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Offline St.Patrick

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PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
« on: July 17, 2017, 02:20:56 PM »
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  • Nobody seems to have picked up on this so I though I would post it up, but the priestly union of Marcel lefebvre founded in 2014 to give priests a loose structure has disbanded. The statement of the organisation was put out on the 7th of July. You can read it for yourselves.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fcanadafidele.com%2F2017%2F07%2F07%2Fdernier-communique-de-lusml%2F%23more-2994&edit-text=&act=url

    It says that basically that since there were priests withdrawing from it, there was no point in maintaining it. Father Rioult, Father Pinaud and Father Roy will be acting independently from now on



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    Latest USML release
    7 July 2017 / Canada Faithful
    Created in 2014, the Priestly Union Marcel Lefebvre (USML) gathered priests who denounced the subversion undertaken by the leaders of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X.
    The three founding principles that united the members of this union were:
    • A) priestly friendship without a hierarchical structure
    • B) the fight against apostate Rome
    • C) the refusal of any dogmatic sectarianism.
    For several months, several members, no longer fulfilling the requirements of the founding principles, preferred to withdraw from the USML.
    The last three members, assembled as planned, see in these defections an indication of Providence that it is no longer appropriate to maintain the existence of the USML.

    Indeed, the absence of legitimate authority and the lowering of characters all too often prevent the practice of the virtues necessary for the existence of a structure, no matter how slight.
    As Archbishop Lefebvre said: " Starting with John XXIII, we can say that we are no longer in a normal time of the Church ." (Cos. 111b, 1984). What to do ?
    Father Calmel has very well defined the attitude that priests as well as laity should adopt in these abnormal times:
    " The means, it seems to me, to allow the Christian struggle to reach its full extent by escaping internal conflicts and external rivalries, is to lead it by small units, who know each other to the extent that they But who refuse to enter into certain systematic and universal organizations. In these various units, such as a modest school, a humble convent, a brotherhood of piety, a small grouping of Christian families, an organization of pilgrimage, authority is real and indisputable; The problem of the chief practically does not arise; The work to be done is precise. It is only a question of going to the end of his grace and of his authority in the little sphere of which one is undoubtedly in charge, by being connected, without great administrative machinery, with those who do the same. (Itineraries, Authority and Holiness in the Church, No. 149 - January 1971)
    The experience of recent years shows us that Father Calmel's intuition must not remain a view of the mind but must be accepted in its practical consequences.
    For our part, we will continue our ministry according to these same principles in collaboration with the confreres of good will.

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    https://canadafidele.com/2017/07/07/dernier-communique-de-lusml/#more-2994


    Offline MaterDominici

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 09:01:07 PM »
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  • I know there are differences, but from an uninformed point of view, the USML seemed redundant after the establishment by Bp Faure of the SAJM.

    In other words, wouldn't any Resistance priest still wishing to belong to a structured organization join the SAJM?
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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 04:25:28 PM »
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  • The idea was that it would give a moral support without the same level of commitment as the SSPX/SAJM .
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 05:37:21 PM »
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  • The structure that Lefebvre created was intended to corral that body of disaffection resulting from the comprehensively changed theology and practices. His personalised mission stalled shortly after the 1988 consecrations that were largely showpiece events that were not meant to lead to much. The laity were expecting more than a permanent policy of wait and see was ever going to deliver. The alternative to this situation was always merging with the mainstream but even the state of merging without actually merging has become a fixed policy and sums up what R and R (and the archbishop) was always about.

    The breaking away of priests and groups at various times has been just as much a reaction to the impotence of fenced-in arbitrary trad structures as it was to the horrors in the mainstream. It is not surprising that the idea of loose associations of priests is becoming the next form (or formless) way of maintaining a body of authority within the uncontaminated remnant. What is happening here is the end of centralisation for the foreseeable future and a realisation that the Church has become a very localised thing depending for her strengths on the innate fidelity of individuals instead of the corruptible inclinations of institutions whether longstanding or makeshift.

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 07:38:08 AM »
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  • Wessex,
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    The structure that Lefebvre created was intended to corral that body of disaffection resulting from the comprehensively changed theology and practices. His personalised mission stalled shortly after the 1988 consecrations that were largely showpiece events that were not meant to lead to much. The laity were expecting more than a permanent policy of wait and see was ever going to deliver. The alternative to this situation was always merging with the mainstream but even the state of merging without actually merging has become a fixed policy and sums up what R and R (and the archbishop) was always about.
    How very true this has proven to be. Little has changed since then save the inevitable fragmentation which is due to the unguided and flaccid responses to the Revolution. Even this resistance so called has its dance with the Novus Ordo religionists from time to time as they continue to wait to see.


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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 10:00:10 AM »
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  • @JPaul: <<Even this resistance so called has its dance with the Novus Ordo religionists from time to time as they continue to wait to see.

    Happened in India at least on two occasions as far as I know.

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #6 on: July 21, 2017, 10:58:39 AM »
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  • @JPaul: <<Even this resistance so called has its dance with the Novus Ordo religionists from time to time as they continue to wait to see.

    Happened in India at least on two occasions as far as I know.
    Happened in New York as we all know. I was unaware of the Indian business. They are still riding the fence line to keep the herd from straying. 

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2017, 05:49:50 AM »
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  • @JPaul: <<Even this resistance so called has its dance with the Novus Ordo religionists from time to time as they continue to wait to see.

    Happened in India at least on two occasions as far as I know.
    In India AJNC? Who? When?  :confused:
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2017, 05:54:14 AM »
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  • In India AJNC? Who? When?  :confused:
    Concerning a marriage and baptism. Novus Ordo premises and certification; Marian-Corps celebrant.September 2016 and July 2017 respectively.

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #9 on: July 22, 2017, 06:54:04 AM »
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  •  :o what's going on?  :(
    "It is impious to say, 'I respect every religion.' This is as much as to say: I respect the devil as much as God, vice as much as virtue, falsehood as much as truth, dishonesty as much as honesty, Hell as much as Heaven."
    Fr. Michael Muller, The Church and Her Enemies

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    Re: PUML disbands (Priestly Union of Marcel Lefebvre)
    « Reply #10 on: July 22, 2017, 02:47:02 PM »
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  • The same thing I ask myself: What is happening in the so-called resistance? :o It would be good to know in detail to know who are those who flirt with the modernists and not be deceived by them.  :facepalm: