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Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
« on: September 17, 2017, 10:01:05 AM »
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  • This e-mail was sent to me by Fr. Chazal.
    I have tried to get rid of some of the blank lines, etc. and the only thing I changed was typos.
    Changing the "grammar" is more problematic; that could change the sense of the content. So I left it as-is. The boy who visited was obviously not a native English speaker, and that comes through in his writing.

    P.S. I withheld the name/e-mail of the boy, as well as Fr. Chazal's e-mail. But I assure you that I have possession of all 3, and that they (the names and e-mails) do exist ;)



    That's the worry:

    1. they keep on saying that they need a bishop and God will send them one, that's the major of the reasonning.
    2. then they insist Moran is precisely a Catholic Bishop, that's the Minor,
    3. then they leave out the conclusion, but it is inescapable.
    them saying "we are not using Moran" sounds hollow, just like bishop Fellay saying "i am not using the April 15th declaration"
    fc+

    On 16 Sep 2017 17:43, "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com> wrote:

     I was able to meet few of the faithful of the kentucky rite.
     They truly believe that Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko are the only true priests in the line of Abp. Lefevbre. Bp. Williamson is bad and etc. They are not a true resistance. Pablo the Mexican is a good administrator and a hard working secretary, etc.

     Fr. Pfeiffer continues to brag that he has 150 Mass centers all over the world.

     His seminarians are like zombies. They do what pablo wants them to do. They just submit to Pablo. They look okay but they are sick.

     Fr. pfeiffer moved a whole family of Filipinos from New Jersey to Kentucky.

     He is bringing more people to his camp and live happily ever after. Where they will enthrone pablo as king.

     I thought i can stay for 2 weeks. But no.
     They are becoming a cult.

     One more thing, Moran is a catholic bishop. They will die for that

     --------------------------------------------
     On Fri, 9/15/17, Chazal Francois <email-address@of-fr-chazal.com> wrote:

      Subject: Re: The Wrath of Pablo the Mexican
      To: "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com>
      Date: Friday, September 15, 2017, 9:29 PM

      that's hilarious,
      because if Paul Rousseau returns, we are going to have six
      seminarians, and plenty more down the line.
      On 15 Sep 2017 18:20,
      "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com>
      wrote:
      Only 6 and he keeps on telling that MORE ARE COMING.



      When i told him that i am visiting, he then told the people
      that a boy from fr.chazal is joining. More donations to come
      to Pablo.





      ------------------------------ --------------

      On Fri, 9/15/17, Chazal Francois <email-address@of-fr-chazal.com>
      wrote:
       Subject: Re: The Wrath of Pablo the Mexican
       To: "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com>
       Date: Friday, September 15, 2017, 12:14 AM


       JM is wondering how many seminarians there are in
       Pfeifferville.fr joe told me 14 in
       total.fc+


       On 11 Sep 2017 09:37,
       "Chazal Francois" <email-address@of-fr-chazal.com>
       wrote:

       everything revolves around two
       supersized egoes, to put it in a nutshell.
       americans have this propensity to make cults like
       that.fc+


       On 11 Sep 2017 00:09,
       "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com>
       wrote:

    I went to Kentucky on Thursday. I was welcomed by Fr. Joe Pfeiffer.
    Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer was also there for his vacation. I was not allowed by Fr. Joe  to
    attend the Mass of Fr. Tim. Fr. Joe is proud and full of pride. The only seminary that has a structure is Kentucky, said Fr. Joe.

       He is busy talking on the phone. He is angry. But he is not yet
      totally mad. He is moving more families to his seminary campus.
       I just left the place without saying good bye. I cannot allow Pablo
      to control me. Pablo was asking me to do things and things in a bad way. He is disrespectful. He is the boss. He lives in the priest's building. He controls everything in the seminary and even the finances. I saw how bad the is management for two days. I abandoned the place without a
       word. I felt I was in jail. Seminarians are like slaves there. That is the reason Fr. Tim is not joining the resistance. Moran is gone. Communicatio in Sacris is not a mortal sin, said Fr. Joe.


                               On Sunday, September
      10, 2017,

       10:16:28 PM GMT+8, Chazal Francois <email-address@of-fr-chazal.com>

       wrote:

                           what

       about moranus maximus?pablo is old story to me, unless

       you have something new to

       share.fc+

       On

       10 Sep 2017 19:14, "X" <confidential@not-anonymous.com>

       wrote:

       Dear Fr.

       Chazal,

       As what I

       promised, I will visit Kentucky and see what they are
      doing

       there.

       The original

       plan was to stay for one week or two. Lo and behold, I
      only

       stayed for two days and left the place. Fr. Pfeiffer is
      mad

       at me and I don't care. He has to expel

       "Patriarch" Pablo from his place.

       I pity the slaves seminarians

       there.

       In Jesus and

       Mary,
       
       X (name withheld)
       
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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2017, 02:10:35 PM »
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  • What is Fr. Hewko's role in the compound?  Is he controlled by Fr. Pfeiffer and/or Pablo? Is he brainwashed or willfully complicit? Just weird to me that he ended up there of all places.


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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 03:02:14 PM »
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  • The whole situation sounds scary.

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 03:48:23 PM »
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  • Give consideration to the fact that the "anonymous" author is apparently an anti-Pfeiffer partisan, and it is clear that he casts the worst possible on what he either knows or has heard.

    Just more gossip and opinions, a waste of time.

    Send a partisan to Broadstairs, France, or Asia to give you the "scoop" and you will have something similar happen.

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 03:55:12 PM »
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  • Send a partisan to Broadstairs, France, or Asia to give you the "scoop" and you will have something similar happen.
    Thank you for pointing this out... Fr Abraham comes into mind. It was fanned into a major fire by a few rag-tag laymen... discretion prohibits me from saying more.


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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 04:03:37 PM »
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  •              It's "Jonestown" baby
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #6 on: September 18, 2017, 03:46:39 AM »
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  • Give consideration to the fact that the "anonymous" author is apparently an anti-Pfeiffer partisan, and it is clear that he casts the worst possible on what he either knows or has heard.

    Just more gossip and opinions, a waste of time.

    Send a partisan to Broadstairs, France, or Asia to give you the "scoop" and you will have something similar happen.
    JPaul. You are totally subjective and emotional in your response. Start being objective
    The posters are not anonymous, Matthew knows who they are, and Fr Chazal is mentioned. These reports back up the other large number of reports that have been made about this sect and there are even more that have not been made public. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
    The only thing that unites that sect or cult (check out the definition of a cult and you will see that they fulfil most of the requirements) is not a love of the Truth but a hatred of Bishop Williamson, not lurve, lurve, lurve but hate, hate, hate and we know what that is a sign of. But with a self proclaimed lay exorcist who dabbled with the demonic, is it any surprise? Why doesn't he get lost back to Mexico if he is such a great Mexican. He threatened to leave, but he may lose his hold over Fr Pfeiffer if he does that. 
    If you ever speak to a cult member they cannot help themselves but to criticise and defame His Excellency. Perhaps they are getting worse and want people to relocate to the compound because they are collapsing elsewhere. Their UK website is not updated to show any Masses for the last three weeks and prior to that they seemed to have Mass only about once every six weeks.
    They are deluded about their numbers. To claim 150 Mass centres is pure baloney. It seems as if one of their two priests stopped somewhere once and said a Hail Mary that becomes a Mass centre of theirs. One of their US websites shows them as having five 'seminarians'.
    May God have mercy on them all and help them to overcome their huge pride to come back to the Church.
    P.S. Perhaps Incred. summed it up better than me!!!

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #7 on: September 18, 2017, 05:57:53 AM »
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  • The whole situation sounds scary.
    Sure does. What a mess.

    I think about 20 years from now, or 40, or 80 years from now and wonder how many more splits and who is going to know which group(s) keeps the faith of the Apostles? Seems parents of today, who will be grandparents tomorrow had best teach religion to their children and grandchildren well so they'll know which groups must be avoided - and same goes for their children and grand children.

    God is really letting the flock cull themselves.

    What a mess.
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 08:31:28 AM »
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  •                            On Sunday, September 10, 2017, 10:16:28 PM GMT+8,
    Chazal Francois <email-address@of-fr-chazal.com>   wrote: 

    what about moranus maximus? pablo is old story to me, unless 
       you have something new to share.

    fc+

       
    How come Fr. Chazal is soliciting gossip and information about the goings-on in Boston, KY?
    That doesn't strike me as good, honorable priestly behavior.
    .
    Doesn't he have enough to do in running his own little apostolate of the Resistance?

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #9 on: September 18, 2017, 08:33:51 AM »
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  • Thank you for pointing this out... Fr Abraham comes into mind. It was fanned into a major fire by a few rag-tag laymen... discretion prohibits me from saying more.
    Bull...a pedo priest living in Broadstairs giving public Masses (against his SSPX censure) directly concerns the people who attend the Resistance Mass there.

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #10 on: September 18, 2017, 08:37:59 AM »
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  • Give consideration to the fact that the "anonymous" author is apparently an anti-Pfeiffer partisan, and it is clear that he casts the worst possible on what he either knows or has heard.

    Just more gossip and opinions, a waste of time.
    Exactly.
    An opportunity to gossip about Fr. Pfeiffer is never wasted on the board.


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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #11 on: September 18, 2017, 08:53:18 AM »
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  • I see post on social media calling the Resistance crazy and a cult and when I search deeper as to why they say such things the names of Frs. Phieffer and Hewko always surface.   A lot of people think that they are part of the Resistance when in fact they are not.  This sort of thread helps to explain just how "Out There" they are.  Every opportunity to make it clear that OLMC has nothing to do with the Resistance should be taken.  People are Resistance shy because of their bad and nutty reputation.  The Mexican is solely a part of that outfit and is welcomed no where else.  They need many prayers.   :pray: 

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #12 on: September 18, 2017, 09:09:15 AM »
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  • Bull...a pedo priest living in Broadstairs giving public Masses (against his SSPX censure) directly concerns the people who attend the Resistance Mass there.
    What concerns me is the people who attend the Resistance Mass there have succumbed to mob rule and there's only one way to reason with mob rule... water cannon! 

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    « Reply #13 on: September 18, 2017, 09:14:27 AM »
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  • What concerns me is the people who attend the Resistance Mass there have succumbed to mob rule and there's only one way to reason with mob rule... water cannon!

    Only if that water cannon is being used to blast Fr. Abraham back into hermitic seclusion.

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    Re: Recent first-hand report from Boston, KY
    « Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 09:26:43 AM »
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  • JPaul. You are totally subjective and emotional in your response. Start being objective
    The posters are not anonymous, Matthew knows who they are, and Fr Chazal is mentioned. These reports back up the other large number of reports that have been made about this sect and there are even more that have not been made public. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
    The only thing that unites that sect or cult (check out the definition of a cult and you will see that they fulfil most of the requirements) is not a love of the Truth but a hatred of Bishop Williamson, not lurve, lurve, lurve but hate, hate, hate and we know what that is a sign of. But with a self proclaimed lay exorcist who dabbled with the demonic, is it any surprise? Why doesn't he get lost back to Mexico if he is such a great Mexican. He threatened to leave, but he may lose his hold over Fr Pfeiffer if he does that.
    If you ever speak to a cult member they cannot help themselves but to criticise and defame His Excellency. Perhaps they are getting worse and want people to relocate to the compound because they are collapsing elsewhere. Their UK website is not updated to show any Masses for the last three weeks and prior to that they seemed to have Mass only about once every six weeks.
    They are deluded about their numbers. To claim 150 Mass centres is pure baloney. It seems as if one of their two priests stopped somewhere once and said a Hail Mary that becomes a Mass centre of theirs. One of their US websites shows them as having five 'seminarians'.
    May God have mercy on them all and help them to overcome their huge pride to come back to the Church.
    P.S. Perhaps Incred. summed it up better than me!!!
    Emotional and subjective? Certainly not, and more of an objective observer than most, due to the fact that I am no longer committed to any of the sects, and while I am respectful of the office and valid faculties of the neo-Traditional clerics, most have their shortcomings in that same package, from Fellay to Pfeiffer, to Chazal to +Wiliamson and his new hierarchy.  I would suggest that your response is both emotional and subjective as well as an extension of your own sectarian view of things.
    Not all critiques of Fr. Pfeiffer are wrong or invalid, and not all of his objections to Bishop Williamson have been wrong or invalid either.  If you want to look upon thing with an objective eye, then do so.

     

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