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Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
« on: August 18, 2018, 09:27:18 AM »
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  • I must publicly criticize Tradidi (Samuel L., a former CathInfo member) for his prideful stance towards Bishop Williamson. He is trying to tell the bishop what to do: He is literally commanding (not asking, not suggesting) the good Bishop to donate large sums of money to this particular Carmel.

    Unless you consider this to be "asking": "Your Excellency, we ask that you too “put your money where your mouth is” and support the Carmelites who are also in desperate need to find a home."

    Might as well say, "Your Excellency, we humbly ask you to PUT UP OR SHUT UP and make a huge donation to the charity of my choice."

    Samuel has disseminated a petition on his website and even his e-mail list -- which he had removed me from (I guess he added me back just this once, for this important cause).

    Asking in such a way that the other party can't refuse -- without being painted as a hypocrite or impostor -- can hardly be considered a polite request!

    Samuel is stepping WAY over bounds by trying to force the Bishop to do Samuel's will by rabble-rousing a "petition". Since when do Catholics engage in tactics normally used by leftist, radical SJWs (Social Justice Warriors)?

    I'm serious -- are petitions even a Catholic thing? I mean, when the recipient of the petition in question is the Pope, a local Bishop, a parish priest, etc. 

    I smell an anti-clerical spirit here.

    What's wrong with a polite and respectful e-mail to the Bishop, suggesting that he support this Carmel, and leaving it at that?

    Samuel, you're a layman. Know your place! You have no place telling a bishop what to do. Your petition completely lacks respect for Bishop Williamson, both his person and his office.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 09:30:46 AM »
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  • I will borrow someone's words, and say this about Tradidi.com:

    To put it as mildly as I can, I believe there are some good reasons to believe that Tradidi has failed to live up to the proud boasts of its owner, and that the Resistance has quietly moved on. In fact, I personally can't think of anyone I know within the Resistance who has of lately much good to say about that website. And I put at least part of the blame at the feet of its owner, on account of his lack of respect for good Catholic bishops who are doing their job. It reminds me of the Resistance a few years ago distancing itself from that other proud rooster from the UK with his trashy tabloid.

    If anything, we should say a few extra prayers for these people to overcome their enormous pride, as God has been known to resist the proud and to give His graces to the humble instead.

    But I admit, both of them are painting a poor picture of the Resistance to the ignorant spectator looking for an excuse to remain within the mystical corpse of the SSPX.

    So, yes, it looks like another division and another haemorrhage. So be it. In this battle there will be casualties, and when one falls, another will take it’s place. But just like we never judged the SSPX by its casualties, neither should the Resistance be judged by its casualties.
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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2018, 10:25:47 AM »
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  • Samuel,

    Dare thee thou to speakest to the Bishop so?

    :fryingpan:

    Proud Samuel... bad!
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #3 on: August 19, 2018, 11:07:18 AM »
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  • Samuel has already written a long, silvery tongued (but nevertheless full of errors) reply to my rebuke.

    Here is an excerpt:

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    As a bonus, Matthew finally showed us the real bone he’s trying to pick and started a third thread to enlighten his audience.4 A few weeks ago I defended the Resistance, but in doing so I committed the horrible crime of mildly criticizing Matthew’s forum. I rewrote that particular part several times so as not to cause more waves than necessary, but obviously even that was still too much for Matthew to swallow. For a man who constantly prides himself on being “tolerant”, even to the point of tolerating outright heresies, and who is in charge of a forum known for it’s gossip and slander, it is rather odd that a little reality check can be so hurtful.

    Here are my replies to Samuel:

    1. In your post (which anyone can read for themselves) you said that I was another Greg Taylor that had fallen from grace. That's not a small charge. We're talking about the Wreckusant here! If that's "mildly criticizing" me, I'd hate to ever see you really take the gloves off!

    2. I don't tolerate outright heresies. If you are going to make such a bold and serious charge, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it with at least ONE or TWO examples, which you don't (how convenient). Why don't you give an example of heresy on CathInfo? Is it because you're just lying or slandering me and/or my forum?

    Sounds like a classic case of projection to me. You accuse me of that which YOU are guilty of. Just look at you! You claim I coddle heresies and allow slander on the forum. You offer no proof or examples. How is that not slander?

    3. Gossip and slander, eh? You remind me of the Fake News media that keeps harping on the nothing-burger that is "Russian Collusion" here in the United States. There wasn't a shred of evidence for Trump committing any Russian Collusion in 2016, and nothing has come up after 2 years of investigation. However, that doesn't stop the leftist, corporate MainStreamMedia from repeating the lie early and often. As the communists teach, "Repeat a lie often enough and it will become the truth."

    4. Regarding your charge that Bishop Williamson is an "untouchable hero" for me, I could make a similar charge about you: You are grinding your axe against +Williamson because you are frustrated with him, he won't do your will, etc. quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur. ("What is gratuitously asserted can be gratuitously denied.") You don't like how he operates. You aren't completely anti-Bishop Williamson like some (e.g., Pfeifferites) but you, like Sean Johnson, are quick to criticize him, especially on certain topics like the Bishop's general modus operandi.


    I point Samuel to what I said yesterday:

    And to any of you CathInfo-haters reading this, I defy you to produce any examples of sins of the tongue on this forum. Just send me a link in a quick e-mail: my address is matthew at cathinfo dot com. I will not only address the sin(s), but I'll issue a written apology for each post I failed to delete in a separate thread for EACH POST THAT YOU FIND. I will entitle the threads, "Matthew has failed as a moderator - #1", #2, etc. Within the thread, I will link to the thread, or give the old link if the whole thread had to be deleted.
    This is a chance to humiliate Matthew on CathInfo! And such posts won't even be deleted or moderated!  Come on, guys, CathInfo is a cesspool of filth as you always say -- it should be easy to find some "crap" in a cesspool or septic tank, right? Don't tell me you can't find any filth in a cesspool! In other words, it's time to put up or shut up.

    Come on, Samuel!  If CathInfo is "known for its gossip and slander" you should easily be able to find ONE EXAMPLE of such. But you can't. No one can. Because detraction and slander don't last long here. They are both against the rules.

    So enough of your baseless charge that CathInfo has heresy, or any slander or detraction. It's high time you either put up (give us SOME evidence, please!) or shut up.

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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2018, 11:23:04 AM »
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  • And I stand by my original assessment of Samuel's "petition".

    1. There is an old saying, "A word to the wise is sufficient". Why does Samuel belabor the point about the importance of Carmels in the life of the Church, the economy of grace, and the salvation of souls. Doesn't he think that the Bishop (who has forgotten more than laymen like Samuel or myself have ever learned about the Catholic Faith) already knows this? If "a word to the wise" isn't enough -- and it clearly isn't for Samuel, because he belabors the point -- he must consider the Bishop either ignorant or non-wise.

    2. Samuel also admits that he already asked a couple of times, and basically got a "no". You can't force Bishop Williamson to do your will, no matter how biased you are, how many daughters you have in a given convent, etc. Just give up already! It's not respectful to try to bring a petition into it, or to try to guilt-trip the bishop into doing your will. That is not right, and it is not respectful.

    But if you do insist on proceeding with such a fool's errand, then A) don't be surprised when others defend the Bishop and/or rebuke your impudence, and B) don't hold your breath for any favorable results.

    3. At least you admit you're biased because your daughter is involved. You are letting your emotions get in the way of clear Catholic thought on this matter. At least I can see this situation objectively because I don't have a daughter involved.

    4. Saying "We ask you" doesn't make a demand into a request. The context of the alleged "request" must be taken into account: the whole letter, its contents, its tone, the existence of past requests, its audience (is it a public petition, or a private letter?) and other important points.

    I could say, "We ask you to do the right thing and show yourself a non-hypocrite by donating large sums of money to the charity of my choice." Or what if I was extremely condescending in the whole letter, trying to teach a bishop the basics of the economy of grace and the soul of the apostolate? (The necessity of contemplative orders for gaining grace from God, which is used by priests in the active apostolate to convert souls)

    5. Again, I ask the public: are petitions like this even a Catholic thing? I'm referring specifically to the case of submitting a petition to the Pope, Bishop, or priest with a bunch of signatures which are intended to give the petition more weight -- as if the will of the people is somehow sacred. Isn't there a heresy in there somewhere? Anti-clericalism? Anti-hierarchy? Americanism? False democratic ideas from the so-called Enlightenment? "The will of God" and/or authority coming from the people rather than from God?

    By citing 5+ examples and quotes from +ABL, and actively saying that +ABL would have certainly donated to this cause, it is implied that +Williamson is either a hypocrite and/or "no follower of +ABL".

    I repeat: If a man can't refuse a "request" without looking like a complete ______, then it's not a respectful request! It's a thinly veiled demand, or something else. But it's not a polite request.


    Another excerpt from Samuel's "petition":


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    Your Excellency, we do not ask for miracles, but only that you follow the Archbishop's example, to help those who need your help, to gather with Him, as Our Lord asked you to.

    So, how would +Williamson theoretically refuse this "request"?

    "No, I choose to NOT follow the saintly Archbishop's example. And I will also pass on the "gathering with Our Lord". He asked me to? Too bad, I guess."

    How would that make Bishop Williamson look?

    Sorry, but this is NOT a respectful letter.
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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #5 on: August 19, 2018, 01:56:32 PM »
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  • Tradidi's Rebuke

    Exhibit A


       Samuel's "silver tongue"
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Public Rebuke for Samuel of Tradidi.com
    « Reply #6 on: August 19, 2018, 02:15:57 PM »
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  • Please don't forget the Carmelite nuns at the perimeter of the issue. They are blameless and much in need of help. The problematic petition has seemingly countermanded the validity of the appeal on their behalf. If the resistance can't manage to support two (so far) little nuns in an effort to establish the blessings innate to a Carmel, I don't see what larger things we can hope to maintain.

     

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