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PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:10:19 AM »
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  • This sermon is regarding the consecration of Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer. Fr. Chazal clearly states his take on how the cosecration went. The consecration creates a question of validity. The line that Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer is creating could be a noxious line. Dangerous, POISONOUS!!The consecration is a question of validity.By the looks of it, Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer has officially cut the line between him and the late Archbishop Lefebvre. Please watch the video.
    Note: Don't wish for Fr. Chazal to be a bishop, we have asked for it so many times.  He jokes and says he does not want to be a bishop but a Cardinal!haha!


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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2020, 07:50:45 AM »
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  • A Satanic priest can be valid, as can the mass he says.  A Catholic who voluntarily and knowingly uses him or attends his mass will go to Hell, no doubt.

    You don’t run ahead of God.  That’s putting your personal will ahead of His.  It’s the sin of presumption if done knowingly.  A humble man, even if he’s sure he’s meant to be a bishop, will not actively seek consecration.  He can confide in his superiors or confreres, and, indeed, ought to do so in most cases.  “In the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be confirmed.”  II Cor. 13:1. Fr. Pf., having sought those witnesses and not finding them, rather, the contrary, has placed his will over that of Our Lord.  How sad.  Nothing good will come of it, either for himself or the faithful.  

    It’s an awful experience to discover you’ve naively received a doubtfully valid sacrament from a man who may not have been a priest—-no way to find out!  I refer to a general confession made in an effort to return to the Church.  I prepared very thoroughly and went into the confessional in fear and trembling having not been to Confession since age nine.  I was then in my early 40s!  I discovered six months later that the man probably wasn’t a priest!   I had to use the remaining three days of a retreat to try and re-confess everything.  For over a decade, and even now, occasionally, an omitted sin will come to my mind.  This is not good for one prone to scrupulousity. 

    I’ve been “baptized” four times under similar circuмstances, Confirmed twice, and given a doubtful anointing for Last Rites, again, bad shepherds.

    I can fully understand why some Catholics choose “home-alone-ism.”  



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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2020, 07:58:14 AM »
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  • A Satanic priest can be valid, as can the mass he says.  A Catholic who voluntarily and knowingly uses him or attends his mass will go to Hell, no doubt.

    You don’t run ahead of God.  That’s putting your personal will ahead of His.  It’s the sin of presumption if done knowingly.  A humble man, even if he’s sure he’s meant to be a bishop, will not actively seek consecration.  He can confide in his superiors or confreres, and, indeed, ought to do so in most cases.  “In the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be confirmed.”  II Cor. 13:1. Fr. Pf., having sought those witnesses and not finding them, rather, the contrary, has placed his will over that of Our Lord.  How sad.  Nothing good will come of it, either for himself or the faithful.  

    It’s an awful experience to discover you’ve naively received a doubtfully valid sacrament from a man who may not have been a priest—-no way to find out!  I refer to a general confession made in an effort to return to the Church.  I prepared very thoroughly and went into the confessional in fear and trembling having not been to Confession since age nine.  I was then in my early 40s!  I discovered six months later that the man probably wasn’t a priest!   I had to use the remaining three days of a retreat to try and re-confess everything.  For over a decade, and even now, occasionally, an omitted sin will come to my mind.  This is not good for one prone to scrupulousity.

    I’ve been “baptized” four times under similar circuмstances, Confirmed twice, and given a doubtful anointing for Last Rites, again, bad shepherds.

    I can fully understand why some Catholics choose “home-alone-ism.”  
    I agree.
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    So many bad shepherds.... 
    So many illicit ones....
    So many invalid ones...
    So many illegitimate ones...
    So many perverts.
    Not surprising some jump ship.

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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2020, 08:54:49 AM »
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  • This sermon is regarding the consecration of Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer. Fr. Chazal clearly states his take on how the cosecration went. The consecration creates a question of validity. The line that Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer is creating could be a noxious line. Dangerous, POISONOUS!!The consecration is a question of validity.By the looks of it, Fr.(Bp.) Joe Pfeiffer has officially cut the line between him and the late Archbishop Lefebvre. Please watch the video.
    Note: Don't wish for Fr. Chazal to be a bishop, we have asked for it so many times.  He jokes and says he does not want to be a bishop but a Cardinal!haha!




    Boooooo!

    I love and support Fr. Chazal and his entire apostolate, but PLEASE for the love of the Holy Catholic Faith STOP trying to chase Hollywood and the neo-SSPX with their flashy, over-produced videos! I don't know who this "Righteous Knight Cinematografia" is, but let's just say, NOT A FAN.

    There's being a good actor, and then there's "hamming" it up. This guy is doing the latter. It's like he's trying to showcase all the features he's figured out in his video editing software package -- when it comes to adding features, his guideline seems to be "the more the better". Who cares if it actually makes the video better, or adds to the final product. This video is FIRST and FOREMOST a portfolio, resume, showcase for this man's abilities as a video guy.

    Sorry TAN Books, neo-SSPX, etc. -- you just can't compete with the constant cuts (never the same thing on-screen for more than 1-2 seconds), fast motion, excitement, pumping music of a Hollywood blockbuster. That's the mistake of Vatican 2 -- "make the Faith more accessible, more accommodating to modern men living in the modern world!" The Catholic Faith just isn't spread that way. God has to speak in the silence of your heart. You must meditate on God's words and let them sink deep into your soul.

    I'm sorry, but if someone can't be reached with a "boring" sermon video -- they aren't going to be reached. You can only pray for them.  Reality is harsh sometimes, but it's reality nonetheless.

    I'm not 10 years old with the attention span of a fruit fly. I was hoping for a regular, humble, "boring" recording of Father's sermon. You know, where you aim the video camera at Father and hit record -- then hit stop when he finishes the sermon. This video was so bad I couldn't watch it, and I really wanted to.

    Maybe I'll turn the screen brightness all the way down, face the phone away from me, and try just listening to it.
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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2020, 09:02:39 AM »
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  • I can fully understand why some Catholics choose “home-alone-ism.”

    I agree.
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    So many bad shepherds....
    So many illicit ones....
    So many invalid ones...
    So many illegitimate ones...
    So many perverts.
    Not surprising some jump ship.

    There is no duty to have recourse to clerics who work without an apostolic mandate. So I wouldn't call it to "jump ship".


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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2020, 10:38:23 AM »
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  • Very well articulated, as usual, by Father Chazal.  Whether he wants to be a bishop or not, I think it should be "forced upon [him]" (to use his own phrase in the video).  He it not only very learned, but he's also extremely prudent and has common sense (sometimes those two do not go together).  I would have confidence in him to run a good seminary.  If he ran a seminary, I would recommend potential vocations to go there.  I've always like him, since seminary days.

    In any case, there were recorded cases where candidates (later to become great Church Fathers and saints) did not want to be consecrated but they were almost literally forced to be consecrated by popular acclaim.

    His position is mine also, that the form was not valid due to corruption of the essential root words and that, given his track record, I cannot trust +?Pfeiffer's word alone that the conditional was actually done and that it was done correctly.  He also called out the lack of integrity on +?Pfeiffer's part to seek consecration from a sedevacantist whereas he has always been rabidly anti-sedevacantist.

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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2020, 11:26:48 AM »
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  • +?Pfeiffer

    Isn't it &@*#-$Pfeiffer?  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2020, 11:49:56 AM »
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  • Isn't it &@*#-$Pfeiffer?  :laugh1:

    Perhaps it's both.  But this might suggest you have a tendency to rage, and to road rage in particular, and we all know what Father Pfeiffer said about road rage.


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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2020, 02:20:02 PM »
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  • we all know what Father Pfeiffer said about road rage.

    I don't.


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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2020, 04:57:23 PM »
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  • Thanks, Ladislaus!


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    Re: PRIEST THOU ART... - Fr. Chazal, MCSPX
    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2020, 07:40:14 AM »
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  • .
    His position is mine also, that the form was not valid due to corruption of the essential root words and that, given his track record, I cannot trust +?Pfeiffer's word alone that the conditional was actually done and that it was done correctly.  He also called out the lack of integrity on +?Pfeiffer's part to seek consecration from a sedevacantist whereas he has always been rabidly anti-sedevacantist.
    Right on both accounts.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 05, 2020, 09:32:26 AM »
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  • https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-pfeiffer-gone-mad-very-inappropriate-sermon/msg582325/#msg582325
    Basically, Father taught in this sermon, erroneously, that there aren't 7 Capital Sins but rather just one: Lust.
    As if other capital sins could be distilled down to Lust, as if they aren't really capital at all.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 05, 2020, 09:48:06 AM »
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  • Basically, Father taught in this sermon, erroneously, that there aren't 7 Capital Sins but rather just one: Lust.
    As if other capital sins could be distilled down to Lust, as if they aren't really capital at all.
    I can recall a sermon by an sspx priest who said there are 8 capital sins, #8 being vain glory.