Author Topic: Request for Bishop Ambrose Moran Summary (Read 3358 times)

Patrick JK Gray · « **on:** October 26, 2015, 04:54:23 PM »

UPDATE: There is a thread containing links to ALL the threads about so-called Bishop Ambrose Moran:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-Mr-Ambrose-Moran-the-Orthodox

The volume of work undertaken on the legitimacy, or otherwise, of the gentleman who claims to be Bishop Ambrose Moran (either Fr William or Fr Basil before his consecration? He also seems to have been a monk, hence the 'Basil'), is substantial, but rather confusing for the outsider. I mean no insult to the work done by members.

I find the position of Fr Pfeiffer gravely concerning and don't agree with it one jot. I would not attend his Masses in this country.

As far as I can follow it he has moved from one schismatic sect to another and used various titles, as well as moving and in and out of the Church. As things are still being discovered or worked out, this would probably be a request to be completed in the future.

As a service to the Church, could someone publish the information (photos, letters, research with schismatic prelates) in the threads as a piece of continuous prose at some time in the future?

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:17:44 PM »

OK, I'll try.

Sometime in September 2015 a guy who calls himself Archbishop Ambrose Moran showed up in Boston, KY with Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko. Here is a summary of his claims:

Quote from: obscurus

Here are some points about this video:

1) Claims to have been ordained in the Ukrainian Catholic church
2) Claims to have been consecrated by "other bishops" but then claims to have been consecrated by Josyf Cardinal Slipyj in secret
3) Claims to have worked periodically with Fr. Francis Fenton who founded ORCM in the 70s
4) Claims to have been given a general mission to work with Latin-rite Catholics and presumably said the Traditional Latin Mass in that time
5) Claims to have been given some general mission to work for Church Unity with the Ukrainian Orthodox
6) Claims to have contacted Archbishop Lefebvre in the 70s and 80s
7) Claims to have told ABL to help with co-consecrating bishops in the 80s when ABL told him he had a co-consecrator.
8) ABL apparently told Bishop Ambrose Moran to work quietly in the wings
9) At the 28:30 mark he says that he worked in union with but not in opposition with the work of ABL which Pope John Paul 2 was aware of

* A minor point but does the photo at the 22:29 look real?

* How does any of this add up with the info we can read online on this bishop where it seems he was part of various "Orthodox" groups?

(obscurus) - forgot to post my username

But here is another most excellent summary:

Quote from: Guest

Prince Regent of Serbia
Successor of Cardinal Slipyj
Papal privilege
Metropolitan of Kiev
Archbishop of New York
Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria
Two doctorates
Theologian
World leading expert in neuropsychiatry
High studies with Salesians, Russian Jesuits, Rome, Fordham, Maryknoll, Bacon College, Columbia University
Friend of presidents, important contacts with the Vatican and Pentagon

And Lord Archbishop of Titipu!

Now, pretty much all of the claims have been disproved with the possible exception of the Lord Archbishop of Titipu title.

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:21:16 PM »

Here is my contribution, from a while ago:

So after many threads, thousands of pageviews, hundreds of posts finding all kinds of problems with Ambrose Moran, we have the following summary:

1. Ambrose Moran might not even be a priest or bishop
2. But he is almost certainly a con man
3. Basic psychology (behavior and body language while talking) reveals him to be lying
4. He has huge gaps in his past; his whole resume is a bunch of "references" (photos) that you can't call!
5. At least one photo (with Cardinal Slipyj) is morally certain to have been doctored, according to the independent opinions of dozens of laymen and clerics, including many with knowledge of Photoshop techniques
6. He's not even a good con man: does he not know that we Traditional Catholics dislike John Paul II? A lot of his own testimony paints him as a perfect fit in the Novus Ordo. Great...so you don't belong here!
7. As Fr. Chazal pointed out -- he was ordained in secret, trained as a spy (really? You're really claiming to be a spy with all kinds of links to famous people? Remind us why we shouldn't laugh at your claims...) so he could go into Russia...but then tucked tail and hid in the United States? Um...last I checked, the Soviet Union fell in 1991, not 1981 or 1976. So you and Cardinal Slipyj thought there was a need for a covert bishop to go work there...but then what, you got scared? Changed your mind?
8. We have testimony from several who dealt with him in the past that he is a fraud.
9. We have testimony from some others of his contacts that he wasn't there, they don't know him, etc. (he didn't officiate at that wedding, for example)
10. His other surname is most disturbing: Dolgorouky is the surname of a famous fraudulent royalty, Prince Alexis Dolgorouky of "Sealand", a man-made hunk of metal "island" off the coast of Britain.
Here is the quote: In 1969, by means of a passport he obtained from the artificial island of "Sealand", Alexis metamorphosized into the "Prince Romanov Dolgorouki". [The owner of the island] sold nobiliary titles to enterprising individuals each of which came with a passport from the "Principality of Sealand". It was thus that on 4 June 1969 Alexis obtained passport No. 6949 in the name of "His Highness Prince Alexis Romanov Dolgorouki". One of his most notable successes was to convince the Metropolitan of the Carpatho-Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church in America, Archbishop Ambrosij, of his authenticity as a Romanov and a Dolgorouki.
11. And much more, too many to list!
12. No cleric or prominent layman OUTSIDE THE BOSTON, KY GROUP takes Ambrose Moran seriously. Hundreds of independent minds have come to the same conclusion -- except those who brains are plugged into the "hive mind" headquartered in Boston.
13. Ambrose Moran, you got a phone call while you were gone -- from a guy named "Occam's Razor"

So we have established with at least moral certainty that this "bishop" is doubtful, fraudulent, and bad news.

Add in a few things my wife came up with -- the stationary being the same, the signatures (a lot goes under that heading!) and you've got quite a case.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2015, 10:45:28 PM »

We also have the testimony of both the Eparchy of Toronto and the Eparchy of Stamford CT that Moran is neither a bishop nor a priest.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2015, 04:31:43 AM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

Quote from: Guest
Prince Regent of Serbia
Successor of Cardinal Slipyj
Papal privilege
Metropolitan of Kiev
Archbishop of New York
Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria
Two doctorates
Theologian
World leading expert in neuropsychiatry
High studies with Salesians, Russian Jesuits, Rome, Fordham, Maryknoll, Bacon College, Columbia University
Friend of presidents, important contacts with the Vatican and Pentagon

And Lord Archbishop of Titipu!

Now, pretty much all of the claims have been disproved with the possible exception of the Lord Archbishop of Titipu title.

Both of those summaries were good, and the summary Fr. Chazal gives is really good.

They forgot "leading scientist of neuroscience".

Patrick JK Gray · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2015, 05:15:37 AM »

Thank you. I shall listen to Fr Chazal's video -- I have no doubts about the man since I read your summaries, he is a fraud. Neither a Bishop nor a priest. May the good Lord help us.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2015, 05:53:40 AM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

Quote from: Recusant
Honestly, let's not turn this thread into something with frivolous posts. I suggest everyone keep their posts serious and perhaps pin it. Remember the man is sick and still has an immortal soul that our Lord and Lady want saved.

Sir, are not the man's own claims fantastical? He is not being mocked here. We are sheep, sir, not shepherds. When the shepherds' themselves bring in the wolf we sheep by instinct will start to bleat. Bleating is not a pretty sound.

What I am saying is that this thread is supposed to be a list of Moran's misdeeds. Posts should be kept to the point so when someone needs to find information on this miscreant it can be easily located and one will not have to rummage through tons of unnecessary posts.

BTW: I'm not a stick in the mud nor am I a very holy person so I do find many of the posts humorous, but I also think there is a time and place for it and I need to keep reminding myself of how awful of a sinner I am.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2015, 06:38:17 AM »

When I read the post from Matthew, I am reminded of all the supposed secret, un-traditional, and incredible claims of Malachi Martin. A lot of traditional Catholics seemed to love him in spite of the fact that he wasn't traditional, didn't wear clerical garb, and claimed to know all kinds of things that would shock us if we only knew (but, of course, he was not at liberty to disclose).

The only difference I can see in the two is that Malachi Martin was more credible than this fellow who seems to have found a niche with a group of traditionalists who "need" a bishop and are willing to overlook any facts to get someone who claims to be one.

LucasL · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2015, 06:40:18 AM »

There are two major threads where there all the evidence, pictures, letters, signatures etc

If we go there we may paste (quote) here
There are so many pages on the thread but it's worth. Unfortunately I never organized the evidence, all files I have are all over the place.

The thread I'm taking about is the one started on Oct 11 or 12

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2015, 08:55:28 AM »

Quote from: LucasL

Quote
Prince Regent of Serbia
Successor of Cardinal Slipyj
Papal privilege
Metropolitan of Kiev
Archbishop of New York
Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria
Two doctorates (in psychology!)
Theologian
World leading expert in neuropsychiatry
High studies with Salesians, Russian Jesuits, Rome, Fordham, Maryknoll, Bacon College, Columbia University
Friend of presidents, important contacts with the Vatican and Pentagon

Slipyj sent him to the USSR to set up a underground facility
The New Saint Josaphat by John Paul II

:roll-laugh1:

:roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh1:

Hey, get your facts straight.

That's "St. Josaphat the New".

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2015, 10:37:05 PM »

I trimmed the main Ambrose thread into 55 pages (down from 68).

Also, I made a PDF version for easily offline viewing:

114 pages, 165 MB
http://www.cathinfo.com/ambrose.pdf

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:37:12 AM »

Quote from: Recusant

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
Quote from: Recusant
Honestly, let's not turn this thread into something with frivolous posts. I suggest everyone keep their posts serious and perhaps pin it. Remember the man is sick and still has an immortal soul that our Lord and Lady want saved.

Sir, are not the man's own claims fantastical? He is not being mocked here. We are sheep, sir, not shepherds. When the shepherds' themselves bring in the wolf we sheep by instinct will start to bleat. Bleating is not a pretty sound.

What I am saying is that this thread is supposed to be a list of Moran's misdeeds. Posts should be kept to the point so when someone needs to find information on this miscreant it can be easily located and one will not have to rummage through tons of unnecessary posts.

BTW: I'm not a stick in the mud nor am I a very holy person so I do find many of the posts humorous, but I also think there is a time and place for it and I need to keep reminding myself of how awful of a sinner I am.

OK, I misinterpretted "frivolous" as "silly". You meant extraneous.

I agree. :cheers: