Author Topic: The Ablutions (Read 2003 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2016, 05:20:20 AM »

Well, I doubt he's an alcoholic, and it seems like this is something he just started doing for no reason since he and all the priests have always celebrates both 7:30 and 10:00 Masses.

When I served as a kid, every priest I ever served for always used both water and wine. I guess I was wondering if this is only at my chapel or if it's going on at all SSPX chapels.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2016, 05:48:02 AM »

This is interesting. It does seem to be for no reason though I'm sure he has a reason; it's just not known. He probably doesn't realize that this is even noticed by the faithful. Priests should, however, be aware that their every move on the altar really is noticed by people. Most people don't get too bent out of shape about things--after all, with all the Masses a priest says, the people realize that things happen and they aren't concerned. But when a priest starts doing something new, and it becomes consistent, it will be noticed.

I know that wine is not used in the ablutions in the Novus Ordo (whether the rubrics call for it I don't know, but I know that I've never seen it used). I remember that I specifically noticed the use of wine at the ablutions when I first started to attend the traditional Mass because it was another significant difference. I'm sure that this isn't a factor, just that it is an interesting fact in connection with the ablutions.

ark of covenant · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2016, 06:33:29 AM »

Priests can also be dispensed from the wine in the 2nd ablutions due to genuine medical conditions e.g. diabetes, gout etc.

moneil · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2016, 08:09:06 PM »

It occurred to me that I have a book that might explain this: “Matters Liturgical”, a translation of the “Collectio Reum Liturgicarum” by Rev. Joseph Wuest, C.SS.R, first published in 1889.; translated by Rev. Thomas Mullaney, C.SS.R.; re-arranged and enlarged by Rev. William Barry, C.SS.R., S.S.L. My eight edition of the English edition was published in 1955.

From the Third Part, Sacred Rites: The Mass, The Parts of the Mass, 240 The Ablutions:

c) “If a priest celebrates two or three Masses on the same day but not in immediate succession, he shall take the wine of the first ablution and the wine and water of the second ablution at the last Mass only. At the preceding Mass or Masses he can take the two ablutions in the usual way and saying the usual prayers, except that only water may be used for each ablution (PIUS XII: CONST. OF JAN. 6, 1953 AD IV; HOLY OFFICE: INSTR. OF JAN. 6 1953 AD 7;…)”.

There were simplified rubrics introduced in 1960, which were incorporated in the 1962 Roman Missal. Perhaps the above instruction was modified by these, but I really don’t know. The 1960 rubrics were in affect when I began serving but we were trained by older priests who often retained their old habits.