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Offline Amicus24

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Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:15:59 AM »
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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 07:40:20 AM »
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    Hoping someone can answer this. Yesterday at Mass, only the Angelus was said and none of the other normal prayers after Low Mass, i.e. Hail Holy Queen, O God Our Refuge, St. Michael. I can't recall this ever being done at a Low Mass. Is there some rubric that allows this or is it never permissible to omit those after Low Mass?

    Also, has anyone else experienced this after Low Mass at other SSPX chapels? I'm hoping this has an explanation or was just an isolated occurrence/accident, but you never know.

    Thanks!


    My chapel has never said the Angelus after Mass, and I have never heard of a chapel having done so until your post.

    But it sounds like a good thing.

    Regarding the Leonine prayers after low Mass: Traditionally, only the priest said the prayer to St. Michael, but it was always a custom in the USA to allow the faithful to say it also as a pastoral measure (i.e., they would accuse the SSPX of modernism had the priests insisted on saying it themselves, as intended).

    But I never heard of omitting the prayers after low Mass altogether.

    That seems a bit strange.

    Perhaps they were simply forgotten?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 08:51:48 AM »
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  • Our chapel seldom has a Low Mass, so I don't know.  However, I do know that the 1962 Missal removed the prayers after Mass, so perhaps the priest is simply being completely faithful to the 1962 Missal.  Does he have the servers say the Confetior just prior to Communion time?  This was also removed from the 1962 Missal.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 08:55:21 AM »
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  • According to Fr. Anthony Cekada, he claimed that it was not recited publicly at Econe even in the 1970s:

    http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=16&catname=1#_ednref36

    "Only a handful of priests resisted the post-Vati­can II liturgical changes at first, but not ev­eryone retained the Leo­nine Prayers. I suspect this was the case in France, since at the St. Pius X Seminary in Ecône in the 1970s we never said the prayers pub­licly.[40] (I re­cited them publicly after my first Mass in 1977, an act con­sidered rather daring at the time.) "

    However, I could not recall the Leonine prayers ever omitted at SSPX Low Masses.

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 09:01:55 AM »
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    I believe that the servers said the pre-Communion Confiteor yesterday but not sure. I know that they always have in the past. But, then, the after Mass prayers have always been said to. I'm thinking Father just forgot but figured I'd get this out there in case other people noticed that happen out of nowhere.


    We now sing the Hail Holy Queen instead of reciting the Leonine prayers after low Mass. This only since they replaced our priest with a different priest -  who says that according to the rubrics, we can either recite the Leonine prayers or sing - he chooses to sing.

    He told us this from the pulpit as I think he had quite a few parishioners question him about why we stopped saying the prayers after low mass.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 11:18:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: Amicus24
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    According to Fr. Anthony Cekada, he claimed that it was not recited publicly at Econe even in the 1970s:

    http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=16&catname=1#_ednref36

    "Only a handful of priests resisted the post-Vati­can II liturgical changes at first, but not ev­eryone retained the Leo­nine Prayers. I suspect this was the case in France, since at the St. Pius X Seminary in Ecône in the 1970s we never said the prayers pub­licly.[40] (I re­cited them publicly after my first Mass in 1977, an act con­sidered rather daring at the time.) "

    However, I could not recall the Leonine prayers ever omitted at SSPX Low Masses.


    Maybe this explains things.  This was the first Mass I attended by this particular priest, who is French and would have been ordained at Econe I'm guessing.  Nearly all the other priests I've gone to were ordained at Winona or La Reja.


    Well, I doubt that. I have been to Low Masses by priests ordained at Econe, and they maintained the Leonine prayers.

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 06:41:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    We now sing the Hail Holy Queen instead of reciting the Leonine prayers after low Mass. This only since they replaced our priest with a different priest -  who says that according to the rubrics, we can either recite the Leonine prayers or sing - he chooses to sing.

    He told us this from the pulpit as I think he had quite a few parishioners question him about why we stopped saying the prayers after low mass.


    That sounds suspicious.........like the "getting us used to change thing"

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 06:44:53 PM »
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    Hoping someone can answer this.  Yesterday at Mass, only the Angelus was said and none of the other normal prayers after Low Mass, i.e. Hail Holy Queen, O God Our Refuge, St. Michael.  I can't recall this ever being done at a Low Mass.  Is there some rubric that allows this or is it never permissible to omit those after Low Mass?

    Also, has anyone else experienced this after Low Mass at other SSPX chapels?  I'm hoping this has an explanation or was just an isolated occurrence/accident, but you never know.
     
    Thanks!

    Grant


    We still did the standard 3 prayers after the Low Mass, as well as the Confiteor before Communion last Sunday, so no change by us.

    I'm wondering if the Angelus being said has anything to do with your Mass ending about noon?


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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 10:14:45 PM »
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  • Years ago - when we attended the N.O., I would go to a daily 12 pm Mass and they said the Angelus before the Mass started - what a beautiful habit it was.

    At the chapel we attend we had a French priest who would skip the Leo­nine Prayers at the end of Low Mass.  He explained it was common in France not to say them, but so many people complained he ended up saying the prayers after the Mass.

    If we would keep this up, we could keep our Faith and our chapels.  Why does it seem we give up so easily, and those who work for evil never quit?

    Viva Cristo Rey

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #9 on: November 26, 2012, 10:54:09 PM »
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  • BTW:  Our website was down again for a short while, someone has been trying to flood the server.  If it's related to inthissignyoushallconquer, then I'm happy it's doing some good and may we all keep up the good fight.  Please keep it in your prayer intentions, as we humbly pray for Our Blessed Mother's protection.

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 09:04:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: padrepio
    BTW:  Our website was down again for a short while, someone has been trying to flood the server.  If it's related to inthissignyoushallconquer, then I'm happy it's doing some good and may we all keep up the good fight.  Please keep it in your prayer intentions, as we humbly pray for Our Blessed Mother's protection.


    What website are you referring to?   Thanks in advance.


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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2012, 09:36:32 AM »
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    Years ago - when we attended the N.O., I would go to a daily 12 pm Mass and they said the Angelus before the Mass started - what a beautiful habit it was.

    At the chapel we attend we had a French priest who would skip the Leo­nine Prayers at the end of Low Mass.  He explained it was common in France not to say them, but so many people complained he ended up saying the prayers after the Mass.

    If we would keep this up, we could keep our Faith and our chapels.  Why does it seem we give up so easily, and those who work for evil never quit?

    Viva Cristo Rey


    Removing the Leonine prayers at low mass is a big warning signal. If the faithful said nothing, it would be a very bad sign. It would mean that they were totally dumbed down.


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    He explained it was common in France not to say them(the Leonine prayers)


    I would have told him that we should go to France and change that. Let's see how he likes that.

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    Question - After Low Mass Prayers - SSPX
    « Reply #12 on: November 27, 2012, 10:45:53 AM »
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  • When we attend Low Mass the prayers are included.  

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    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 11:11:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: Catechist99
    When we attend Low Mass the prayers are included.  


    C99, is this still the case?

    I have heard they stopped praying them in Post Falls.  Anyone else noticed this?  

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    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 11:21:38 AM »
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    Maybe this explains things.  This was the first Mass I attended by this particular priest, who is French and would have been ordained at Econe I'm guessing.  


    Grant, since time has passed since you wrote this, have you seen it happen again?  



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    Removing the Leonine prayers at low mass is a big warning signal.  


    Yes.