etc. so you can't see the ugly frame. With proper altar linens on top, and a painted wooden board propped up behind it (where you attach a good-sized crucifix), your makeshift altar can look quite nice!

    But other things would really be helpful, even in the short term. For example, Father had to hand a corporal to the altar server to use for a paten at our Mass here. I wish I had known that their Mass kit didn't include a server paten.

    I have no idea what kind of cruets they normally use, since I bought some before they got here. Did you know that 10 oz. is the perfect size? I got lucky. Nowhere does anyone talk about details like that. Also, on Amazon.com you need to buy them in packs of 6 for a total cost of $28.

    They only had 1 serving of Mass wine left. How does one acquire Mass wine? Are there any regulations on what kind of grape wine is used? Can the wine have sulfites, or does it have to be sulfite-free? Is there a preferred brand?

    They also don't have regular Mass candles. They used a couple small red votive candles on the altar -- it didn't look very normal. Brass candlesticks are pretty cheap, but what size/diameter are the candles, and what type do they have to be? I think it's 51% beeswax. But what diameter are they usually? What is a good source for them?

    For Ashes, they needed a bowl, towel, cake of soap, and water to clean up afterwards. They used water from the water cruet, since it was large enough. I wish I had thought of some of these things beforehand.

    They need a missal stand. Just a piece of wood that props the missal up -- it can't be very expensive. But we had to use a throw pillow since we didn't have one.

    Stations of the Cross -- we printed out some black & white stations, and laminated each one with a nice lamination machine we have. We still need 14 small wooden crosses to be able to properly have Stations (with the indulgences and everything).

    Recording equipment! I really messed this one up. If you don't have a friend with nice recording equipment (or just in case that friend doesn't show up for some reason), at least have a laptop, tablet, or phone handy to catch the audio. Use common sense -- place it next to the priest, or as close as possible, and try to minimize noise in the chapel during the sermon.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 09:36:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew

    They only had 1 serving of Mass wine left. How does one acquire Mass wine? Are there any regulations on what kind of grape wine is used? Can the wine have sulfites, or does it have to be sulfite-free? Is there a preferred brand?


    We use a dry white table wine at our chapel which has no additives and no sugar.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 11:21:24 AM »
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  • All excellent points, Matthew!  

    One overlooked item is incense.  For you can have "incense" and still
    not be prepared, because these days it's far too easy to end up with
    the WRONG KIND of incense!


    This has caught a number of chapels by surprise.  Only particular incense
    is appropriate for the Latin Rite.  It is properly frankinsense resin grains,
    which goes back to the tradition of ancient Greek and Roman use.  
    Frankinsense (representing kingship or royalty) was one of the 3 gifts the
    Magi brought to the baby Jesus in Bethlehem;  the other two were myrrh
    (for embalming) and gold.

    I've heard of chapels where the priest tried to substitute some other kind
    of incense and all kinds of problems result.  One place had a portion of the
    congregation walking outside because they were unable to breathe smelling
    the imposter incense.  Apparently they had some kind of allergic reaction.
    One priest told me that God does not want "foreign incense" just as He does
    not want strange gods before Him!  (Apparently frankinsense from Oman,
    Yemen and Somalia is not "foreign.")

    But the little coal cakes are generic enough, for it's just coal.  You can get
    them at any shop that sells incense supplies like Indian or Buddhist supplies.
    Oddly enough, such pagan shops are much more common than Catholic
    supply shops, all over the world!  


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    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 11:41:10 AM »
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  • Duplicate thread in the Resistance Chapels sub-forum.
     <<----(click here)


    (That, above, is a link that you can click on to go to the other thread, in
    case you would like to find it without using the SEARCH feature or hunt
    through 36 pages of index titles.)



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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 03:20:58 PM »
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  • You spell "incense" correctly, but continually misspell "Frankincense"

    It's just Frank-incense.

    Frankinsense sounds like a sixth sense or special power (like Spider Man's "spider sense") that Frankenstein has.

    "My Frankinsense tells me that he's very close by."
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    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »
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  • I found another problem --

    Your average 1" diameter, 51% beeswax altar candle is usually sold in bundles of 18 or even 24.

    Way too much to stock up for a small chapel that still needs "everything".

    It's a shame one group couldn't buy them in bulk like this, and then be a distributor to other Resistance chapels who could then purchase 2 or 4 of them at a time.

    Foot long, 1" 51% beeswax candles come out to just $3.70 each. Easy for any chapel to afford!  But let's see you find a place that sells them individually.

    You need either $68 on Amazon.com or $87 (plus shipping) from Root Candle company. You get a lot of them, yes -- but you still need that much cash up front. And while $70 or $90 isn't a lot for those who have jobs, etc. you have to remember: that's just for candles.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 05:32:22 PM »
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  • Hands-down, the best and most affordable site for top quality, new vestments.

    PS: Most chasubles also come with burse, maniple, stole, and chalice veil in matching color/design!!!

    http://www.susanmaria.com/page/page/661082.htm
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    « Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 06:17:05 PM »
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  • I am not so sure.

    She sells a priestly hat for $US260 + $20 shipping and the same hat can be purchased for the equivalent of $US40 here http://www.chasubles.eu/

    Also compare prices for the very same, identical bishop's hat:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/7150274/8997259.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/mitre-all-colours-767.html


    And then this identical white chasuble:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/662514/9043569.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/roman-chasuble-all-colours-426.html

    Shocking.
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    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

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    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 06:48:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: JMacQ
    I am not so sure.

    She sells a priestly hat for $US260 + $20 shipping and the same hat can be purchased for the equivalent of $US40 here http://www.chasubles.eu/

    Also compare prices for the very same, identical bishop's hat:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/7150274/8997259.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/mitre-all-colours-767.html


    And then this identical white chasuble:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/662514/9043569.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/roman-chasuble-all-colours-426.html

    Shocking.


    That is indeed a big price difference!

    It had not occurred to me to search European options. :cowboy:
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    « Reply #10 on: February 18, 2013, 07:17:25 PM »
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  • I bought a few items to start a private chapel at home if needed some day (we never know......). Paypal, fast service, vestments look very nice.
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

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    « Reply #11 on: February 18, 2013, 07:39:44 PM »
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  • I've been buying 100% pure beeswax candles 7/8" with self fitting bottoms from Will & Baumer Candles here in Canada but they bring them in from their parent company in the US.
    They are just under $100.00 for 24  Last invoice $3.83 each.
    Just as cheap as the 51% listed in an earlier post.
    They also have incense, altar wafers and much more.

    Here is the U.S. website

    http://www.willbaumer.com/


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    The best site I've seen for price on vestments is CatholicLiturgicals.com. They are out of India but the price even after shipping is still a good deal cheaper than any other site I've seen and the quality is excellent for the price. Of course, for $100 for an entire 5 piece vestment set including shipping, there is only so much you can expect. Also, the owner of the company is very honest and decent.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 07:17:02 AM »
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    Great info everyone!

    Here are some more candle prices:

    1). unbleached 100% - zaksbees on Ebay 24 100% 10 inch x 7/8 for $56 including shipping.

    2). white 100% - southern-wholesale-division on Ebay 24 10 inch x 7/8 for $90 including shipping

    3). white 51% - adoremus_books on Ebay 24 12 inch x 7/8 for $63 including shipping

    It seems like there has to be a cheaper option for the 51% since 100% is not that much more expensive.

    Anyone have a cheap source for brass followers?


    On vestments, the cheapest, most bare bones but acceptable 5-piece sets I've seen are $70 including shipping per on Ebay from seller fwcrow:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rose-Fiddleback-Vestment-Set-/321047634023?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abfee2067  

    Yes, but he does not seem to be a supplier, he was just reselling a previously owned set of vestments.

    " Condition: Used: An item that has been used previously. "
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    « Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 07:40:05 AM »
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    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 02:41:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    Quote from: JMacQ
    I am not so sure.

    She sells a priestly hat for $US260 + $20 shipping and the same hat can be purchased for the equivalent of $US40 here http://www.chasubles.eu/

    Also compare prices for the very same, identical bishop's hat:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/7150274/8997259.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/mitre-all-colours-767.html


    And then this identical white chasuble:

    http://www.susanmaria.com/catalog/item/662514/9043569.htm
    http://www.chasubles.eu/en/roman-chasuble-all-colours-426.html

    Shocking.


    That is indeed a big price difference!

    It had not occurred to me to search European options. :cowboy:


    Wonder how long shipping from the EU to the USA takes?
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