Author Topic: Question on the Fatima Center and Fr. Kramer (Read 2673 times)

Fatimagirl · « **on:** February 17, 2016, 12:58:02 AM »

Wondering if anyone knows if the Fatima Center is remaining faithful to the authentic message of Fatima after Fr. Gruner's passing -- or -- has it been taken over by those more sympathetic to watering down the message of Fatima to mere "prayer and penance?"

The reason I ask is that, supposedly, Fr. Kramer was to be in charge of it - but there is no sign of that having happened.

Is there anyone who is close enough to what is really going on there - who can give us an update? :reporter:

Thanks!
Fatimagirl

songbird · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2016, 04:43:18 PM »

Mere prayers and penance? Did Our Lady ask for something else?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2016, 06:28:07 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Mere prayers and penance? Did Our Lady ask for something else?

Our Lady asked for the collegial consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. When the Pope, and bishops of the world join him, consecrating Russia to the IHM, then Russia will convert and there will be a period of peace. World peace shall not be obtainable without this consecration.

When enough Catholics pray and sacrifice for this intention, then it will happen, not before. We should pray and sacrifice anyway, but we should also remember this intention so we can have world peace.

Without the consecration, Russia will spread her errors throughout the world (already happened), and many nations will be annihilated (hasn't happened yet, but war is now imminent -- see what's happening in Syria).

One of the principal errors of sedevacantism is that this consecration is impossible now because we don't have any pope and the so-called bishops are not really bishops.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2016, 06:31:44 PM »

Quote from: Fatimagirl

Wondering if anyone knows if the Fatima Center is remaining faithful to the authentic message of Fatima after Fr. Gruner's passing -- or -- has it been taken over by those more sympathetic to watering down the message of Fatima to mere "prayer and penance?"

The reason I ask is that, supposedly, Fr. Kramer was to be in charge of it - but there is no sign of that having happened.

Is there anyone who is close enough to what is really going on there - who can give us an update? :reporter:

Thanks!
Fatimagirl

Fr. Kramer is not well. He suffers from several health issues, including near blindness. I doubt he has the stamina necessary for the Center. IMHO Fr. Voigt would be a great help for them these days. His outlook on Fatima is very close to Fr. Gruner's.

Fatimagirl · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2016, 06:50:13 PM »

Thank you, Neil Obstat, for your update on Fr. Kramer.

I am glad to know this - but it makes me so sad --

I think we need Fr. Kramer's voice today so much!

And, thank you, for making it clear that while penance and prayer are important, Our Lady asked for so much more!

You are right - She asked for the collegial consecration of Russia by the Holy Father, in union with the Bishops of the world - to Her Immaculate Heart! The Lord repeatedly told Sr. Lucia that "without this Consecration the world will not and cannot have peace."

Back to Fr. Kramer --

The last talk that I heard him give was "The Pope from Hell?"

Do we know if there is anything later than this?

Thanks!
Fatimagirl.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2016, 07:44:17 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

One of the principal errors of sedevacantism is that this consecration is impossible now because we don't have any pope and the so-called bishops are not really bishops.

When things are back in order, the consecration could take place, although it would be late.

Seraphia · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2016, 10:19:15 AM »

Quote from: Fatimagirl

Thank you, Neil Obstat, for your update on Fr. Kramer.

I am glad to know this - but it makes me so sad --

I think we need Fr. Kramer's voice today so much!

And, thank you, for making it clear that while penance and prayer are important, Our Lady asked for so much more!

You are right - She asked for the collegial consecration of Russia by the Holy Father, in union with the Bishops of the world - to Her Immaculate Heart! The Lord repeatedly told Sr. Lucia that "without this Consecration the world will not and cannot have peace."

Back to Fr. Kramer --

The last talk that I heard him give was "The Pope from Hell?"

Do we know if there is anything later than this?

Thanks!
Fatimagirl.

Father Kramer is on Facebook and keeps us updated everyday. You can also message him and he replies very promptly.

B from A · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2016, 10:43:31 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: songbird
Mere prayers and penance? Did Our Lady ask for something else?

Our Lady asked for the collegial consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. When the Pope, and bishops of the world join him, consecrating Russia to the IHM, then Russia will convert and there will be a period of peace. World peace shall not be obtainable without this consecration.

When enough Catholics pray and sacrifice for this intention, then it will happen, not before. We should pray and sacrifice anyway, but we should also remember this intention so we can have world peace.

Without the consecration, Russia will spread her errors throughout the world (already happened), and many nations will be annihilated (hasn't happened yet, but war is now imminent -- see what's happening in Syria).

One of the principal errors of sedevacantism is that this consecration is impossible now because we don't have any pope and the so-called bishops are not really bishops.

Plus devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary from all of us.

Quote from: Our Lady of Fatima

Jesus … wants to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart.

MariaCatherine · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2016, 10:48:17 AM »

Our Lady also asked that the Pope promote the 5 First Saturdays devotion.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2016, 01:08:35 PM »

Quote from: Seraphia

Father Kramer is on Facebook

Thank you so very much for making this known.

Seraphia · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2016, 06:53:33 PM »

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie

Quote from: Seraphia
Father Kramer is on Facebook

Thank you so very much for making this known.

He is under the name Paul Kramer https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611?fref=ts