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Offline Telesphorus

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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2012, 08:32:44 PM »
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  • Archbishop Lefebvre very clearly said sede vacante could happen, that he wouldn't say you can't make the assertion of sede vacante.

    As for all the other arguments, about visibility, the gates of Hell, etc, accepting this hierarchy is nearly impossible for anyone who wishes to claim heresy has not prevailed in the Church.

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    « Reply #46 on: May 22, 2012, 08:33:45 PM »
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  • Are you the same "Ecclesia Militans" that was banned from Ignis for your constant arguing against sedevacantism? I thought you already had an account on here?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #47 on: May 22, 2012, 09:01:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    Archbishop Lefebvre very clearly said sede vacante could happen, that he wouldn't say you can't make the assertion of sede vacante.

    As for all the other arguments, about visibility, the gates of Hell, etc, accepting this hierarchy is nearly impossible for anyone who wishes to claim heresy has not prevailed in the Church.


    The Archbishop called the sedevacantist arguments "insane" and "schismatic" on several occasions (e.g. see the quote in Bishop Fellay's letter), for the same reasons I mentioned above.
    As for your second sentence, you obviously forget that the whole SSPX accepts this hierarchy. This is and has always been the official position of the Society - that they are popes.

    Offline Charles

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    « Reply #48 on: May 22, 2012, 11:00:25 PM »
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  • Tele, I think it's common knowledge among the worlds trads  that the Archbishop mentioned it.

    Heaven knows you've mentioned it enough times  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #49 on: May 22, 2012, 11:05:05 PM »
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    Tele, I think it's common knowledge among the worlds trads  that the Archbishop mentioned it.

    Heaven knows you've mentioned it enough times  :laugh1:


    If would mention it in every single post, just to watch the dogmatic anti-sedes do their society stonewall routine.


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    « Reply #50 on: May 23, 2012, 07:47:55 AM »
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  • Patricia Mc Keever is rather naive.
    http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/blog/2012/05/sspxrome-accord-is-a-split-inevitable/#comments
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    No, Bishop Fellay is not infallible. Neither is Bishop Williamson. But Bishop Fellay is the Superior General. Bishop Wiliamson is not. The issue about the grace of office in this context is quite simply that our presumption should be that the Superior General will not agree to anything that is harmful to the Church, whereas there is, abroad, an uncharitable suspicion of the Bishop whom Archbishop Lefebvfre described as the “principle of unity” for the Society. They choose to ignore the fact of his good will and the authority and grace of his office. You cannot sustain the argument that because others have shown signs of not living up to the grace of THEIR office, that somehow that means that we can dismiss the authority of Bishop Fellay on a “just in case” basis. There are bad apples in the police force but we still have to pull over if we’re instructed to do so by a patrol officer on the road. And no, I’m not speaking from experience!

    The fear that somehow any resolution will mean that the Society is silenced is unfounded. There are plenty of examples from bishops and priests “within the walls” who have spoken out against errors – such as Archbishop Schneider on the error of Communion in the hand, Bishop Olmstead in Texas has not remained silent on the importance of kneeling for Communion, Cardinal Egan & others on dissenting priests and Cardinal Ranjith on a whole host of errors. I’ve even had a letter from a top Vatican cardinal who openly lamented the way the pope is disobeyed and he actually mentioned in passing that the media and many bishops had shamefully used the Bishop Williamson/h0Ɩ0cαųst affair to attack the Pope, even though the bishop was expressing a merely personal view on an event in history, nothing to do with the Faith. In my letter to him I hadn’t mentioned Bishop Williamson. I had asked him to use his influence with the Pope to help us get at least one good bishop in Scotand to which he replied that he did, every time he spoke with the Pope, encourage him to deal with the liberals and – moreover – that he agreed with me that there had been some very bad appointments in Scotland. So, the Society regularisation would be of great help to good bishops in the Church who may feel isolated and they, in turn, would have friends in high places to support them.

    I cannot understand the fear – not to mention the hatred emanating from the sedevacantist website comments posted by Athanasius above. Bishop Fellay has taken the supernatural road, invoking Divine Providence, so I suggest we trust him and wait for the details of this papal offer.

    Unless someone suggests it’s worth leaving this thread open a bit longer, I will close it down this afternoon.

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    « Reply #51 on: May 23, 2012, 08:06:49 AM »
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  • Great post here from Dawn Marie on another forum.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9541
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    I wonder how much backpedaling people like Fathers Celier, Pfluger, Schmidberger or Bishop Fellay etc will be doing when this Pope passes from this life into eternity and a new Pope is elected.

    If the next Pope should prove to be an outright modernist who has no favor at all for Tradition and or who attacks the SSPX with full force will these men quickly change the nonsense they are promoting right now?

    The ridiculous article above clearly indicates that ABL does not fit into the new direction +Fellay is trying to force the SSPX to go. Once again he tries to force the hand to fit the glove.


    That is the thing. They won't  back-pedal.SSPX faithful have been had.

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    « Reply #52 on: May 23, 2012, 08:14:51 AM »
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    Great post here from Dawn Marie on another forum.

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9541
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    I wonder how much backpedaling people like Fathers Celier, Pfluger, Schmidberger or Bishop Fellay etc will be doing when this Pope passes from this life into eternity and a new Pope is elected.

    If the next Pope should prove to be an outright modernist who has no favor at all for Tradition and or who attacks the SSPX with full force will these men quickly change the nonsense they are promoting right now?

    The ridiculous article above clearly indicates that ABL does not fit into the new direction +Fellay is trying to force the SSPX to go. Once again he tries to force the hand to fit the glove.


    That is the thing. They won't  back-pedal.SSPX faithful have been had.


    See where the blind obedience got ye.Taken for a ride by Krah.

    I stand corrected but did Diego state some priests don't know who Krah is? This is amazing if true. It's amazing people still gave the Society money so blindly.It beggars belief.


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    « Reply #53 on: May 23, 2012, 08:24:57 AM »
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    will these men quickly change the nonsense they are promoting right now?


    I don't believe they will. They are at the point of no return. They have to save face but God alone will decide. They might be given the grace to see their error in what they are doing. They are walking into a trap.

    It's as clear as could be as to what Bishop Fellay and others are doing yet people are so blind.

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    « Reply #54 on: May 23, 2012, 08:44:16 AM »
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  • What disturbs me even more is ordained priests tried to disregard facts as rumours. You don't expect this from a priest. Are they so afraid of the truth that they dismiss facts as rumours?

    Let's ask Clare. She stated Teleophorus was 'delusional' What does Clare think of ordained priests dismissing facts as rumours?

    These people now critical of Bishop Fellay,Fr Pfluger? What else did these people expect from them? Why are they shocked now?Denial is a word worth mentioning.

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    « Reply #55 on: May 23, 2012, 09:59:16 AM »
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    I edited my post to maintain a spirit of charity



    Of course, I don't believe  a person should believe the first thing they read on the internet or in a docuмent presented to them but it is quite easy to substantiate material, and highlight the facts. To continue then to dismiss facts as "internet rumour"  is disingenuous.

    I accept the point made to me by a cleric. Yes, we must be careful what we read on the internet but when point (a) and point (b) can be proven, it is not rumour but fact.

    Concerned faithful presented facts regarding the Menzingen lawyer. I don't believe it is credible for a Society priest not to know who Maximilian Krah is.

    Granted I encountered some SSPX clerics who claimed not to be aware that there was a court case regarding sermons of the Archbishop. Is their feign of ignorance, plausible?


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    « Reply #56 on: May 23, 2012, 10:11:30 AM »
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  • http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=6744&st=50
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    HOLLY: This Fr. Celier essay is truly amazing. Does the SSPX really think that most of us will have any patience with Fr. C trying to explain what ABL really meant by some of his more historic and inflammatory remarks? Is any intelligent traditional Catholic going to take Fr. C seriously as he attempts to put "They have left the Faith" into a proper context? Can we interpret "They are anti-Christs" in the light of nouveau SSPX hermeneutics? This is getting just plain laughable!

    CANTATE: Prepare to cry your eyes out when you see how many fall into this pit.


    It's laughable in ways how SSPX laity are getting worked up now yet there was clear warning signs.

    As 'Oblationem' stated
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    One truth is that you/we have been limited to the spectrum of acceptable opinion. It’s our own fault by not protesting (at the time) what Bp. Fellay has said about Vatican II, and his Ideological persecution inside SSPX. We always thought he was working for our benefit, but the SSPX has metamorphosed into a vehicle of the New Order - just like the VII frog in the pot of water.  If he can’t be voted out at the next Chapter, the SSPX is done for. Good priests, yes – but faulty leadership.


    Some did protest but as stated "it's our own fault". Those who are pro-agreement have to acknowledge the consequences of the deal.They can't lament in five years time the consequences of a deal.

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    « Reply #57 on: May 23, 2012, 10:54:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus

    Hence: Opus Fellay.

    I think it fits.


     :laugh1:

    Yes, that is clever.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,