Author Topic: Putting an SSPX spin on the Buenos Aires protest (Read 3301 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** November 17, 2013, 03:32:02 PM »

Nous Ordo Watch summarized the now widely known disruptive Buenos Aires protest in the following opening paragraph:

“Buenos Aires, Argentina (Nov. 12, 2013). Blasphemy, sacrilege, and syncretism are welcome in the Catholic Cathedral of Buenos Aires; praying the Holy Rosary, the Hail Mary, the Our Father are not. For its annual commemoration of the so-called Kristallnacht incident of Nov. 9-10, 1938, when Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυєs, businesses, and homes were destroyed by paramilitary forces in nαzι Germany, the Novus Ordo authorities of the "Archdiocese" of Buenos Aires once again invited Jєωs, Protestants, and others to participate in an interfaith service held inside its Metropolitan Cathedral”.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/sspx-interfaith-service.htm

Most news accounts I’ve read conclude that the local SSPX people were responsible for organizing the protest. It appears, also, that Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, District Superior of S..A. , played a major role in the event. However, the SSPX’s own summary of the protest does not make that clear. They report simply that “around 50 Catholics prayed the Rosary before the evening’s ecuмenical event began.” But at no point in the report does SSPX claim responsibility for organizing the Rosary protest.
See http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/buenos-aires-rosary-protest-facts-2799

One of the "Catholic men," SSPX reports, “took the opportunity to use an open microphone to denounce the inter-religious act in a Catholic cathedral.” Well, not exactly according to the must see video which accompanies the Novus Ordo Watch report cited above. This burly (SSPX Catholic?) went right up front and commandeered the mike away from the priest in charge. He was not bashful about it either.

SSPX would like to suggest that a number of denominations were involved in these ecuмenical proceedings. Perhaps they were. However again, it is quite clear what the true nature of the event was. It was announced quite plainly at the beginning of it. For those who know Spanish its true purpose was unmistakable. It was a Jєω/Catholic thing.
I repeat, you must all watch the 23 minute video recording the event.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/sspx-interfaith-service.htm
It is a glorious testimony!

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2013, 04:47:59 PM »

Let's pray for more Catholics to obey the Holy Father by "making a mess" in their local diocese!

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2013, 05:43:15 PM »

Why does the catholic church have such an issue just telling Jєωs "convert or be lost."?
It's not the job of the catholic church to kiss everyone's butt all the time. The truth is objective. Jesus is the messiah. If you don't accept that, tough noogies.
Jєωs were the chosen people. They rejected their own messiah. That's their problem. So, why does the catholic church insist on glad handing them and still refer to them as the "chosen people" of God? They had their chance and chose not to take it. That's no one's fault but their own.

But I guess 'every knee shall bow and every tongue confess' when the time comes. I just wish people wouldn't be so hard headed.

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2013, 06:10:07 PM »

Quote from: Mama ChaCha

Why does the catholic church have such an issue just telling Jєωs "convert or be lost."?
It's not the job of the catholic church to kiss everyone's butt all the time. The truth is objective. Jesus is the messiah. If you don't accept that, tough noogies.
Jєωs were the chosen people. They rejected their own messiah. That's their problem. So, why does the catholic church insist on glad handing them and still refer to them as the "chosen people" of God? They had their chance and chose not to take it. That's no one's fault but their own.

But I guess 'every knee shall bow and every tongue confess' when the time comes. I just wish people wouldn't be so hard headed.

Because it's not the Catholic Church?

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2013, 06:14:43 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Mama ChaCha
Why does the catholic church have such an issue just telling Jєωs "convert or be lost."?
It's not the job of the catholic church to kiss everyone's butt all the time. The truth is objective. Jesus is the messiah. If you don't accept that, tough noogies.
Jєωs were the chosen people. They rejected their own messiah. That's their problem. So, why does the catholic church insist on glad handing them and still refer to them as the "chosen people" of God? They had their chance and chose not to take it. That's no one's fault but their own.

But I guess 'every knee shall bow and every tongue confess' when the time comes. I just wish people wouldn't be so hard headed.

Because it's not the Catholic Church?

Yep. The Counciliar Church is not the Catholic Church.

Adolphus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2013, 09:48:49 PM »

This was not the first time such celebration was taking place in one of the use-to-be-Catholic temples. Why to wait till 2013? Why not trying to stop all those false masses?

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2013, 07:52:52 AM »

Quote from: Adolphus

This was not the first time such celebration was taking place in one of the use-to-be-Catholic temples. Why to wait till 2013? Why not trying to stop all those false masses?

That is indeed the point and is the only real and necessary reason for a resistance movement in the Church. Wasting time and resources combating one liberalized Bishop and his followers is a fools errand.

That is where the fight is.

As Argentina demonstrates, the battle is in the Cathedrals, the Chanceries, and in St. Peters's sguare. The Jєωs should be confronted whenever they defame the Catholic places with their self-worshipping gatherings, as well as driving the clowns, the active ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and the pizza host presiders from the sanctuaries.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2013, 10:58:30 AM »

I am a bit surprised that no one has commented on this protest as reported on the SSPX website. In their report it is claimed that other news outlets did not properly record "the facts" of the incident. SSPX, apparently, seeks to set the record straight. However, in attempting to do so, there is absolutely no mention of the specific group of Catholics who were responsible for the demonstration. I think this may be a deliberate cover up. To my knowledge, the protesters where exclusively, or almost exclusively SSPX people, around 40 of them. Furthermore, according to my understanding, Fr. Bouchacourt led them in the protest. But these "facts" are not set out clearly in the SSPX reporting of the event. Read it again.

http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/buenos-aires-rosary-protest-facts-2799

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2013, 04:17:20 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I am a bit surprised that no one has commented on this protest as reported on the SSPX website. In their report it is claimed that other news outlets did not properly record "the facts" of the incident. SSPX, apparently, seeks to set the record straight. However, in attempting to do so, there is absolutely no mention of the specific group of Catholics who were responsible for the demonstration. I think this may be a deliberate cover up. To my knowledge, the protesters where exclusively, or almost exclusively SSPX people, around 40 of them. Furthermore, according to my understanding, Fr. Bouchacourt led them in the protest. But these "facts" are not set out clearly in the SSPX reporting of the event. Read it again.

http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/buenos-aires-rosary-protest-facts-2799

The statement leaves the door open for further "clarifications".
A good PR strategy. Be overly general and avoid specifics.

After reading it , do you have a sudden craving for Dutch Chocolate?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2013, 07:45:20 PM »

J. Paul:

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The statement leaves the door open for further "clarifications".

It's SSPX saying that some news outlet (AP?) did not get the story straight. So one would expect their own report of the event to clarify what may have been reported inaccurately. But they didn't. We don't know exactly who led the protest; nor are we certain that it was composed exclusively of SSPX faithful. I suspect that Fr. Bouchacourt led the protest and that most, if not all of the participants were SSPX. However the SSPX report does not make that matter clear at all. I think they did that deliberately. The event, I surmise, was an embarrassment to the leadership who bend over backwards not to offend "our elder brothers."

JPaul · « **Reply #10 on:** November 18, 2013, 08:20:46 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

J. Paul:
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The statement leaves the door open for further "clarifications".

It's SSPX saying that some news outlet (AP?) did not get the story straight. So one would expect their own report of the event to clarify what may have been reported inaccurately. But they didn't. We don't know exactly who led the protest; nor are we certain that it was composed exclusively of SSPX faithful. I suspect that Fr. Bouchacourt led the protest and that most, if not all of the participants were SSPX. However the SSPX report does not make that matter clear at all. I think they did that deliberately. The event, I surmise, was an embarrassment to the leadership who bend over backwards not to offend "our elder brothers."

Embarrassing for them perhaps, but a triumph for the Church over Her oppressors. Think what might happen if we Catholics began to organize and protest and deny them their propaganda liturgies around the world.
If what happened in Argentina started happening everywhere whenever the "brothers" try to co-opt the minds of Catholics in the Churches, in the schools, at the colleges, and most especially in Rome.

The Roman's would have to show their colors and demonstrate that they in fact reject all that is truly Catholic in front of their sycophantic Jєωsmedia.

Pilgrimages to Rome to assail them for their apostacy. How glorious a vision it would be.

Adolphus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2013, 10:27:19 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

J. Paul:
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The statement leaves the door open for further "clarifications".

It's SSPX saying that some news outlet (AP?) did not get the story straight. So one would expect their own report of the event to clarify what may have been reported inaccurately. But they didn't. We don't know exactly who led the protest; nor are we certain that it was composed exclusively of SSPX faithful. I suspect that Fr. Bouchacourt led the protest and that most, if not all of the participants were SSPX. However the SSPX report does not make that matter clear at all. I think they did that deliberately. The event, I surmise, was an embarrassment to the leadership who bend over backwards not to offend "our elder brothers."

As a result of the traditionalist protest at the Metropolitan Cathedral of Buenos Aires, Argentina, in opposition to the act of "reparation" for the kristallnatch, Fr Bouchacourt gave an interview that has been published as part of a radio program which can be heard (or downloaded) here (The interview is in Spanish and begins at 5 '40'' seconds and ends at 15' 45''). In the radio program, personnel of Radio Cristiandad and Father Juan José Turco (an Argentine priest who in 2010 left the SSPX to become part of the so-called Resistance and currently is residing in Colombia) analyze the events in the Cathedral of Buenos Aires.

I would summarize the interview in the following points:

+ Fr. Bouchacourt recognizes some people among the protesters.

+ It is not a rebellion, but an expression of our love for the Catholic Church.

+ The faithful went to the Cathedral to make a peaceful protest.

+ It was a reaction of the faithful who were scandalized.

+ Catholics should not pray with non-Catholics.

+ It is abnormal that John Paul II and Benedict XVI had prayed in ѕуηαgσgυєs and mosques.

+ Fr. Bouchacourt recognizes the authority of the Pope, but says he is not infallible.

+ Catholic churches are open to everybody. A Jєω can pray privately in a Catholic church.

+ Fr. Bouchacourt fully understands the reaction to the scandal. The faithful were scandalized. However, he does not know whether there was violent acts.

+ The liturgy, the cult, does not belong to us : belongs to God.

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2013, 07:54:14 AM »

We now await Menzingen's response to the Pope's condemnation.

Meg · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2013, 11:11:56 AM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Nous Ordo Watch summarized the now widely known disruptive Buenos Aires protest in the following opening paragraph:

“Buenos Aires, Argentina (Nov. 12, 2013). Blasphemy, sacrilege, and syncretism are welcome in the Catholic Cathedral of Buenos Aires; praying the Holy Rosary, the Hail Mary, the Our Father are not. For its annual commemoration of the so-called Kristallnacht incident of Nov. 9-10, 1938, when Jєωιѕн ѕуηαgσgυєs, businesses, and homes were destroyed by paramilitary forces in nαzι Germany, the Novus Ordo authorities of the "Archdiocese" of Buenos Aires once again invited Jєωs, Protestants, and others to participate in an interfaith service held inside its Metropolitan Cathedral”.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/sspx-interfaith-service.htm

Most news accounts I’ve read conclude that the local SSPX people were responsible for organizing the protest. It appears, also, that Fr. Christian Bouchacourt, District Superior of S..A. , played a major role in the event. However, the SSPX’s own summary of the protest does not make that clear. They report simply that “around 50 Catholics prayed the Rosary before the evening’s ecuмenical event began.” But at no point in the report does SSPX claim responsibility for organizing the Rosary protest.
See http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/buenos-aires-rosary-protest-facts-2799

One of the "Catholic men," SSPX reports, “took the opportunity to use an open microphone to denounce the inter-religious act in a Catholic cathedral.” Well, not exactly according to the must see video which accompanies the Novus Ordo Watch report cited above. This burly (SSPX Catholic?) went right up front and commandeered the mike away from the priest in charge. He was not bashful about it either.

SSPX would like to suggest that a number of denominations were involved in these ecuмenical proceedings. Perhaps they were. However again, it is quite clear what the true nature of the event was. It was announced quite plainly at the beginning of it. For those who know Spanish its true purpose was unmistakable. It was a Jєω/Catholic thing.
I repeat, you must all watch the 23 minute video recording the event.
http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/sspx-interfaith-service.htm
It is a glorious testimony!

I watched most of the video. I think that the protestors were brave to do such a thing. It was a distrssing to see those who were praying the Rosary in the pews (including a priest) get harrassed by some of the audience members. But they kept their cool, and didn't budge or stop praying. Good for them!

It seems that the actions of the protestors are being described as anti-semitic by some sources (especially Jєωιѕн ones), but what they were protesting, it seems, was a non-Catholic liturgy taking place in a Catholic cathedral.

Here's a recent take on the event from Eponymous Flower. I hope that Pope Francis did not really say those things attributed to him by the Jєωιѕн fellow whom the Pope received, but he probably did say them, sadly. It would be good to have a confirmation from another source that he did say those things:

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/11/did-pope-francis-condemn-catholic.html

2Vermont · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2013, 06:16:05 PM »

The young Catholics had previously asked the Archbishop unsuccessfully in writing and with a public appeal, to not open the church for a non-Catholic "liturgy".

I did not know this. Funny how that wasn't reported.