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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
« on: August 26, 2023, 12:16:48 PM »
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  • In order to keep the Resistance writings compilation thread clean, could you please post comments/questions in this one, so that I can complete the other uninterrupted?

    I intend to complete it this weekend (or by Monday evening at the latest, and I will explain in this thread later why I am doing this).
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #1 on: August 26, 2023, 12:39:26 PM »
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  • Will there be a hard copy available? 


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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2023, 02:58:59 PM »
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  • Will there be a hard copy available?

    Yes (with an asterisk; see below soon)...
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2023, 08:35:30 AM »
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  • Apologies for some of the formatting imperfections (e.g., spacing; loss of footnote numbers, etc), which seem to be insurmountable in trying to copy/paste from Word into CI. 

    Hopefully it is not too distracting.
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2023, 11:20:12 AM »
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  • Sean, just let me know if anyone posts in the main book thread, so I can moderate (delete) such comments.

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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #5 on: August 27, 2023, 12:25:11 PM »
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  • Sean, just let me know if anyone posts in the main book thread, so I can moderate (delete) such comments.

    Thanks Matthew!

    PS: Leaving town as we speak, so won’t be able to get back to this until tomorrow night.
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #6 on: August 27, 2023, 01:19:15 PM »
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  • This is some of the best part I've read so far -- I can't agree enough:


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    It is foreseeable that some will object to the inclusion of certain writings in the collection which follows, for a variety of reasons: Perhaps it will be argued that this or that priest was always a disciplinary problem, and that objecting to the ralliement policies of Bishop Fellay was merely a manifestation of this pre-existing condition.  Perhaps it will be said that another was already on a trajectory toward independence, and opposition to a practical accord merely provided an “honorable exit” for the inevitable departure.  Or perhaps it will be said that still others were resentful of reassignment (or had other internal political concerns), and these considerations were the true cause of their resistance.

    Aside from questioning the motives of some of these priests, others might object that I should not have included the writings of priests or religious who ended up embracing sedevacantism, or the writings of those who ultimately returned to the SSPX (or never having left it, fell back into silent complicity), or the writings of those who would later fall into open conflict with the bishops of the Resistance.

    Against all of these arguments, I reply that this book is neither hagiographical nor polemical, but historical.  It is the internal strength or weakness of the docuмents themselves which is here held up to scrutiny (and praise), regardless of any ad hominem arguments which can be made against any of the various authors, with or without merit.  Either their contents are well-founded, docuмented (or docuмentable), and/or corroborated by external evidence, or they are not.  Let them be judged according to their own merits, and not along factional lines.

    Yes, choosing to WORK WITH or ATTEND MASS with some priests is problematic. But when it comes to a common position on the SSPX -- we're talking abstract here -- it should be easy enough to "all just get along".

    I'm waiting for anyone to tell me why the writings of Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, for example, shouldn't be included. He's ONE MORE VOICE that thinks there's a problem in the SSPX. Sure, he has a whole volume of problems now, mostly thanks to the influence of a certain diabolical warlock. But is Fr. Pfeiffer correct about the SSPX post-2012? YOU BET. While we're at it, I'm sure he's 100% orthodox on devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary as well. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Let's put it this way -- the Resistance isn't big and united for various fundamental reasons. Much the same reasons as Tradition itself, I would argue! (The Resistance is just a microcosm of, or even a synonym for, the Traditional Movement). Priests/bishops have always disagreed and refused to work with each other in the Traditional Movement. Let's be realistic: being Trad means you're a leader, NOT a follower, you think for yourself, etc. So a random group of 100 Trads are going to have a harder time getting along than 100 random Americans. But when it comes time to rip the Novus Ordo a new one, I think most Trad priests/bishops writings should be brought to bear ALL AT ONCE, for full effect.

    Likewise, when trying to convince the reader that there is "something rotten in Denmark" in the SSPX, why not produce writings of ALL Resistance priests, even those who went independent or who don't get along on various issues (Sedevacantism?) because let's face it -- on the SSPX, they're all 100% united.
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #7 on: August 27, 2023, 01:38:46 PM »
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  • Likewise, when trying to convince the reader that there is "something rotten in Denmark" in the SSPX, why not produce writings of ALL Resistance priests, even those who went independent or who don't get along on various issues (Sedevacantism?) because let's face it -- on the SSPX, they're all 100% united.

    I too would like to see the writings of all Resistance priests, wherever they may be.

    Though I do very much appreciate Seans's compilation of the letters written by the priests who left the SSPX because +Fellay and Co. want to reconcile with Modernist Rome.

    Though to be fair, a majority of the forum members don't much care about the Resistance, and maybe that's why we don't hear much about the priests who left the SSPX, but didn't join the Resistance under +W. But those few of us who do care about the Resistance may benefit by seeing a wider range of views on the subject, especially the more independent priests not affiliated with the official Resistance.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #8 on: August 27, 2023, 06:54:57 PM »
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  • Dear Meg,
    What a great idea!  You can be the one to fill in the gap and gather all the letters, docuмents, opinions of the independent priests.  We all look forward to seeing what those priests will contribute.  Carpe momentum! 

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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #9 on: August 27, 2023, 09:08:29 PM »
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  • Yes (with an asterisk; see below soon)...
    Are you hoping we find typos and such errors first, or are you confident it is already free of grammatical errors?
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #10 on: August 28, 2023, 03:55:37 PM »
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  • These have all said at least one Mass at our chapel in Seguin:

    1.     Bishop Richard Williamson (England)
    2.     Fr. Gerardo Zendejas (USA)
    4.     Fr. Rene Trincado (Chile)
    12. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philipines)
    13. Fr. Francois Chazal (Philipines)
    14. Fr. David Hewko (USA)
    15. Fr. Giacomo Ballini (Ireland)
    32. Fr. Edward MacDonald (USA)
    38. Fr. Pierre Celestin Ondo Ndong (Gabon)
    40. Fr. Adrian Garcia (Mexico)

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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #11 on: August 28, 2023, 04:08:54 PM »
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  • I am presently compiling all the material, to be eventually be reformatted and converted into a PDF file.
    The font size on some of the postings just went wild! :(
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #12 on: August 28, 2023, 04:49:55 PM »
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  • I am presently compiling all the material, to be eventually be reformatted and converted into a PDF file.
    The font size on some of the postings just went wild! :(

    Attached.

    I'm reserving the copyright for the hardcopy edition, but the thread, and this PDF, can be freely circulated/disseminated and/or reposted.

    Obviously, I have withheld several important parts (e.g., a lengthy Introduction, Table of Contents pagination; Index).

    The Introduction may or may not become a book in its own right.
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #13 on: August 28, 2023, 05:11:55 PM »
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  • Attached.

    I'm reserving the copyright for the hardcopy edition, but the thread, and this PDF, can be freely circulated/disseminated and/or reposted.

    Obviously, I have withheld several important parts (e.g., a lengthy Introduction, Table of Contents pagination; Index).

    The Introduction may or may not become a book in its own right.
    Thank you. (I formatted my own reading copy a bit differently for easier ocular absorption. :smirk: )
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    Re: Resistance Writings Compilation Comments/Questions
    « Reply #14 on: August 29, 2023, 09:55:23 AM »
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  • Where can the Di Noia letter be found?
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"