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Re: Proposal for ‘Amazonian Catholic rite’
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2019, 01:02:28 AM »
They are saying that with the coming of the Catholic Faith infanticide is being wiped out.

A bishop of a diocese in Brazil has said reports about infanticide being carried out by some indigenous peoples were “shocking,” but that he was unaware of any such practices continuing among the indigenous people who are part of his flock.
Speaking to reporters at the Vatican today during a break in the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon Region, Bishop Wilmar Santin of Itaituba, Brazil, acknowledged infanticide was a practice of the past, and that although he has not witnessed it in his diocese, was unable to say if it continues “for other peoples.”
The issue of infanticide has become a focus of discussions in the media after it emerged that the practice is continuing among possibly as many as 20 indigenous peoples in the Amazon.
Amazonian chief Jonas Marcolino Macuxí also told the Register and a Rome conference this month that infanticide is still practiced, and that it had been dying out until liberation theologians arrived in the region in the 1970s.
Peruvian Cardinal Pedro Ricardo Barreto Jimenez told reporters Tuesday he was unaware the practice was still occurring, and challenged the media to produce evidence.
Swiss Vatican journalist Giuseppe Rusconi then published four pieces of docuмented evidence (translated here in English by Italian Vaticanist Sandro Magister).

In his comments, Bishop Santin explained how serious the practice was among the Munduruku people of his diocese until religious sisters, many working as nurses, “slowly made sure the practices disappeared completely.” He said the Munduruku people are a “bellicose” people who, before the missionaries arrived, “cut off the heads” of enemies and “took them as trophies.”

Bishop Medardo de Jesús Henao Del Río, the apostolic vicar of Mitú, Colombia, told reporters that before missionaries arrived in his diocese in 1914, children with defects were “left to die, eaten by animals or ants.” Then the Church arrived and set up “shelters for these children” and priests started “visiting communities and forming people on these topics.”
They tried to show them, he said, “that there wasn’t an evil spirit that had damaged the child, and so they then stopped carrying out these practices.”
Bishop Del Río said “semi-nomadic groups” also welcome and no longer reject twins or children with Down syndrome, although he recalled the case of a girl with epilepsy and another who had a tumor on her ear where the parents would not let priests visit them.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/amazon-synod-day-4

Re: Proposal for ‘Amazonian Catholic rite’
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2019, 01:18:01 AM »
Ex-shaman’s grandson on Vatican ‘pagan’ ritual: ‘I…couldn’t believe my eyes’

VATICAN CITY, October 11, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― The American grandson of an indigenous ex-shaman was appalled when he saw a video of an Amazonian religious ceremony that took place in the Vatican this week.

“I saw the ceremony that was performed in the Vatican garden and couldn't believe my eyes,” Rexcrisanto Delson told LifeSiteNews.  
“There were idols, and even a Franciscan participated,” he continued.

“I later learned that an Amazon tribal leader confirmed it was purely pagan. Did the Catholics who participated and supported such a vile act not know it was pagan?”

Delson said that even if they didn’t know then, they should know now.  


“There's no excuse from here on out to claim they didn't know they were violating the first commandment,” he said, and quoted Psalm 95:5 in saying that “all the gods of the Gentiles are devils.”

The Vatican ceremony reminded Delson, who has Igorot ancestry, of a slip in his own past when he “unknowingly participated” in a pagan Igorot religious ceremony.

“I [thought] it was the harmless playing of our gangsas (hand held musical gongs) before we prepared a native dish of slaughtered chickens,” he said.

“Prayers were said by an Igorot shaman, who was from a different Igorot tribe. I learned from him later that he actually summoned deities,” he continued.

“I later went to Confession and never did that again. When I reflect on that and the things I learned from the exorcist Fr. Chad Ripperger about opening doors for the demonic when we sin, I become angry to see this being allowed in the Vatican.”

The Igorot tribes are from the highlands of the Philippines. Delson said that indigenous tribes in the Amazon should be given the same catechesis offered to the Igorot by a certain Polish saint.

“I wish the indigenous people of the Amazon could hear something similar to what the indigenous Igorots heard from Pope John Paul II when he visited the Phillipine Cordillera mountains in 1981,” Delson said.

“After mentioning each tribe, he expressed praise, appreciation, and compassion for our culture, he ended with ‘Yet in all this, the Church never forgets the primacy of her spiritual mission, remembering that her ultimate goal is to lead all men and women to eternal salvation in Christ’," Delson recalled.

Reflecting on the Vatican garden ceremony, he concluded: ““This Synod's message is contrary to Pope John Paul's message then. Instead of leading the indigenous to salvation, the opposite seems to be taking place.”

Delson was infuriated by an Austrian-born Brazilian bishop’s belief that the indigenous people of the Amazon are incapable of understanding or receiving a celibate priestly vocation.


“I just heard what Bishop Kräutler said about the indigenous people not understanding celibacy,” he told LifeSiteNews. He continued:

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I find it very offensive as an indigenous person. I even find it very racist. These people who believe such things seem to have forgotten the role of missionaries as understood in the past when the primary purpose and goal was to convert and baptize people - to save their souls.
This Bishop fails to understand that the indigenous do not understand celibacy because their intellect has not been fed the Truth of our Catholic faith. Of course they may struggle with the idea of a man not having a wife because this is foreign to them. They aren't the first who thought this.
I'm sure when the Belgium priests and missionaries began evangelizing my pagan Igorot ancestors, they too were wondering why these men did not have a wife. To them, it isn't natural. That is precisely why they needed to be taught the "supernatural" of our Catholic faith. How can one's will lead to the priesthood if one's intellect has not been properly been fed the Truth? It can't. This is why the Church needs to focus on elevating the intellect of the indigenous instead of lowering Herself to their pagan beliefs and practices.
My pagan ancestors were rooted in the natural law and rich in spiritualism, which made them fertile soil for the seed of our Catholic Faith to grow and flourish. Once they were properly catechized, it was clear to them that head hunting and their worship of false gods were wrong. After learning about the priesthood and the significance of a priest as persona Christi, they grasped the Truth about celibacy.

Delson’s own grandfather was a pagan shaman, and Delson told LifeSiteNews that his Catholic mother, the shaman’s daughter, was so worried about her father’s soul that she took it upon herself to convert him to the Catholic faith.

“This is what is absent from the Amazon Synod - a real concern for the souls of the indigenous,” Delson declared.

“Countless of Igorots, when presented and taught the Truth had enough intelligence to follow it and became baptized Christians because man is ordered towards the good,” he continued.

“The indigenous people of the Amazon also have the intellect and are fertile soil for the Truth. They are not stupid. They just need to be taught the Truth.”

Delson said that as an indigenous person from the Philippines he can’t speak directly for the indigenous tribes of the Amazon, but he does resent them being used as an excuse “to promote an agenda for married priests.”

“Again, it boils down to proper catechism, which is sadly lacking today,” he declared.

“Man is ordered towards good and that all my ancestors needed was the Catholic Faith to enlighten the natural their reason which is grounded in the natural law. The Synod is making the grave mistake of falling away from the evangelization that led to many conversions of Igorots and other indigenous people in the past.”




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Re: Proposal for ‘Amazonian Catholic rite’
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2019, 01:26:33 AM »
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Re: Proposal for ‘Amazonian Catholic rite’
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2019, 09:10:52 AM »
At a time when the Pan Amazon Synod is currently underway, much before Vatican II, and much before most of us were born, priests would walk miles to give these people the traditional Latin Mass. This photo was clicked before 1960. A priest saying the traditional Mass in the Amazon region.


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https://gloria.tv/photo/oW47J4qCPCK82ojBhmx14DZjf

Notice there's no laptop to log the nil collection or the innumerable calories lost by the priest in getting to the venue.

Re: Proposal for ‘Amazonian Catholic rite’
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2019, 12:27:26 AM »
As President of the Vatican Dicastery for the Promotion of Integral Human Development, the issues currently being discussed at the Synod of Bishops for the Amazon, are very close to Cardinal Peter Turkson.
Pope Francis called for this Special Synodal Assembly in 2017 indicating that the main objective is “to find new ways for the evangelization of that portion of the People of God, especially the indigenous, often forgotten and without a perspective of a good future, also for the cause of the crisis of the Amazonian forest, lung of fundamental importance for our planet”.
Speaking on the side-lines of the Synod at the start of its second week, Cardinal Turkson told Linda Bordoni that the Dicastery he heads was involved in planning for it from day one.
For me, Cardinal Turkson explained, the Synod is like a link in a chain and he said it’s been quite a long time that he has been following its development, starting with the first meetings between Pope Francis and the Popular Movements.
With the Popular Movements, he said, the focus was primarily on three basic rights: access to land, access to housing and access to work..
Here at the Synod, he continued, many of the same issues have come to light and directly regard the indigenous peoples.
“What are they looking for? Integrity of their land, jobs and ultimately human dignity,” he said.
Cardinal Turkson also spoke of the precious collaboration that has taken place between his Dicastery and the nine Churches of the Amazon region that make up the ecclesial network REPAM.  
“For us, we see a progression stimulated by Pope Francis,” he said.
The Synod is part of an ongoing process
Cardinal Turkson said that it is “a keen sense of interest in the evolution and development of everything that has happened up to this moment” that he is following the Synodal process, and he stressed “It is not a point of arrival.”
He noted that discussions and interventions are bring to the fore many different issues, “some pastoral, some social, some developmental”.
From the point of view of his Dicastery, he said that although his team is deeply involved in the pastoral needs of the people, it is also very much aware of their other needs as well.
The Cardinal said that while it is important to help the indigenous peoples safeguard their culture and their heritage, the Amazon region must not be considered a  museum: “we must help the people of the Amazon to open up”.
Leaving no one behind
“We must help them open up to modernity, to innovation, to development, “ he said, “The people of Amazonia, he said, must not be left behind”.
Cardinal Turkson expressed his belief that the Church’s pastoral concerns must include a clear vision and a programme that facilitates and promotes the growth of Amazonians in the realms of modernity and innovation .
He mentioned the possibility, for example, of offering all peoples the choice of being able to use solar energy and modern means of communications.
“I suspect that mobile phones are there… how do they charge them?” he said.
We need, he said, to recognize the very many factors that promote development and the common good, not betraying their culture, but making life easier and more fulfilling for them.
“This is also part of the vision that I think we need to set ourselves to realizing,” he concluded

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2019-10/amazon-synod-cardinal-turkson-integral-human-development.html

what I would like to know is what will be the reaction of these people if after opening up they decide to develop in a way that is not "ecologically approved."