There is always that old saying: "If you can't beat them, join them". Humans like to be on the winning side. If there is nobility in this as a means of survival and protecting one's family, we cannot unduly criticise another person having this view. The leadership of the Society will be surrendering in order to enjoy a quiet life making nonsense any suggestion that it can convert conciliar Rome from inside. With this realisation, can any noble action ensue by going along with it? Perhaps there are expressions of nobility which arise in any situation.

A new church that allows ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and lesbian priestesses to preach sermons and offer john xxlll mass.  And it will be illegal to say anything against it. Tradition with a twist.  

Please!

This is an absurd comment. If there is an agreement between Rome and the SSPX in the future it does not follow that you would see these outrageous things occurring in your local chapel. The FSSP/ICK/Indult/Motu, etc. is an example of what the future might look like for the SSPX. Not that I think it would be a good thing for the SSPX to be another FSSP but I think that would be a realistic example.

About ten years ago, a very popular ICK priest was convicted and imprisoned for molesting altar boys in  LaCrosse, WI.  Yes, Mr Steven, these aberrations are found within Ecclesia Dei groups too.

I know about this priest.

He had a reputation for being the holiest priest in the Institute of Christ the King. My mom thought he was a saint!

I met him during a "Vocational Awareness" gathering for 3 days in the Wisconsin countryside. The boys there were ages 13-23, and at some point during the 3 days each boy got to speak with Fr. one-on-one.

Incidentally, this is where I met my first "big/rural Catholic families". (My old independent chapel only had 1 family with over 5 children.) The children from these families impressed me so much that I'll never forget it. They were polite, well-educated, etc. Before then, I had never met a 16 year old who knew so many dates and facts about the cινιℓ ωαr. They were all pro-Confederate (yes, this was in rural Wisconsin).

Anyhow, back to the priest in question. When I got to speak with him, I of course thought we were on the same side (we're both "traditional", right?) so I innocently brought up some things I was taught as a kid (I grew up Trad), such as the idea that the Novus Ordo was the "abomination of desolation standing in the holy place". Of course that was from Fr. Wathen's book, "The Great Sacrilege", but I didn't know that. I got it from Thomas A. Nelson when he taught my catechism class.

Anyhow, Fr. reacted strongly when I brought that up. He became angry and said, "Baloney!".

During this gathering, I also learned first-hand what "indult" meant. It meant helping out with moving the table to/from the Sanctuary to switch a church from Tridentine to Novus Ordo setup, and back again. We moved decorations, candlesticks, etc. It felt like Holy Thursday ("stripping of the altars").

I think every Trad should have to do this a few times -- it makes it very apparent how "un-sacred" the Novus Ordo Mass is, and what a compromise the Indult is. At the time, it shocked me because I thought the ICK was completely traditional. But my experience was skewed -- in my hometown, the ICK got control of an old Church building downtown, which they turned into a fully thriving 1950's parish. If THAT were the Indult, it wouldn't be as problematic (though it would still have problems). But not every Indult location gets its own exclusive church building.

I can't find any place where the ExSSPX spells out the noble reasons why we should join the progressivists, (after all, there is no denying that that is what current Rome is, no need for ExSSPX explanations of the distinctions between conciliar Rome and "conciliar" Rome). There has to be  noble reasons (comfort and money are not noble reasons), so what are they? Good question to ask the pro-accord leadership persons in your chapel, and your priest. We can't ask Menzigen, or the district superior, they are out of our range of influence.


Here is what I have gathered from their (local parishiioner leadership and local priests) deeds:

They have a vision of creating a chapel that will attract the general population and fill the church, to have many full masses per day. They have a vision to change the Catholic world. They feel that this chapel attracted them, therefore, it will attract the world if they just could be approved by Rome.

They think that the popes are really on the side of truth, that they had/have no control over what has/is happening, and that the SSPX will help him to fight modernism.

They want to be accepted like every other Catholic that goes to the local diocese churches. They are scared of being called in schism and sedevacantes.

What are other reasons?

Father Girouard says:

"Society authorities want to justify the abandonment of the resolution of the General Chapter of 2006 ("No practical agreement without conversion of Rome"), by saying that the situation is not the same today. They would have us believe that many new bishops, priests, and seminarians are no longer interested in Vatican II and prefer the traditional Mass and theology. Yet they are unable to produce a serious and independent study to demonstrate this."

About ten years ago, a very popular ICK priest was convicted and imprisoned for molesting altar boys in  LaCrosse, WI.  Yes, Mr Steven, these aberrations are found within Ecclesia Dei groups too.

Who is he?  Since his crime was public, his name would be also.

What are other reasons?

Because the neo-SSPX position is "Abnormal".

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Reasons to Join the Progressivists?

Why would anyone be motivated to do so?

For one thing they are inherently silly people and I don't like them.  I find their liturgy childish and inane.

For another they don't seem to offer any compelling reason to convert, since they view the Jєωs as their elder brothers and other religions as being different expressions of the same truth or at least salvic in some way.  If they don't claim to possess the singular truth what is the reason to join them?

Exactly, so why is SSPX so anxious to join them?  I think that is the million dollar question.  It just seems so bizarre to those of us with a view from the pew.

Marsha

They are anxious to join "them", however, they will never call it joining the progressivists. They will call it a return to Rome, or some such whitewashed expression, like calling sodomites  "gαy".