Any possibility of a more lighthearted topic?  For the benefit of the 'newbie' 'stbrigidswell' I reposted material about Max. Clare in England is already screaming " obsessed".

It would be great actually to get a few new interesting topics.

It's a mystery as to how John Anthony believes that.

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Any possibility of a more lighthearted topic?  For the benefit of the 'newbie' 'stbrigidswell' I reposted material about Max. Clare in England is already screaming " obsessed".

It would be great actually to get a few new interesting topics.

I think that it is not a matter of obsession but rather the fact that it is unresolved and remains as an open scandal that has been suppressed.

I am only teasing Clare. She just wasn't aware there was a specific reason behind things.

Any possibility of a more lighthearted topic?  For the benefit of the 'newbie' 'stbrigidswell' I reposted material about Max. Clare in England is already screaming " obsessed".

It would be great actually to get a few new interesting topics.

Every member is welcome to start whatever topics they want. Be my guest!

Sometimes there's just not much news going on. Let's face it; we're in a slow period for the Resistance right now. Unless we could get a live webcam up at the new Kentucky seminary or something...

Slink his way back in is right.  I am sorry, but I have had it up to my eyeballs with the likes of apologists for the SSPX leadership sins of 2012.  Who cares what he has to say?   He prays on the weak minds of those who live on the fence or do not want to take the time to know the facts and tries to pull them back over to his side with supposed erudite summations, as a lawyer is wont to do.

Cantate, perhaps you could carry on your debate with him in another venue.  People have moved on and are planning for the next step when the other shoe drops, and it will eventually. John will say the shoe didn't hit the floor.  

Dear Nickolas,

I think that you will find that Cantate has moved beyond all concern for Bishop Fellay's footwear or the future turns at the Menzingen real estate development company. She is on to something much larger now.

There are some of us who are more concerned in which direction the resistance feet are heading. That is, whether they will continue to follow the Menzingen saga or turn to the battle to recapture Rome and the chanceries of the Church.

Bishop Fellay and the society have become irrelevant to the fight for tradition and their apologists and supporters with them.

I'm reminded of a Bugs Bunny cartoon in which Bugs slams a door on his pursuers.  As they beat on the door, he puts his back against it, strikes a mock 30s actress pose and says, "My public!  They love me so."

I do think the Pope is a Catholic.  He thinks that he is, and a man who can both make a completely relativist statement to Eugenio Scalfari, and denounce relativism to La Repubblica a few days later, probably doesn't have a clear enough understanding of the faith to deny it.  

If you haven't seen them, there are a couple of pictures of +Fellay on sspx.org from the Angelus Press Conference.  They clearly are from his remarks on the Pope, because his expression is of absolute stupefaction.

The previous comments on this string seem to fall into three buckets:

1.  Those for whom involvement in the Resistance is a form of entertainmnt.  

2.  Those who talk about fighting Rome.  Of them I ask: what are your proposed tactics?

3.  Those who are looking to build a new SSPX under the leadership of Fr. Pfeiffer and his small handful of active clerical supporters.  Of them I ask: what is the program of this organization?  It will form priests.  To do what?  To join Frs. Hewko and Girouard in castigating the old SSPX, or something else, or some combination of the two?

All that needs to be said about the first bucket is that it isn't even Catholic.  

What I want to know about the other two buckets is whether and to what extent they reflect a Catholic spirit.  If their proponents can say something further about them, we might make some progress in figuring that out.

I'm reminded of a Bugs Bunny cartoon in which Bugs slams a door on his pursuers.  As they beat on the door, he puts his back against it, strikes a mock 30s actress pose and says, "My public!  They love me so."

I do think the Pope is a Catholic.  He thinks that he is, and a man who can both make a completely relativist statement to Eugenio Scalfari, and denounce relativism to La Repubblica a few days later, probably doesn't have a clear enough understanding of the faith to deny it.  

If you haven't seen them, there are a couple of pictures of +Fellay on sspx.org from the Angelus Press Conference.  They clearly are from his remarks on the Pope, because his expression is of absolute stupefaction.

The previous comments on this string seem to fall into three buckets:

1.  Those for whom involvement in the Resistance is a form of entertainmnt.  

2.  Those who talk about fighting Rome.  Of them I ask: what are your proposed tactics?

3.  Those who are looking to build a new SSPX under the leadership of Fr. Pfeiffer and his small handful of active clerical supporters.  Of them I ask: what is the program of this organization?  It will form priests.  To do what?  To join Frs. Hewko and Girouard in castigating the old SSPX, or something else, or some combination of the two?

All that needs to be said about the first bucket is that it isn't even Catholic.  

What I want to know about the other two buckets is whether and to what extent they reflect a Catholic spirit.  If their proponents can say something further about them, we might make some progress in figuring that out.

Hmm, hope I'm not feeding a troll here or something, but I will give you my own answer to this.

My idea of "fighting Rome" involves raising truly Catholic families, which result in true vocations if God wills it and more strong families that will populate heaven. It also involves NO COMPROMISE, and basically is patient, waiting for God's own time for Him to fix this terrible crisis in the Church.

I do not believe that the resistance is building a "new" SSPX. I believe they are carrying on what Archbishop Lefevbre had always done, and had intended the SSPX to be... basically where the "institutionalized" SSPX left off. The "more interested in money and property" craving to be "recognized and accepted" "human respect oriented" institutionalized SSPX has strayed from that, and the resistance are just carrying on what has been gradually left aside over several years. When/if the resistance should stray from that mission, I won't be with them anymore, just as I recognized the SSPX straying.

Being that I have never been a part of the institutionalized SSPX before (an independent Catholic), I was in a somewhat unique position. I recognized several years ago, instead of keeping my head buried in the sand as many, many people did, since we were unaffiliated with the SSPX, I kept up with what was going on in the SSPX before they systematically took over the independent Church I was attending until September of 2012. Recognizing the contradictions and the ambiguity came easily for me, being instructed for many years by a former SSPX priest, Fr. Bolduc, that this was occurring. In order to be consistent, I could not go along with what was going on, and thank God there were people standing against those inconsistencies and ambiguities, else I don't know what I would have done.

If the resistance should become inconsistent, or ambiguous, or begin to make compromises, I will swiftly leave their presence, just as if Fr. Bolduc had compromised, I would have abandoned him, too. Many of us don't want to go through "Vatican II redux." I don't know how you could blame us for that.