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Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
« on: February 26, 2013, 12:21:29 PM »
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  • I came across this fantastic sermon on another site. It gives a different, more Traditionally-minded slant to the Pope's abdication than that in the general media. It was taken down and disappeared, but someone saved it and has posted it on YouTube until it vanishes again. So listen while you can. Only 11 minutes, and worth it. I don't know how to embed the video, maybe someone will be nice enough to do it for me.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qQ7aAjzZI&feature=youtu.be



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    Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 09:22:24 PM »
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  • Agreed, good video.  What a mess this is going to be for the Church.  TIA, in keeping up to date with Vatican comings and goings, also posts articles regarding the direction the Pope wants the church to go - building a decentralized church.  They have a good read on the situation right now.

    1st Mansion, I think you probably needed to post this under Crises in the Church.

    BTW:  The voice sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it.


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    Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
    « Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 01:06:53 AM »
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  • I agree, padrepio, this forum might not be the right one, but either Crisis or
    General or Resistance or Modern World would have been okay.  It's kind of
    funny how all these things are affected by what the Pope does!  

    It seems like the priest may be a diocese priest, but what he says is not the
    kind of thing that diocese priests say any more.  But he has a priestly voice,
    without a doubt.  Sad to say SSPX priests, in the current climate of making a
    'deal' with modernist Rome, don't talk this way anymore, either!  They used
    to, though, before +Fellay got hold of the reigns!

    So maybe he's independent, but I do not recognize the voice.  There is no
    description - the person uploading it (Jennifer Mary) says the source is not
    known.  It could be that the priest recorded it himself and does not want it
    traceable to him.  

    Could it have been given in an empty church, when the speaker was able to
    say what he really wants to say but cannot?  I don't hear any coughing or
    other noises in the audience.  There is a reverb/echo that can be faked with
    dubbing, but is usually a result of the mic the speaker is using picks up the
    ambient sound of the same voice bouncing off the walls of the room.  There
    are a few faint artifacts of a distant barking dog.  So I would be inclined to
    say it may have been recorded in an empty church, at night, FWIW.  If so,
    what a shame that people didn't hear it.  So it's up to us to make up for their
    absence:  WE ARE THE AUDIENCE!

    He says that this abdication is the first one in history.  I was saying, "no, this
    has happened before, 600 years ago and more, in the past."  

    Then he made the qualifier:  never before has any pope resigned because of
    advanced age.  And I had to concur.  None of the previous times was due to
    infirmity of age.  Other popes have resigned in the past, but none of them
    have resigned because of their old age.  

    The Church has had over 260 popes in nearly 2,000 years and this is the first
    one to voluntarily end his pontificate because he thinks he is too old.  

    The reference to Hans Urs von Balthazar's Razing the Bastions is quite
    appropriate.  The erstwhile Fr. Ratzinger was an intellectual colleague of von
    Balthazar, and they were both suspect of heresy in saner days.  I had not
    known that von Balthazar authored a meditation book on Tarot cards.  But
    I'm not too surprised.  


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    Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 08:43:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    I came across this fantastic sermon on another site. It gives a different, more Traditionally-minded slant to the Pope's abdication than that in the general media. It was taken down and disappeared, but someone saved it and has posted it on YouTube until it vanishes again. So listen while you can. Only 11 minutes, and worth it. I don't know how to embed the video, maybe someone will be nice enough to do it for me.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0qQ7aAjzZI&feature=youtu.be



    A perfectly clear voice, and an excellent lesson that all can understand. It has been years since I have heard a clear sermon like this at my SSPX chapel.

    To everyone else who has an SSPX priest like mine, we should ask the same; "where are you going SSPX?"

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    Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 09:22:38 AM »
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  • Unlikely to be a diocesan priest, as I've never heard any diocesan priest starting sermons with 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy GHOST', unless someone can show me something to the contrary. Usually the modern priests will use 'Holy SPIRIT'.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 10:39:37 AM »
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  • The person who put it on youtube said it came from a site called Audiosancto, a site that posts anonymous sermons by priests. But they were pressured to remove it. She had for some reason saved it after listening to it there, and when she heard people were searching for it, she thought she should post it so it wasn't lost. It gives a whole different view of the Popes resignation than the happy-face the Church and secular media are working overtime to impress on us.  I guess even a site that was designed to give anonymous priests a voice caved in.

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    Quo Vadis Petre? or Where are You Going Peter?
    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 04:10:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: trento
    Unlikely to be a diocesan priest, as I've never heard any diocesan priest starting sermons with 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy GHOST', unless someone can show me something to the contrary. Usually the modern priests will use 'Holy SPIRIT'.



    That's a good point.  I missed that.  It's been so long since I've heard a priest
    use "Holy Spirit" that I had forgotten about it.  

    There is a theological nuance involved in this.  And it got past nearly everyone
    at first, when the trend grew in the 50's leading up to, and the 60's during the
    Council and immediately after.  The nuance is, that 'spirit' is ambiguous, and it
    can mean not only the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, but equally a feeling
    or an attitude, such as 'spirit of pride' or 'spirit of compromise,' or even "The
    Spirit of St. Loius" -- which, by the way, was an airplane. <-- website for model!




    Spirit is preferred when speaking of the 'soul of a brute animal' or of a plant, as
    the principle of life in a material living organism, distinguished from an eternal
    soul, that is, of man.  

    Our biggest problem today is that the word 'spirit' was co-opted by the
    Modernists at Vat.II to mean 'the spirit of Vatican II' which gave them carte
    blanche to spread the errors of the Council with wild abandon.  It became, as
    it were, the 'spirit of the age'.  

    We could pull out of that dead-end road and get back to normal if we would
    only recognize that they left out one word:  the unclean spirit of Vatican II.









    FWIW I just realized that Lindburgh could not see out the front of the plane
    because there was no front windshield  --  it was covered by fuel tanks
    inside the plane, 450 gallon capacity:  









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