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Author Topic: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line  (Read 1512 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2026, 04:32:27 PM »
Try as you may with your smugness, you will never be able to wish away the immorality of the existence of the Thuc line.

It is a punishment from God.

No, you are a punishment from God to this forum.

Many thousands of souls receive the Sacraments and the true faith on account of Archbishop Thuc, and you gravely endanger your soul by persisting in your slander despite numerous corrections.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2026, 04:38:31 PM »
What is illogical, fallacious and emotional here?
Be precise.

This has been pointed out numerous times, you fool, where you can't impugn the Archbishop for (conditionally) consecrating someone who then conditionally consecrates someone who LATER joins some cult.

That would be like holding Bishop Williamson accountable for endorsing the ordination of Frs. Uttutigoity, Ensey, etc.  Do you hold His Excellency accountable for that, Kimmage?

Conversely, +Lienart ordained and consecrated Archbishop Lefebvre.

God permits evil sometimes to come from good, and good from evil.

That's to say nothing of the fact that there's no actual verification of Datessen's claim to have been conditionally consecrated by +Thuc.  He was one of those who sought about 50 conditional consecrations.  In addition, there were no witnesses, nor did +Thuc ever say he did this, nor was he asked.  Why?  Because Datessen waited until after +Thuc had died in the late 1980s to make the announcement.  There are a couple others who did the exact thing.  Why did they wait?  Probably because if +Thuc had been alive someone could have gone an asked him.  These were not men who were shy about making false claims.  Datessen later produced a certificate that most hold to have been a forgery.  Because people knew that +Thuc had done these consecrations, they decided that they could plausibly claim that they had been consecrated also.  Just as there's more bogus false "sayings" attributed to Padre Pio than to about anyone else in history, so too, dozens came out of the woodwork after +Thuc had died to make claims like this.  Dr. Heller stated that some allegations were provably false because he had known that at the time the fraudsters had made the claim, +Thuc wasn't even in the country where they claimed it happened (since in some cases Heller knew his precise whereabouts at the time, while the fraudster did not, thus messing up his story).

So you impugn the Archbishop for something that isn't even proven, but based solely on the word of Datessen himself, whom you denounce as a dirtbag.


Re: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2026, 04:47:55 PM »
This has been pointed out numerous times, you fool, where you can't impugn the Archbishop for (conditionally) consecrating someone who then conditionally consecrates someone who LATER joins some cult.

That would be like holding Bishop Williamson accountable for endorsing the ordination of Frs. Uttutigoity, Ensey, etc.  Do you hold His Excellency accountable for that, Kimmage?

Conversely, +Lienart ordained and consecrated Archbishop Lefebvre.

God permits evil sometimes to come from good, and good from evil.
Not to mention that 75% of Abp. Lefebvre's hand-picked episcopal successors betrayed his mission according to The Resistance, booted out the best among them while retaining, what, 90, 95% of the priests into the Neo-SSPX. Tommy doesn't ever seem to touch on these "fruits"

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2026, 04:50:39 PM »
Not to mention that 75% of Abp. Lefebvre's hand-picked episcopal successors betrayed his mission according to The Resistance, booted out the best among them while retaining, what, 90, 95% of the priests into the Neo-SSPX. Tommy doesn't ever seem to touch on these "fruits"

Good point, especially since Kimmage makes a veritable career out of attacking those 3.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Reason No. 3453 not to trust the Thuc line
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2026, 05:41:12 PM »
If you even look at Boyle, every single one after the Carmona / Zamora ones is listed as alleged or claimed ...




You'll notice that nearly all of them are Frenchmen (some other Europeans), who use the year 1982.  Why?  Because by later in 1983 +Thuc was in the US and living among the Franciscans there (with +Vezelis) and they could easily have debunked their claims, and they also could likely not find proof of any trip they made to the US in 1983/1984.