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Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2017, 09:18:52 PM »
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  • I watched the whole video. It makes both Menz and the Resistance look like pedo-harboring hypocrites. I'm sure part two will be worse, since the media always seems to build up slowly to a shocking and more memorable climax. That this comes out in the ambushing media (there has been some talk about it on forums in the past)  only at this point goes to show that some faction is desperate to put a hitch in the re-unification and smear the resistance for good measure. Regardless of timing, this is ugly and may get even more so before it's over. All that aside, any priests with such blemishes on their backgrounds need to be removed and kept away from our faithful. In the video, +Faure's attempt to explain keeping one particular priest makes for a nifty soundbite to be used by anti-trad forces. imo +Fellay better steel himself for part 2.


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    « Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 09:39:52 PM »
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  • I watched the whole video.


    +Faure's attempt to explain keeping one particular priest makes for a nifty soundbite to be used by anti-trad forces.


    imo +Fellay better steel himself for part 2.



    Part II airs next week, and will cover the rapes of children at Post Falls by Kevin Sloniker.
    I wonder if Fr. Vassal will be watching...



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    Producers divided their research into two episodes, one of which will air tonight (Wednesday), the second one next week. The second episode deals with the case of the former seminarian, Kevin Gerard Sloniker, who is today in prison.



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    « Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 09:49:28 PM »
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  • I think it will be very interesting to see if this Swedish team of journalists got some of the victims families in Post Falls to talk about what happened, and to talk about Fr. Vassal's inactions.


    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/oct/28/trucker-who-molested-boys-from-his-church-will-spe/

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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 10:20:55 PM »
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  • Let the Victims speak.  Scandal will come, and let it out!

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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 11:22:17 PM »
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    Perhaps I am idiot for not understanding how to watch the TV on the internet as you so charitably put it. 

    Your bitter zeal has blinded you. I plainly stated that i was talking about the English priest. I did not talk about the others because i did not know any FACTS about them and will not rely on an extremely anti Catholic member of the vile media who is a proven liar. 

    Have you ever checked any of the 'facts' with any of our bishops before you detract from their good name?  I have checked with Bp Williamson. He has not ever met the French priest who is claimed to be living with him. So that's one big lie exposed. What else has been made up ?  Taking away someone's good name is akin to murderer as we read in Scripture. 


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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #35 on: April 07, 2017, 12:27:43 AM »
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  • 1. This is not CathInfo's first expose on a topic like this. We've been there, done that, got the T-shirt. We've talked about St. Gertrude the Great in Cincinnati, OH, Immaculate Conception Academy in Post Falls, and others. We should be experts now in handling something like this. I personally have learned a lot.

    2. The source is clearly an anti-Catholic, anti-Tradition hit piece. Some have, nevertheless, embraced this as their cause du jour, and formed a virtual lynch mob against +Williamson, etc. without so much as asking for their side of the story first! *cough* Mw2016 *cough*

    3. As always, the only useful contributions to a thread like this are from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, and adding proof (facts and Internet research) to the community body of knowledge, for the sake of souls and the common good.

    4. As always, rumor mongering, starting rumors, gossip are forbidden. The same goes for name-dropping people who aren't involved in any way. For example, "Who could Fr. P be?" and following up with several guesses. Would you want your name mentioned several times in a thread discussing pedophilia? I didn't think so.

    5. Unwelcome and unhelpful, yet not strictly forbidden: useless interjections like "Pedo priests should not have access to our children!" or "Something needs to be done to protect the children!" You don't say! I think we can all agree on these no-brainer directives. You might as well add something purely emotional, like the famous "Think of the children!"

    6. Unadvisable and possibly sinful: convicting a priest or bishop in the court of your own mind, without even giving him a chance to speak on his own behalf. Double demerits if the charges came about by the agency of a clearly anti-Catholic source, and you chose to believe the words of anti-Catholics rather than the default goodness ("benefit of the doubt") of the priest/bishop in question!

    7. You do know what benefit of the doubt means, right? It means that every priest and bishop is good, unless we have hard evidence BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT which forces us to believe otherwise. Everyone is entitled to this charitable "benefit of the doubt". Everyone gets to start out, by default, as a good guy. Even the Freemasonic, protestant United States got this one right: "Innocent until proven guilty".

    8. Related to point #1, the issue of SCOPE has come up. If a scandal breaks in Ohio, is it lawful to spread it all over a United States message board? I had to figure this one out. Considering there is a lot of internal churn in the United States (moving is easy), Traditional Catholics move across the country all the time to be near a school, and there are no Ohio Trad Catholic message boards... I decided the answer was "Yes". But when you make your scope too broad, you get into a situation where you don't know what you're talking about. What do I know about the Trad scene in France? You can fit my knowledge of the French Traditional scene into a very small thimble. And frankly, the same goes for 99.9% of the other members of CathInfo.
    So how can we have a useful, legitimate discussion about events which we know nothing about? All we can do is emote, wave our pitchforks, and string 'em up!

    9. Mob mentality is a real thing. Ask any psychologist. You also can't reason with a mob. That's why I have to forbid lynch mobs on CathInfo -- a mob mentality prohibits reasonable discussion. And if you can't have reasonable discussion on a discussion forum, then what is it good for? Nothing. A forum is ONLY useful for intelligent, rational discussion. That's why, as a matter of course, I have to ban people who prove they are high on emotion and low on reason.

    10. CathInfo does not host lynch mobs, and CathInfo will not be used as a virtual courtroom to try, convinct, and/or execute priests or bishops "in absentia". If you have evidence, then post it. Otherwise, hold your peace. Silence is golden.
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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #36 on: April 07, 2017, 12:37:41 AM »
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  • The docuмentary talks about two other French priests, who live in France - one in Paris, SSPX and one Resistance in Bordeaux.
    You probably would do well to watch it.

    You do realize how ridiculous it is for a Trad to wave around -- not her Trent catechism or his Bible -- her remote control and point to her TV set? Trads aren't even supposed to have a TV, or at least not trust the Mainstream Media which is owned by тαℓмυdic Jєωs, who are enemies of God from the beginning.
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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #37 on: April 07, 2017, 12:43:43 AM »
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  • Wow. I'm really glad I watched the docuмentary, because I otherwise would not have known how easy it is to get away with molesting kids in traditional circles. This is very unsettling. If the Society had handled convicted pedophiles in the first place, the young man in the piece never would have been molested.   


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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #38 on: April 07, 2017, 01:26:00 AM »
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  • Seems the Pope is acting swiftly on these type of allegations. He may not like the bad press that will accompany the announcement of a reconciliation as the affair hits Catholic and possibly mainstream media. The Church's enemies would no doubt rub his nose in it..

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/06/french-bishop-fired-over-inappropriate-behavior-with-youth.html

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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #39 on: April 07, 2017, 01:27:11 AM »
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  • The docuмentary makes no such claim.
    The docuмentary talks about Fr. Abraham who lives with Bp. Williamson, which is true.
    The docuмentary talks about two other French priests, who live in France - one in Paris, SSPX and one Resistance in Bordeaux.
    You probably would do well to watch it.
    I watched the whole video. It seems that if they would really have wanted to expose the truth and make a serious investigative work, they should have caught up with their own contradiction. This was not a "live", spur of the moment, video.

    There are some very disturbing elements in the video, though, and they seem based on facts. But it also seems that they got carried away and became un-professional at some point, like trying to capitalize from some elements of truth, and building a whole charge against the very essence of the Society and the Resistance.

    And it was the same journalist who interviewed Bishop Williamson in november 2008. The bishop said that "evidence shows that no Jєωs died in the gas chambers, nor because of a system set-up by Hitler. and not six millions" (or words to that effect). The media then said: "Bishop Williamson denies the h0Ɩ0cαųst". Now, that was NOT what the bishop had been saying. He has not said that NO Jєωs died during WWII! Just that they didn't die in the gas chambers, and not in such great numbers as are currently alleged, and not as the result of system set-up by Hitler. That is not the same thing as saying that no Jєωs died!

    This shows that the technique of good liars is always the same: Build your case on the foundation of some elements of truth, and go from there to extrapolate, exaggerate, and condemn. The real purpose of the video is not to save children. It is to show that the Society, and the Resistance, are two fringe, extremist, right-wing, break-away "Catholic" groups that are breeding pedophiles and are protecting them, and that such groups are not following Vatican guidelines on the matter, and therefore they should not be allowed to re-enter the Church.

    Basically, the video wants the viewer to make a broad general and sweeping conclusion: "Traditionalist groups are bad for children. Parents of victims are afraid to complain, because these traditionalist groups are cults. This is also why these priests protect each other. This has to stop! Such groups should become illegal, as they cannot reform themselves! The Vatican is also guilty by knowing these cases and still trying to re-integrate the SSPX"

    I am a hardliner against pedophilia, and am for the strict application of the old canon law. But before to do that, we have to be sure that the accused receives a fair trial.

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    Re: Report charges cover-up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse by traditionalist society
    « Reply #40 on: April 07, 2017, 01:34:00 AM »
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  • I watched the whole video. At first they said that Fr. M was still in the SSPX and based in Paris. But later on, after about 3/4 of the video, they do say that he is now with Fr. S. and Bishop Williamson in Broadstairs.
    You're going to have to produce a timestamp for that.

    If the video DID indeed say that, then we have here at least one bald-faced lie. From the mainstream media no less! Oh, how unbelievable that the mainstream media should utter a falsehood!

    ::)

    UPDATE: I got to the bottom of it. Having watched the video myself, I figured out the source of confusion.

    The video shifts gears, to try to prove that "Montgardin" is a de-facto SSPX prison for priest-criminals. The priest who "joined Bishop Williamson's Resistance in France" is a man who had a disagreement with Bishop Fellay -- a spiritual/Faith-related matter -- and was accused of being rebellious.

    Nevertheless, this anti-Catholic hit piece BLURRED OUT THE MAN'S FACE as if he was a criminal, even though the entire roster of pictures should have been blurred out for the same reason: "rebellion" against Bishop Fellay. All the men in the photo are Resistance -- they all rebelled and went against Bishop Fellay! If joining the Resistance makes you a criminal (complete with needing to blur out your face, to maintain anonymity) then ALL the priests should have their faces blurred out!

    This is an example of the sensationalism, lies, distortions, and exaggerations you find in the lying Mainstream Media. Don't trust the vile media!
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    « Reply #41 on: April 07, 2017, 02:15:18 AM »
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  • Here is screenshot. Note that ALL the priests in their "Resistance priest montage" are equally "guilty" as this priest. So they should all have their faces blurred like so many criminals, if joining the Resistance makes you a criminal!

    I can't emphasize this point enough. This man didn't do anything wrong. Not even a little indiscretion! How many of you caught this the first time through?

    I want you to be honest -- how many of you thought this man was a pedophile (or at least accused of such)?

    If so, congratulations! You are victim #10,345,001,837 to be deceived by the Mainstream Media.

    See the insinuation? This hit piece is calculated to confuse people and lead you to THEIR pre-determined conclusions. Sure, you and I (intelligent, rational Catholics) are able to sort out all the truth from the fiction -- but most people are going to be left with a vague impression "Tradition = bad", "Resistance = bad", "Bishop Williamson = bad", etc.

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    « Reply #42 on: April 07, 2017, 02:56:30 AM »
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  • I can't emphasize this point enough. This man didn't do anything wrong. Not even a little indiscretion! How many of you caught this the first time through?
    This non-criminal is Fr. Pinaud. The photo is taken from here: http://cristiadatradicinalista.blogspot.com/2014/01/derniere-lettre-de-mgr-fellay-labbe.html
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    « Reply #43 on: April 07, 2017, 03:35:01 AM »
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  • "Father P" is Father Philippe Peignot.

    He was included in a CathInfo thread here.
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    « Reply #44 on: April 07, 2017, 07:30:08 AM »
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  • A bit about the journalist --


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    Fegan is a well known non-christian, belonging to a core of powerful marxist/communist staff at Swedish television that hates Catholicism. I think he is of Jєωιѕн descent. Also, Bp. Arborelius invited him and Belinda Olsson to a private dinner before the interview with Bp. Williamson.

    Most probably, Bp. Arborelius as well as other high ranking progressivist(s) in the Vatican are responsible for this new docuмentary.

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