Author Topic: Remnant Spinning for the SSPX (Read 4547 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** November 27, 2016, 02:07:38 AM »

At 16:25, Matt surmises that it be God's will if the xSPX is crushed by newChurch.

Mr G · « **Reply #1 on:** November 28, 2016, 07:05:35 AM »

Here is a note from the Remnant Moderator, it is interesting that those from the FSSP are against the deal, but those in the SSPX are for it. I wonder if the SSPX will disassociate themselves from the Remnant now that they take a stronger and more open stance against "regularization":

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/remnant-television/item/2900-pope-francis-and-the-sspx-regularization
Remnant Moderator Mod Misericordia2 • 18 hours ago

Not naïve, but maybe missing the point, which is: What's the point? What is to be gained from the SSPX signing on with Bergoglio's Vatican fun-house right now? Those who think the regularized SSPX would then be in a position to REALLY fight against the revolution in the Church are simply choosing to ignore the hard reality that every single approved order of trad priests has been allowed to do one thing: provide the old Sacraments (for which we thank God). But, let's be honest, not one of them is allowed to publicly speak out against the Vatican's bizarrely anti-Catholic agenda. 'So,' you might say, 'but that's how we win this thing, by providing the old Mass and Sacraments to more people.' Well, I hope so. But what about the fact that the traditional Sacraments and Mass were everywhere mainstream in the Church in 1965 and yet look what the Modernist-dominated Vatican did--ran over them like they weren't even there. So why would this be any different? The only argument for regularization that passes the logic test starts with the premise that the SSPX is indeed in schism, and headed up by priests and bishops who are in the habit of the mortal sin of schism, and thus leading their people out of the Church and to hell. If that's the case, then regularization can't come quickly enough. But if it's not the case--and I think we all know it's not!-- then what are we really talking about here? If they're regularized there's no going back. If regularization turns out to be all that we fear it might be, then half the SSPX priests will leave and the SSPX will be decimated. And . for. WHAT? The Vatican gains control of its opposition and the revolution sprints across the finish line. All of this is meant merely to express our opinion that the SSPX never left the Church and that Bishop Fellay is right to hold his ground, keep the lines of communication with the Vatican open, and wait for the Vatican to come to its senses.

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2016, 10:28:24 AM »

Right on Mr. G! :boxer:

Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:33:39 AM »

Incred:

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Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

Alas, this is only too true. I have far greater respect for Protestant Christians like Tim Tebow and Texe Marrs, and for Orthodox Christians like Brother Nathnael Kapner, than I do for so-called "traditional Catholics" like Michael Matt and his sidekick Chris Ferrara. These men, on balance, are behaving disgracefully in my book. By their fruits you shall know them.
I am forced to re-examine my entire "traditional Catholic" position. Too much of what I see going on among putative "traditional Catholics," and, indeed, in my own "traditional Catholic" experience is, quite frankly, not passing the smell test.

Alexandria · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:43:52 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Right on Mr. G! :boxer:

Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

That is him. His father wasn't like that. I discovered The Remnant in the mid-eighties and began subscribing. Once Michael took the paper over, it changed.

The new writers in The Remant can't hold a candle to the old traditionals (i.e. Solange Hertz).

Alexandria · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:47:49 AM »

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Incred:

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Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

Alas, this is only too true. I have far greater respect for Protestant Christians like Tim Tebow and Texe Marrs, and for Orthodox Christians like Brother Nathnael Kapner, than I do for so-called "traditional Catholics" like Michael Matt and his sidekick Chris Ferrara. These men, on balance, are behaving disgracefully in my book. By their fruits you shall know them.
I am forced to re-examine my entire "traditional Catholic" position. Too much of what I see going on among putative "traditional Catholics," and, indeed, in my own "traditional Catholic" experience is, quite frankly, not passing the smell test.

I agree with you.

The scales fell from my eyes a few years ago.

The entire Church is off the rails. No matter which was you turn, there is no hiding place.

Alexandria · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:49:33 AM »

Michael Matt's livelihood is The Remant. If he comes down hard on one side or the other, there goes readership and subscriptions and his livelihood. He has a rather large family to house and feed.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2016, 01:08:18 PM »

Mr G, great points! The situation of sspx-rome is like a teenager who ran away from her parents because they're crack dealers. The parents want her to move home so she can be 'part of the family', but the teenager knows the danger/stress that would happen if they moved home. She also knows that her parents get violent when she speaks out about their drug activities and when she tries to help her younger siblings see their erros. Finally, she also knows that just because she's not living in the house, she's still 'part of the family'.

So, would you advise this teenager to move back home? I hope not. You'd probably tell her to find a better place to live and to try to save her younger siblings from the choas. ...And yet, the sspx wants to move back into this mess because 'it's God's will'. No, God never wills stupidity.

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2016, 02:06:32 PM »

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Michael Matt's livelihood is The Remant. If he comes down hard on one side or the other, there goes readership and subscriptions and his livelihood. He has a rather large family to house and feed.

Yeah, his Mom prayed for the wrong thing.

He should have stayed in a band and he would have been just fine.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2016, 03:44:14 PM »

Alexandria:

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Michael Matt's livelihood is The Remnant. If he comes down hard on one side or the other, there goes readership and subscriptions and his livelihood. He has a rather large family to house and feed.

Yes, isn't this the bottom line? One hates to view it all so coldly and pragmatically. One would like to believe that there are genuine religious and spiritual motives behind Matt's behavior. But personally, I don't find a whole lot of them.

Matt & Co., (and maybe even Vennari & Co.), are forced, it seems, to make of their "traditional Catholicism" a means of keeping life and limb together. It's their only product. If only they had a broader, more diverse line of goods. But they don't. So-called "traditional Catholicism" is it. That's all they warehouse for distribution. That's what they market. So it behooves them to keep their customer base happy.

That base, they have determined, includes Fellay and the SSPX, for sure. It may also include customers from the FSSP ranks, as well, with a few Gruner-like types, with a few NO "conservatives" thrown in; also, certain members of the Fatima crowd, excluding, of course, Bp. Williamson and anything that even smacks of (gulp!) "Resistance."

I had been uneasy about the Remnant and CFN for some time. But I saw through the entire ruse the moment that Bp. Fellay was selected to celebrate Fr. Gruner's funeral Mass. That finally did it for us. (I note parenthetically how fast +Fellay got out of Dodge the minute that event was over. Did he even attend the grave side service? I don't think so.)

Alexandria · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2016, 04:58:00 PM »

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Quote from: Alexandria
Michael Matt's livelihood is The Remant. If he comes down hard on one side or the other, there goes readership and subscriptions and his livelihood. He has a rather large family to house and feed.

Yeah, his Mom prayed for the wrong thing.

He should have stayed in a band and he would have been just fine.

:cheers:

Alexandria · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2016, 05:00:05 PM »

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Alexandria:
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Michael Matt's livelihood is The Remnant. If he comes down hard on one side or the other, there goes readership and subscriptions and his livelihood. He has a rather large family to house and feed.

Yes, isn't this the bottom line? One hates to view it all so coldly and pragmatically. One would like to believe that there are genuine religious and spiritual motives behind Matt's behavior. But personally, I don't find a whole lot of them.

Matt & Co., (and maybe even Vennari & Co.), are forced, it seems, to make of their "traditional Catholicism" a means of keeping life and limb together. It's their only product. If only they had a broader, more diverse line of goods. But they don't. So-called "traditional Catholicism" is it. That's all they warehouse for distribution. That's what they market. So it behooves them to keep their customer base happy.

That base, they have determined, includes Fellay and the SSPX, for sure. It may also include customers from the FSSP ranks, as well, with a few Gruner-like types, with a few NO "conservatives" thrown in; also, certain members of the Fatima crowd, excluding, of course, Bp. Williamson and anything that even smacks of (gulp!) "Resistance."

I had been uneasy about the Remnant and CFN for some time. But I saw through the entire ruse the moment that Bp. Fellay was selected to celebrate Fr. Gruner's funeral Mass. That finally did it for us. (I note parenthetically how fast +Fellay got out of Dodge the minute that event was over. Did he even attend the grave side service? I don't think so.)

You mention Fr. Gruner - it was the same way with him. He had to play both sides to keep the coffers filled.

klasG4e · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2016, 10:19:48 PM »

Incredulous

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Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

Neither The Remnant nor The Catholic Family News would accept advertising for the book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising by traditional Catholic Hugh Akins. I think the title of the book tells us why!

Incredulous · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:14:14 PM »

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Incredulous
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Michael Matt's been accepting the xSPX's advertising and running cover for them for the past 5-years.

Mr. Matt sells us certified kosher neo-Trad news.

Neither The Remnant nor The Catholic Family News would accept advertising for the book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising by traditional Catholic Hugh Akins. I think the title of the book tells us why!

A friend who attended the SSPX Winona ordinations, around June of 2009, heard Father Gruner speak about the "Two-Sister Lucy's" evidence among a small group of men. This was outside on the seminary grounds.

Father commented that he would not discuss the accusation in his Fatima Crusader literature because it would scandalize his Novus ordo followers and benefactors.

We thought... how strange that he would sacrifice and hide the truth for the sake of his liberal following? From there, we became more watchful of his operation.

Shortly after this, we learned, after the fact, that Father Gruner was supporting the xSPX, by proxy, though his news outlet, Catholic Family News.

CFN was accepting xSPX advertising, supporting them editorially and covering-up any mention of a Resistance movement against Menzingen.
One question remains, who really runs CFN and sets their editorial opinions now ?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2016, 11:00:51 AM »

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Neither The Remnant nor The Catholic Family News would accept advertising for the book ѕуηαgσgυє Rising by traditional Catholic Hugh Akins. I think the title of the book tells us why!

Well, for that matter, I doubt that either of these publications would advertise any books exposing the Tribe, and its obvious and deep infiltration into the church, not to mention Menzingen.