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Offline apollo

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Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
« on: November 22, 2021, 08:09:27 AM »
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #1 on: November 22, 2021, 08:19:03 AM »
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  • Letter is not signed, the priest may be a Novus Ordo or other questionable ordained "priest", in which case, it is undoubtable better to go with a valid SSPX priest. The SSPX is a priestly fraternity, like a cooperative, each priest has his own opinion on the matter of joining with Rome, and many other issues like EENS/BOD, Covid shots, dress code........ Or even worse the priest writing the letter could even be a sodomite, a child molester or interested in women parishioners.
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #2 on: November 22, 2021, 08:26:08 AM »
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  • Letter is not signed, the priest may be a Novus Ordo or other questionable ordained "priest", in which case, it is undoubtable better to go with a valid SSPX priest. The SSPX is a priestly fraternity, like a cooperative, each priest has his own opinion on the matter of joining with Rome, and many other issues like EENS/BOD, Covid shots, dress code........ Or even worse the priest writing the letter could even be a sodomite, a child molester or interested in women parishioners.
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    No.  He is a traditional priest, validly ordained by B. Williamson or B. Faure.
    He refused to close for 2 weeks to flatten the curve, when SSPX chapel was closed.

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #3 on: November 22, 2021, 08:38:53 AM »
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  • For what it’s worth, I was there at the sermon. I know the priest. He is not a homo, child molester or a novus ordo preist.
    There are a number of other cathinfo members that will say the same as me.

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #4 on: November 22, 2021, 08:42:02 AM »
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  • Father nailed it right here, by citing this historical precedence:


    Well, I make the analogy between the priests of the SSPX, and the priests who during the French Revolution swore obedience to the Revolutionary power.

    Note that this is not a question of the validity of the sacraments.
    The swearing priests, as they were called, had been validly ordained and gave valid sacraments, as do the SSPX priests.

    But the SSPX, to some extent like the swearing priests, have submitted to the revolutionary authorities:

    Pope Francis and the diocesan bishops, who are destroying God's holy Church and sending souls to hell.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #5 on: November 22, 2021, 08:46:16 AM »
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    No.  He is a traditional priest, validly ordained by B. Williamson or B. Faure.
    He refused to close for 2 weeks to flatten the curve, when SSPX chapel was closed.
    Now we know, but as to the rest, we do not know. He has absolutely no reason not to sign the letter.
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #6 on: November 22, 2021, 08:49:39 AM »
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  • Sunday Nov 14th 2021
    If they go to the SSPX mass for convenience, I have to think that they go to the resistance mass for convenience too? Anyhow, it does not show much conviction. God does not care much for the indifferent, the lukewarm,  "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot. But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth" (Rev 3:15-16) 
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2021, 09:01:10 AM »
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  • The fact that it is not signed gives me pause.
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    I did not get permission from the priest to publish it.
    So I did not include the priest's name.
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    However, it is an excellent sermon and sorely needed,
    as the SSPX is being destroyed by the headquarters.
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    Actually, most of the sermon is from Pope Pius VI.
    If that is not good enough for you, then too bad.
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #8 on: November 22, 2021, 09:05:19 AM »
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    I did not get permission from the priest to publish it.
    So I did not include the priest's name.

    As you can see from the responses, you should have gotten his permission before publishing it, so you could post his name.
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #9 on: November 22, 2021, 09:29:41 AM »
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  • Who’s the priest?

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #10 on: November 22, 2021, 10:04:58 AM »
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  • The fact that it is not signed gives me pause.
    He did not sign it, because it was not a letter/e-mail to be distributed. It is a copy of the his sermon for those who regularly attend the chapel, so those who regularly attend the chapel already know who he is.


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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #11 on: November 22, 2021, 11:05:22 AM »
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  • Puzzle has a major axe to grind with all (legit, non-Indult) Traditional groups.

    He is a parishioner at Fr. Perez's chapel in California, and is reeling from the setbacks there at the moment.

    So he posted dozens of times about sɛҳuąƖ abuse allegations over the past 4 decades at any Trad group he could find. Re-hashing things that are many years -- as many as 40 years -- past. I had to lock a few of his threads, where he was muck-raking and obsessing.

    If you have enough years (50?) and a large enough pool (how many priests in Tradition over the past 50 years? How many Traditional Catholic FAITHFUL?) you can collect and make a PILE of just about anything. That doesn't necessarily mean there's a conspiracy, cover-up, or pattern.

    I'll give you your pattern right here: ORIGINAL SIN. You're not going to find sinlessness in ANY group of human beings, not even divine institutions like the Catholic Church. So you can give up on that little quest RIGHT now. If that means you apostatize, then may God have mercy on your soul. 

    I don't know why Puzzle feels the need to tear down every other group -- is it because he suspects or SEES problems at his own chapel? If everywhere else is worse, then even the problems he sees at home seem justifiable to continue attendance. Maybe that's how he sees it.

    At any rate, his presence here is incurably toxic, so I'm banning him. Last week when I locked those muck-raking threads, I almost banned him. But I wanted to give him a chance. Apparently he's incorrigible.

    His toxicity was proven in this thread, wherein he reads the words of a very serious, obviously well educated, somewhat cerebral priest, and with ZERO basis jumps to the rash judgment that he is mired in the basest sins of the flesh. 

    Puzzle's soul is NOT in a good state. Such wretched, bitter, unhappy, malicious souls do CathInfo NO credit.

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #12 on: November 22, 2021, 11:06:04 AM »
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  • Father nailed it right here, by citing this historical precedence:


    Well, I make the analogy between the priests of the SSPX, and the priests who during the French Revolution swore obedience to the Revolutionary power.

    Note that this is not a question of the validity of the sacraments.
    The swearing priests, as they were called, had been validly ordained and gave valid sacraments, as do the SSPX priests.

    But the SSPX, to some extent like the swearing priests, have submitted to the revolutionary authorities:

    Pope Francis and the diocesan bishops, who are destroying God's holy Church and sending souls to hell.

    I thought the same thing. This is a great excerpt from the sermon.
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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #13 on: November 22, 2021, 12:34:52 PM »
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  • In MHO the comparison is not fair. During the French revolution, similar to the English reformation, it was evident to everyone who was right and who was wrong, black and white situation, even if you didn't know your catechism.

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    Re: Priest gives SSPX red-light warning.
    « Reply #14 on: November 22, 2021, 02:24:17 PM »
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  • In MHO the comparison is not fair. During the French revolution, similar to the English reformation, it was evident to everyone who was right and who was wrong, black and white situation, even if you didn't know your catechism.
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    That's why people who cannot see the obvious, should rely on the judgment of
    good priests who can see the obvious.  Archbishop Lefevbre was one of those.
    Fortunately, we still have other priests who can see the crisis.  

    Then there are many people today who plainly DON'T WANT to see the obvious
    and don't want to read Archbishop Lefevbre's last interview:

    http://drbo.org/lefebvre.htm

    Others are obsessed with obedience to the authorities in the SSPX.
    Others just want to go with the crowd.

    When most men see the truth coming at them, they get out of the way.