Author Topic: Quo Vadis, Resistance? (Read 7213 times)

Matthew · « **on:** May 09, 2013, 01:51:39 PM »

I suppose the answer is, "We don't know". But I wanted to start this thread, nevertheless.

We have exactly TWO priests that travel around and offer Mass. Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko. Are there any others I'm not aware of? For all the religious and new arrivals, we still haven't had a single addition to the roster of traveling priests.

So we have 1, sometimes 2, priests that offer Mass for people around the United States. How is that any different from 6 or 9 months ago?

Recently, that count went down to ONE priest, Fr. Hewko, after Fr. Pfeiffer left on his Magellan-esque trip around the world. India, Australia, Germany, etc. Who knows when he'll be back.

Fr. Pfeiffer has been in "trailblazing/organizing, hoping other priests will join in" mode for almost 1 year now. Nothing has materialized yet, though. It can be discouraging at times. Please tell me that I'm wrong!

How is the Resistance going to gain traction, if 99% of people (resistance-leaning and pro-Rome alike) have to attend Mass in SSPX Mass centers?

Domitilla · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2013, 01:53:56 PM »

Therein lies the dilemma, my friend.

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2013, 02:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

How is the Resistance going to gain traction, if 99% of people (resistance-leaning and pro-Rome alike) have to attend Mass in SSPX Mass centers?

I am one of the 99%. I have yet to attend a resistance Mass, though I would like to.

wallflower · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2013, 02:28:11 PM »

Honestly I don't know if the resistance is meant to gain traction in that way. Most of us are still SSPX'ers anyway, we simply have a disagreement with the current superior's MO, not with the SSPX itself.

I am curious what God has in store for those He has awoken with this near-iceberg collision. Being alert and standing guard is difficult when the plan is not clear. You are ready for action yet must stand and wait. You find yourself chomping at the bit, but for what? Does God want a stand alone organization to grow or does He just want a few extra sentinels trained and ready for the next attack? I think this lull can be used for better. Had something arisen out of the ashes immediately, it would have always had a pseudo-SSPX stigma. Given time, perhaps people can let the dust settle and view the resistance's points more objectively. Having to stick with one's parish reinforces that the loyalty is to the SSPX, just not to Bishops Fellay's handing it over.

If nothing else, it's good for the humility. Becoming a "grand movement" overnight would have bloated not a few egos I'm sure. But that's not what we're here for, so the it keeps us on track to be small and seemingly insignificant.

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2013, 02:43:49 PM »

"Nothing upon earth is done without a voice cause, and sorrow doth not spring out of the ground. Man is born to labour and the bird to fly. Wherefore I will pray to the Lord, and address my speech to God: Who doth great things and unsearchable and wonderful things without number: Who giveth rain upon the face of the earth, and watereth all things with waters:

Who setteth up the humble on high, and comforteth with health those that mourn. Who bringeth to nought the designs of the malignant, so that their hands cannot accomplish what they had begun: Who catcheth the wise in their craftiness, and disappointeth the counsel of the wicked: They shall meet with darkness in the day, and grope at noonday as in the night. But he shall save the needy from the sword of their mouth, and the poor from the hand of the violent.

And to the needy there shall he hope, but iniquity shall draw in her mouth. Blessed is the man whom God correcteth: refuse not therefore the chastising of the lord: For he woundeth, and cureth: he striketh, and his hands shall heal. In six troubles he shall deliver thee, and in the seventh, evil shall not touch thee. In famine he shall deliver thee from death: and in battle, from the hand of the sword."

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2013, 03:20:44 PM »

I hope a Resistance priest comes to my state to offer Mass one day.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2013, 03:34:01 PM »

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I hope a Resistance priest comes to my state to offer Mass one day.

I'm in New Mexico. No one comes here for ANYTHING, so my hope is dim.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2013, 03:46:44 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
I hope a Resistance priest comes to my state to offer Mass one day.

I'm in New Mexico. No one comes here for ANYTHING, so my hope is dim.

I understand how you feel. Things aren't much better here.

s2srea · « **Reply #8 on:** May 09, 2013, 03:56:15 PM »

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti

Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
I hope a Resistance priest comes to my state to offer Mass one day.

I'm in New Mexico. No one comes here for ANYTHING, so my hope is dim.

I understand how you feel. Things aren't much better here.

Have you ever been to an SSPX mass SSS? My understanding was that you were forced to say mass with your mother (was it your mother?) from home. That's the last I remember. Just wondering amigo.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #9 on:** May 09, 2013, 03:58:17 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
I hope a Resistance priest comes to my state to offer Mass one day.

I'm in New Mexico. No one comes here for ANYTHING, so my hope is dim.

I understand how you feel. Things aren't much better here.

Have you ever been to an SSPX mass SSS? My understanding was that you were forced to say mass with your mother (was it your mother?) from home. That's the last I remember. Just wondering amigo.

Unfortunately, no, I've never been to an SSPX Mass.

I don't remember ever saying that my mother and I said Mass together, actually, and that's not what I do, but it is true that my mother is a Traditional Catholic.

Machabees · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2013, 04:01:47 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Honestly I don't know if the resistance is meant to gain traction in that way. Most of us are still SSPX'ers anyway, we simply have a disagreement with the current superior's MO, not with the SSPX itself.

I am curious what God has in store for those He has awoken with this near-iceberg collision. Being alert and standing guard is difficult when the plan is not clear. You are ready for action yet must stand and wait. You find yourself chomping at the bit, but for what? Does God want a stand alone organization to grow or does He just want a few extra sentinels trained and ready for the next attack? I think this lull can be used for better. Had something arisen out of the ashes immediately, it would have always had a pseudo-SSPX stigma. Given time, perhaps people can let the dust settle and view the resistance's points more objectively. Having to stick with one's parish reinforces that the loyalty is to the SSPX, just not to Bishops Fellay's handing it over.

If nothing else, it's good for the humility. Becoming a "grand movement" overnight would have bloated not a few egos I'm sure. But that's not what we're here for, so the it keeps us on track to be small and seemingly insignificant.

I understand what you mean; yet with observance , there are a number of SSPX priests, and a SSPX Bishop, that have been "thrown out" into the traitors dustbins, as the Pharisees also tried to do with our Lord and the Apostles (...). As these "outcasts" do have souls, they are also the trained "sentinels" that you spoke of. As they do have the True Faith -then God is in them- and His hand is on them...

In Scripture, within the Old and the New Testaments, we read so many times that an important figure was "thrown out" for unwanted trash by the leaders and the people; but God uses men's sins to draw something good out of it. Then after men's punishment, and the time of dust is cleared, God's sweet Providence does something mighty, in the power of the Holy Ghost, to restore His order.

Is this another time in history, in the bigger picture of men's sins, that cry out for punishment, chastisement, and another captivity (fema camps), that important figures are "thrown out for trash" by the leaders and the people for God's safe keeping, until the time of men's punishment are over and the dust had cleared -in order resurface again?

You and I, a small number of us in our epoch of time, just happen to see some of the material and minute details of this. We even know the ("sinner") individual(s). But, when we read in scripture, these material and minute details are flashed over to get to the main point...God's order.

Indeed, all is a mystery.

With the Blessed Mother, our joy and our hope is in the name of the Lord...in His Faith, and His Truth.

Nothing is "wasted"...we are living in a significant part of Church history that our Great Grandchildren will be reading about one day -what happened in the years of Vatican II? What did the people do with the Faith entrusted to them?

It is an answer that I want to be on the Right side of our Lord, to hear His words, and say: "Well done, good and faithful servant, because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord". (Matthew 25:21).

resistanceman · « **Reply #11 on:** May 09, 2013, 04:07:01 PM »

We've had 2 masses in Sydney from the very inspiring Father Pfeiffer, God Bless him. I have decided not to return to the SSPX masses as I find the sermons given rather lame now. I will find the clios of both +Bishop W and father Pfeiffer saying that we should not return to SSPX, and that is good enough for me. I do miss my Sunday obligation and mass, however, if any change can be made to attitudes in SSPX a sudden drop in their collection plates will send a message. In the meantime I keep the Sunday Holy by saying the rosary and reading the daily missal. In order to build up a fighting fund for the resistance I am telling friends and interested, committed Trads that if they attend SSPX chapels they must reduce their weekly offering and save the rest for the resistance.

We have Father Chazal coming here at the end of June so we hope for further inspiration and apostolic zeal to build and continue the resistance. What else is there to do? Rome is gone and +Fellay wants to join them.

Keep the Sunday Holy and stash your Sunday offering to build the resistance.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** May 09, 2013, 04:13:19 PM »

Quote from: resistanceman

We've had 2 masses in Sydney from the very inspiring Father Pfeiffer, God Bless him. I have decided not to return to the SSPX masses as I find the sermons given rather lame now. I will find the clios of both +Bishop W and father Pfeiffer saying that we should not return to SSPX, and that is good enough for me. I do miss my Sunday obligation and mass, however, if any change can be made to attitudes in SSPX a sudden drop in their collection plates will send a message. In the meantime I keep the Sunday Holy by saying the rosary and reading the daily missal. In order to build up a fighting fund for the resistance I am telling friends and interested, committed Trads that if they attend SSPX chapels they must reduce their weekly offering and save the rest for the resistance.

We have Father Chazal coming here at the end of June so we hope for further inspiration and apostolic zeal to build and continue the resistance. What else is there to do? Rome is gone and +Fellay wants to join them.

Keep the Sunday Holy and stash your Sunday offering to build the resistance.

I advocate the same thing, as far as Sunday collections go. Give some money (but less) directly to the priest -- show that you will support HIM, even if he has to "damage his career" by following the path of truth and righteousness.

When you put money in the General Collection, a percentage goes to the US District under Fr. Rostand, and another percentage goes upstream to Menzingen!

At the same time, save up some resources to help support the Resistance in your area. Bishop Williamson is doing good things with his donations, it sounds like (see the St. Marcel Initiative).

hugeman · « **Reply #13 on:** May 09, 2013, 07:47:46 PM »

Hopefully, Father Pfeiffer will see that it is more important for him to solidify the American resistance base. Too much spreading too thin may not be the best strategy-- but , perhaps there is much we don't know. Father Hewko is doing an unbelievable job all on his own-- but he needs the help and brotherhood of his comrades.

Contrary to some of the thinking above, we should be looking at this as one of the most remarkable and most exciting times to be alive. Civil governments all over the world are ready to smash down the very lives of those who proclaim to be Christian, and refuse to join the One-World religion of Wyjtola, Ratzinger, (and now) Fellay. We have a mass of humanity rushing head-strong into a clash with Almighty God Himself, all proclaiming to Him "We are our own god's!"
At the same time, the Ark that God had Archbishop Lefebvre build has hit an ice berg-- and the little ship that grew to the size of the Titanic amongst the Catholics has reached the point of barely able to keep above the water. The little lifeboats, (the SS Pfeiffer and the SS+Williamson) are getting more and more fuel and supplies, and taking on more and more oarsmen, but are still vastly undermanned and under financed.
Christ asked His friends"think ye, that when the Son of Man returns, He will find the faith?" Each day we are seeing more clearly how very possible it is that the answer to that question could very well have been "No". But for the promise of Christ that he would be with His Church until the end, we know, humanly speaking, the Church would be gone. The size, however, of that remaining Church may well indeed be exceedingly small. Some used to look at the figure of 144,000 with total amazement, claiming "no way can there only be 144,000 Catholic in the final days!"
No? How many Catholics would stand up today to protect a priest being beat by the police in Paris? How many Catholics would stand up today to protect a Bishop being attacked by a mob in Argentina? How many Catholics would stand up today to help stop an abortion at a clinic? How many Catholics would stand up today to defend a priest unjustly expelled from his order? How many Catholics would stand up today to plead the case of a Bishop unjustly stowed away as a prisoner into an attic apartment? How many Catholics would stand up and insist the church stop the sodomizing and abuse of innocent children? How many Catholics will stand up today and prevent the Society of Saint Pius X from being folded into the sodomite empire in Rome?
Yes-- these are interesting times to be alive-- and not the least because these are the times Our good Lord chose for us. And , with St Paul, we pray we can work out our salvation with fear and trembling, lest we, also, lose our souls like the mass of humanity.Save the SSPX--Save Our Souls!

Wessex · « **Reply #14 on:** May 10, 2013, 07:53:10 PM »

There is a difference of opinion. Fr. Pfeiffer wants an organisation to represent the SSPX dissidents; Fr. Chazal is occupied in Asia; Bp. W wants to serve a wider audience of separate independent apostolates better able to cope with the world problems ahead. I suspect the other independent priests have their own parishes and came to Kentucky out of curiosity.

The hardline cause lost momentum after the none-agreement with Rome. For some the battle was won even though we know that the SSPX leadership has not given up on its long-term ambition. The membership and laity seem content with the current situation, however unsatisfactory and unstable. If the coming conference in London does not create something concrete and separate from the fence-sitting SSPX mission there, it will just become yet another trad talking shop.