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It's the Holy Catholic Faith that needs defending, not a so-called "seer" and her messages.

Requesting the prayer of the Rosary, is not defending the Holy Catholic Faith?

Praying the Holy Rosary is a must for every Catholic.  It doesn't take a seer for us to know that.  Though absolutely necessary, defending the Faith involves more than prayer.  It involves speaking out against the errors of Vatican II and all the horrors in its aftermath by those who should be our shepherds, and the willingness to shed our blood if necessary so that it not be degraded.

Exactly and one further point theologically speaking the Rosary is not the sum totality of the Faith, if it were, what did our forebears in the Faith do until the time of St. Dominic i.e. before there was a Rosary ? (I pray mine everyday for the fulfilment of the requests at Fatima !)

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Exactly and one further point theologically speaking the Rosary is not the sum totality of the Faith, if it were, what did our forebears in the Faith do until the time of St. Dominic i.e. before there was a Rosary ? (I pray mine everyday for the fulfilment of the requests at Fatima !)

You're not exactly correct. The Rosary does sum up most of our Faith, at least in its essentials.

Apostles Creed - Cover the important dogmas right there -- at least the ones the Apostles thought important!
Our Father - The one prayer Our Lord taught us personally
Hail Mary - Angelic Salutation, half of it is in Scripture itself
Glory Be - Doxology of praise to God as Trinity
O My Jesus - Prayer the angel taught the shepherd children to say, for the salvation of souls
Hail Holy Queen - Beautiful prayer to Our Lady, which is another hallmark of Catholicism (devotion to the Blessed Mother and seeking her intercession)

The 15 mysteries of the Rosary cover most of the main dogmas of our Faith. "Who by his life, death, and resurrection has purchased for us..."

You need not ask, "What did they use before the time of St. Dominic" because we're not in the time of St. Dominic. To paraphrase Gandalf, the Rosary "is never late. It arrived exactly when it meant to."

Seriously, God's Providence gave us the Rosary exactly when it was needed. It would be needed on a "from now on" basis, which is why it's so important to this day.

The whole world gives witness to the fact that the Rosary is the quintessential Catholic prayer. When people see a Rosary, they know they're dealing with a Catholic (or at least a Catholic wannabe/cultural Catholic).


No one mistakes the religion of someone carrying a Rosary.

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Very true; however, the Holy Mass is at the top of what sums up our Faith.  It is the first thing attacked by those who wish to destroy it.

Yet in saying that, the Holy Rosary is the great gift of Our Lady in these tumultuous times.

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They deleted my post!!!!!

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're right.

1. There's no "they" -- just me. It's a monarchy, not an oligarchy or a committee.

2. As a corollary, if you ever see red ink in a post, you can automatically assume it's me.

I won't have hatred spewed at any consecrated man of God on my forum. This is a Traditional Catholic forum. Hating bishops isn't Catholic. To allow it, I'd be approving of it, and I'd have to answer at MY judgment and it might cost me my salvation as well.

I don't care what the Novus Ordo has done to Charity's good name, but the fact remains that we are under an obligation to be charitable to our fellow men, but especially those who bear the sacred character of the Priesthood.

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In our times there is a great danger, my dear brethren, that threatens all of us traditionalists a little, we who call ourselves traditionalists, who rightly wish to keep the Tradition. There is a danger that threatens us, because the authorities in Rome, failing to do their duty, as it were, are no longer doing anything, in a mysterious, incomprehensible way, but they are no longer doing anything to truly condemn the errors, to condemn the doctrinal deviations of our faith. The Church no longer acts. Everyone is labouring in search of truth. The theologians, the priests, the bishops, are all in search of truth. And yet Rome says nothing. People can say anything; they can write anything, and there is nothing said except against the traditionalists.

But this failure of the Authority of Rome is very serious. Because this puts us in a troubled situation, in a confused situation. No wonder that even amongst the traditionalists, we are like orphans without a father. The bishops no longer do anything, the bishops no longer lead us. They no longer tell us what we must do, where is the truth and where is the error, where is the good, and where is the evil. We no longer know, the people no longer know.

So there is the tendency to be led towards this or that devotion, to be led towards this or that group who, they say, have relations with heaven, this or that person who has, they say, messages, another who would have particular inspirations. It is very dangerous. Why? Because when the bishops are there, when the bishops act as pastors of the flock, they watch. And if there is something in the flock, if a person comes to tell a bishop: I had special relations with the Blessed Virgin, the Blessed Virgin appeared to me, the Blessed Virgin told me this, Our Lord told me that, then the bishop says: well, we will examine this. I will name for you this or that canon lawyer, this or that theologian who will go to see you, who will question you, who will see if everything is correct. After six months, one year, or two years, after a very meticulous study, the bishop says yes or no. He gives a judgement. The faithful are led, they are protected.

If the apparition is real, then there is no danger for the faith, if everything in it is conformed to our faith. But if it is not conformed to the faith, the bishop must protect the flock against these things that may be diabolical, because the demon knows very well how to imitate heaven and he fools us. Nowadays there is no longer anyone to guide us, no longer anyone to judge us, so people run here and there, now they hear a rumour, then again another rumour. When that happens, we must remember the words of Our Lord: “A day will come when they will tell you: Our Lord is in the desert, Our Lord is in the city, Our Lord is here, Our Lord is there. Do not go there”, Our Lord said this. And why should you not go there? Because you do not know, you could find yourself amongst the demons. Stay, therefore, in the faith. In our times, we must keep the faith.

But where is the faith? In your catechism – it’s not difficult. Open your catechism, you have everything. The catechism is the way to heaven. It is your book that leads you to heaven. Take your Credo. You have the commandments of God and of the Church, you have the sacraments, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the Christian virtues, the Our Father, the devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. With that you have everything. There is no need of anything else. That is the résumé of Tradition, it is the résumé of revelation, it is the résumé of Tradition and of the Scriptures. It is that which the apostles have put into our hands and which the bishops from generation to generation have given us. We must cling to this and beware of all the rest.

We live in a time when the demon is more powerful than ever. So we must watch out. We must watch out for all those things which are a little extraordinary that could lead us this way and that way and that could make us forget what is essential, because the devil can distract us from the faith. He wants to deceive us, so he distracts us with one thing or another, and during that time, we do not do the work that we are supposed to do. We must therefore maintain our faith. That is what I would like the priory to be also: a house where the faith is maintained.

Well then, do not be astonished if our priests are not always very enthusiastic over this or that so-called apparition, this or that place of pilgrimage. I am not speaking about the ancient shrines that have been confirmed by Tradition, such as St. Joseph in Montreal or the three great traditional shrines of Quebec. I am speaking of the new places of pilgrimage that all of a sudden spring out in one place, that are suddenly in another place, etc.

Sermon of Archbishop Lefebvre on the occasion of the blessing of St. Pius X Priory in Shawinigan, November 8, 1977