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Offline Marlelar

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« on: October 07, 2015, 02:02:41 PM »
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  • In spite of all the issues with the SSPX this is still an impressive sight.

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    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 02:06:58 PM »
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  • I was just going to post the same video. I will embed it here:

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/onogdJN_So4[/youtube]
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    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 02:07:55 PM »
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  • Thanks!  I still can't figure out how to do that although I've read the directions :fryingpan:

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    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 02:10:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    In spite of all the issues with the SSPX this is still an impressive sight.

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    Yes, but instead of playing boring old Catholic Gregorian chant, they opted for Hollywood "excite the emotions" orchestra in the background.

    This is the neo-SSPX "let's hire a branding corporation" we all know and love, all right. They practically tell us, "Forget the doctrine in The Soul of the Apostolate. What we need are the services of a corporate branding agency. I guess we're just smarter than Abp. Lefebvre, Moses, the prophets, and Our Lord, who didn't make use of such worldly means to advance the cause of the Faith."

    And let's not forget: the compromised groups which made a deal with Rome -- those working under Rome's authority -- are great at things like fighting abortion, sodomy, euthanasia, in vitro fertilization, birth control, and other issues of the Natural Law. Fundamentalist (a.k.a. "those with beliefs") Protestants often get these issues right, too, so that isn't saying much.

    How they do on Catholic issues, however -- that's another story. But why would the SSPX be *worse* than these indult groups on Natural Law issues? I see no reason why they would be. They might even be better than the others, at least for a while, because they're so anxious to behave and prove they haven't fallen.

    But how well do they fight Vatican II? Do they believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs? Do they still believe the Freemasons have taken over the Church? Do they believe the modern world is still totally bad? Do they still believe Vatican II is all bad? Do they still believe in the 2-millennia and counting opposition of the Jєωs? And so forth.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 02:38:34 PM »
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  • It's a beautiful procession that is fit for Our Lady!
    I also thought the music was appropriate. It's combat music and we are in the middle of a war with this synod!
    "But Henry, but Henry, there were no lit candles next to the processional cross. See, the neo-SSPX has all but forgotten the rubrics and the processional cross is not where it should be. They even had a police escort! Why don't they trust in the singular protection of Our Lady instead of working with the sodomite-supporting government for protection! Also, the video didn't mention anything about the evils of Halloween and that is right around the corner! Why did they miss this perfect opportunity! They are slipping!"
    Excuse the sarcasm.
    What a great witness of faith in the community for a large public procession! If only one fallen soul of a bystander was moved an inch closer to Christ, I believe there will be rejoicing in heaven and the entire work to pull this procession off would be worth it!


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    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 04:15:32 PM »
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  • Well, Henry might think I'm nit-picking, but I wish they would have used some of that awesome imagery to actually say something. My children were standing here watching and asking me "why are they doing a procession?" and I seriously had to say "I don't know" until it got to the end of the video where they asked for prayers during the Synod. (Admittedly, I missed the single word "Synod" in the title before I hit play.) I suppose you can presume that anyone watching the video knows about the Synod, but nothing was mentioned about what they are praying will or will not happen during the Synod. Without prior knowledge of what the SSPX believes, this could have been a procession praying that adulterous, unrepentant sinners soon be allowed to receive Holy Communion.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 05:14:16 PM »
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  • Matthew - Matthew!  You are so right.  And there are other groups too who have lost their original focus, have stopped fighting the modernist establishment - and now have the "CHARISM" of such issues as you mentioned.  Looks great - seems noble - but the devil has them as now they are off the most important trail.

    The Synod?  Good luck with that.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 05:16:29 PM »
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  • I viewed this video late this morning and also was impressed by the "glitz" of it all.  So many well meaning Catholics, the torches, the candles, the pageantry.  The video even had a drone camera to record the spectacle.  Wow, using such technology to show....what?

    I have never been a devotee of pageantry attached to the faith.  I know the Church has a long, long history of processions to celebrate and pray and my argument against it is one that I will not win.  I know that.  

    While many folks full of faith are not deliberately outward of their faith, still, their faith shows through in how they live, comport themselves in public and have relations with people around them.  You can see it in their face, their eyes, their smile.

    Pageants provide the opposite it seems to me.  Safety in numbers, protection, a chance to be outwardly faithful, while not necessarily being so inside.  Its provides validation to us that we are part of the faith, be belong, we can have come comfort in that.  Yes, processions are part of the history of the Church as it is easy, its is impressive, it is validating to us.  

    Many years ago as a young man introduced to Jesus Christ, I read Matthew 6 for the first time and was taken by the admonishment that my prayers to Him should be done in private, my prayer closet, not like the hypocrites who like to pray on street corners to show they are pious.  Their show already has its reward we are told.  
    http://biblehub.com/drb/matthew/6.htm.  This was exactly opposite of everything human nature wants to do I thought then, but then too were the Beatitudes that precede it in Matthew 5.  

    I can understand the teaching of our Blessed Lord to pray in private, because in His infinite wisdom, He knew of our propensity to the flesh, to show off, to prove, in a poor way, our faith when it is easy to do so.  It is easy to process in numbers.  Interesting, but of late, the processions I have been a part of are not so full of faith.  People chat, laugh, kids push each other for this or that reason, some folks check their cell phones.  Perhaps our Blessed Lord knew how the faithful would pervert a procession or public prayer, especially one of large numbers that is more spectacle than what might be in our own prayer closet.  But, yet, no one would see us in the closet.  


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    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 05:20:14 PM »
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  • So you have an ever-crowded group of Christians and Catholics trying (hopelessly) to defend the Natural Law, even as these increasingly modern families open their homes to the modern world to an ever-increasing degree.

    As the world ceased to be looked at as a "boogey man" by these liberalized Catholics, in comes the world's influence for entertainment, music, dress, fashion, you name it -- and that's the real root of the Abortion problem. The immodesty and loss of innocence at a younger and younger age. Immodesty leads to birth control, which leads to abortion. You don't get there overnight.

    Letting the wife work leads to divorce. Eventually. Not immediately, but it's one of the ways the traditional family is attacked.

    Groups like the SSPX will now speak of "prudence" in letting your wife work for economic reasons, to better educate the children, etc.

    But the problem must be fought at the root: Hedonism, feminism, materialism, consumerism, and godlessness. That is why women have abortions. And all those things come in, or come in easier, once you've let your guard down and began to treat the World -- or Vatican II -- as something less evil than the devil himself.

    (In case there is any doubt, YES I am saying the World and Vatican II must be opposed as vigorously as the devil himself).


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    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 06:39:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew

    Letting the wife work leads to divorce. Eventually. Not immediately, but it's one of the ways the traditional family is attacked.

    Groups like the SSPX will now speak of "prudence" in letting your wife work for economic reasons, to better educate the children, etc.



    I'm sorry, but, WHAT!
    Believe it or not, but living the Faith in America isn't as easy or economically fair as it used to be. It is very difficult to raise and feed a family in America. One paycheck alone is not enough to sustain a family anymore. I wish my wife could stay home and take care of the household chores and the younger children but that just isn't economically feasible anymore. Gas, food, schooling, repairs, life is not the same as it was a few decades ago.
    It is very irresponsible for you to make such accusations! First off, your tone and diction is inappropriate. I am not the master of my wife. If she prays and discerns that working outside the home is pleasing to God, her husband, and family, she can do it.
    Anyway...

    Secondly, I wish to address, once again, the main topic of this thread: the procession. In my home country in the Middle East, participation in any public demonstration of Christianity will get you in trouble in many parts of the country. I remember, growing up, the May processions and the Good Friday processions were the highlight of the seasons because it was an opportunity to show the community and the nation that "We are here, we have not gone away." I believe, in many ways, this procession echos that same message. Many of the neighboring parishes, I bet, get weekly doses of "Beware of Saint Mary's... they are in schism.... they reject the Pope, etc."

    Collectively, the procession is a demonstration to the community and the ordinary Bishop that "We are here, we aren't going anywhere." However, individually, it means so much more... The faithful in this procession will be seen by their coworkers, by their neighbors, by their own friends and give their own demonstration of "I am here, this is my Faith, in which I place my trust and I am not going anywhere." It is a reassurance of the people in the other parishes that the SSPX is, indeed, faithful to the real Catholic Faith.

    I believe they had to fight very hard to get this procession approved by city officials. I bet it will be even harder for the next few years to come. However, similar to a previous thread about "Our Lady of Sorrows" in Phoenix, Arizona, you must not look at these things with black glasses. It is very uncharitable.

    And, to the comment referring to "pageantry." RUBBISH. People who are in love spare no expense to show their affection, their devotion.
    Our Lady deserves thousands of torches, fields of roses, crowns of gold....  



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    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 07:15:15 PM »
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  • Henry 101, who cares about demonstrations to the community about anything?  Does our Blessed Lord need "demonstrations" by whoever?  God said that "I am who I am".  That is troubling to wrap our minds around, but we mortals tend to think in terms of our own minds and understanding.  Jesus Christ told us that we should tend to think in a different way, opposite from what we want to think.  

    Does our Blessed Lord need us to "impress" upon our neighbors that "we are not going away"?  

    The troubling thing about all this procession heritage is that we have Jesus Christ admonishing the Jєωs about making a huge thing of praying in public and saying that well, what they receive from that public demonstration is their reward, nothing more.  Man wants to just dismiss the teaching that goes against our own temptations and will and do what they believe will make the best "impression".  Impression on who?  Is pride a factor?  Showing off?  Showing the no chapels that we have it and they don't?  Will that win the kingdom? And who cares what problems the organizers went up against to get the procession approved?  Does this mean anything to our Blessed Lord?  Government approval, really?  

    Impressions are short lived so any made today are easily lost when the next show doesn't live up to its calling or those that put on the show fail, and they will do so eventually.   People guided by impressions are easily lead off in a different direction the next time satan lures prideful people to do something else to attract favor. It is almost as if the SSPX could not help itself but to have a procession, and with a drone camera no less.  A pity they went for the bait.  


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    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 08:08:20 AM »
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    As the world ceased to be looked at as a "boogey man" by these liberalized Catholics, in comes the world's influence for entertainment, music, dress, fashion, you name it -- and that's the real root of the Abortion problem. The immodesty and loss of innocence at a younger and younger age. Immodesty leads to birth control, which leads to abortion. You don't get there overnight.


    No it doesn't happen overnight.  In your case, you went from a beautiful public profession of faith to abortion within the first nine posts on the topic.

    Come on, man.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 10:29:04 AM »
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  • I'm sorry but it seems a bit like straining a gnat to swallow camel to criticize this procession. One gets the feeling sometimes that some on this forum just want the SSPX to be guilty of something contrary ALL THE TIME.
    Are we not as Christians supposed to let our lamps shine for all to see? I seem to remember something to the effect of not covering them with bushel baskets and such.
    Did someone actually make a critical comment because a remote controlled device was used to film the procession from the air? If anyone is trolling these boards and sees those type of comments, I dare say they would be justified in dismissing the lot as simply ridiculous loons.

    A procession echoes the sentiment of the Church's rights by making a very public statement based on ACT and not REACTIONARY behavior that TRUTH does have rights. In this day and age when fαɢɢօtry and every other extreme of human filth parades down Main Street of any country of the damnable Western World, a group still trying to give a righteous acknowledgement to OLJC and Our Lady in the public square, ought to be commended.

    I would bet that His Excellency would wholeheartedly agree as well.



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    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2015, 10:38:20 AM »
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  • "Let processions come hither." - Our Lady of Lourdes

    Many processions have wrought cures, conversions and other miracles.

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    Henry 101, who cares about demonstrations to the community about anything?  Does our Blessed Lord need "demonstrations" by whoever?  God said that "I am who I am".  That is troubling to wrap our minds around, but we mortals tend to think in terms of our own minds and understanding.  Jesus Christ told us that we should tend to think in a different way, opposite from what we want to think.  

    Does our Blessed Lord need us to "impress" upon our neighbors that "we are not going away"?  

    The troubling thing about all this procession heritage is that we have Jesus Christ admonishing the Jєωs about making a huge thing of praying in public and saying that well, what they receive from that public demonstration is their reward, nothing more.  Man wants to just dismiss the teaching that goes against our own temptations and will and do what they believe will make the best "impression".  Impression on who?  Is pride a factor?  Showing off?  Showing the no chapels that we have it and they don't?  Will that win the kingdom? And who cares what problems the organizers went up against to get the procession approved?  Does this mean anything to our Blessed Lord?  Government approval, really?  

    Impressions are short lived so any made today are easily lost when the next show doesn't live up to its calling or those that put on the show fail, and they will do so eventually.   People guided by impressions are easily lead off in a different direction the next time satan lures prideful people to do something else to attract favor. It is almost as if the SSPX could not help itself but to have a procession, and with a drone camera no less.  A pity they went for the bait.  

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    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2015, 11:15:25 AM »
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    I'm sorry but it seems a bit like straining a gnat to swallow camel to criticize this procession. One gets the feeling sometimes that some on this forum just want the SSPX to be guilty of something contrary ALL THE TIME.


    Let the record show that Nickolas just gave his own quirky, person opinion about processions, which is very much at odds with the opinions of

    * Matthew
    * the majority of CathInfo
    * the Catholic Church

    Yes, processions don't guarantee sanctity, but they certainly help! Public professions of Faith are exactly what we need in the modern world today. We need Christ the King to rule in public life.

    All I (and others) would like to point out is that the SSPX Crisis is not over, just because they do a public procession. Processions CAN be done for a multitude of motivations, including good public relations/publicity!

    "A broken clock is right twice a day." Well, the SSPX is a broken clock with its arms pointing to "11:14" and -- what do you know! -- it happens to be 11:14 right now. Good for them!

    If the SSPX never did anything trad or apparently trad, they wouldn't be able to keep very many of their (trad) parishioners, now would they? The fact is that the SSPX is compromised, and has fundamentally changed its stance on Vatican II and the Newchurch. That is the problem that we must acknowledge, and why the new direction in the SSPX must be Resisted.
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