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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2020, 02:43:35 PM »
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  • In all of the V2 changes, the canonization process is small potatoes.  The bigger issues are the new mass, new catechism, new breviary, new code of canon law, and all the heretical books/encyclicals.  These have destroyed the Faith in most catholics.
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    At least the new canonizations are getting people (who still care) to pray to "saints".  They do more for promoting prayer than any new mass.

    Oh, I disagree.  By creating the impression that Paul VI and John Paul II are saints, isn't that a practically-solemn endorsement of all this wreckage created by Vatican II?  JP2 was the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism every to occupy the papal office, and because people revered him in his life and now as endorsed by the canonization, that's all the more reason for people to think:  "ha, when John Paul II kissed the Koran and held Assisi, well, those were pleasing to God as coming from a Great saint."  Very few people have read Vatican II or have any clue about what it taught, and are more influenced by the concrete acts of JP2 praying to false gods.

    That's another reason the infiltrator Wojtyla pretended to keep a strong line on Catholic morals.  By talking big (although doing nothing) about abortion, and issues like female priests, and various questions around bio-ethics, Wojtyla tried to give the impression of being an arch-conservative, whereas his religious indifferentism was a heretical abomination.  As a consummate actor, he closed his eyes and bowed his head as if in deep contemplation, showed public reverence to Our Lady and was occasionally seen walking around with a Rosary, feigning reverence for the Blessed Sacraments while allowing baskets of consecrated hosts to be trampled upon at Catholic Woodstock festivals.  Well played, Karol.  Similarly, Ratzinger, Mr. Suite-and-Tie Modernist at Vatican II, best buddies with the Kungs and Rahners of the world, tried to play Traditionalist by offering the NOM in Latin and giving speeches in Latin and issuing the Motu.  His mission as infiltrator was to suck the remaining Traditionalists into the Conciliar establishment ... which he nearly did except for Bishop Williamson's comments about the h0Ɩ0cαųst.  After he failed in that mission, he was told to step aside and be replaced by Bergoglio ... as they decided to just go for broke.

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #16 on: September 10, 2020, 08:13:07 PM »
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  • Pax: Vatican II went all out for false ecuмenism.  Destroying the Deposits of Faith, Liturgy.  Heresy of heresies!

    What should have happened, was Vatican I to be finished.  Our Lady as Co-Redemptrix Dogma.

    But oh, we can't do that!!  And at Vatican II, Lucifer reigns.  Jews.  Of course they were there.  Why, they worked their way to the top since day one!


    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #17 on: September 10, 2020, 08:52:06 PM »
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    Oh, I disagree.  By creating the impression that Paul VI and John Paul II are saints, isn't that a practically-solemn endorsement of all this wreckage created by Vatican II? 
    Yes I get all that.  But my point is that new-canonizations are just icing on the cake.  The cake being the new mass and the V2 new-theology.  And I’m speaking of the process of new canonizations (of which Padre Pio was one).  It only mattered (to the Modernists) that JPII was canonized because of all the garbage that happened 40 yrs prior. 

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #18 on: September 10, 2020, 08:53:36 PM »
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  • Songbird, +Vigano is talking about an ecuмenical council, not ecuмenism.  2 different things.  

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #19 on: September 10, 2020, 10:22:14 PM »
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  • Yes I get all that.  But my point is that new-canonizations are just icing on the cake.  The cake being the new mass and the V2 new-theology.  And I’m speaking of the process of new canonizations (of which Padre Pio was one).  It only mattered (to the Modernists) that JPII was canonized because of all the garbage that happened 40 yrs prior.
    True, but the icing really completes the cake in this scenario. It'd be a lot easier to reject Vatican 2 as a fit of madness by bad popes and modernist bishops if it wasn't for the Church telling us that the V2 popes are somehow saints. 

    God help us out of this mess.


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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #20 on: September 11, 2020, 08:21:52 AM »
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    It'd be a lot easier to reject Vatican 2 as a fit of madness by bad popes and modernist bishops if it wasn't for the Church telling us that the V2 popes are somehow saints.
    Maybe, but not really.  Again, Modernists/Communists love to take a word and re-define it.  The new meaning of "saint" is simply one who saved their soul.  Even Judas was offered mercy.  So saying that JPII saved his soul is not a condoning of V2 nor a celebration of his sanctity.  Most people don't know about this change in definition, but it's there.

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #21 on: September 11, 2020, 09:34:23 AM »
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  • True, but the icing really completes the cake in this scenario. It'd be a lot easier to reject Vatican 2 as a fit of madness by bad popes and modernist bishops if it wasn't for the Church telling us that the V2 popes are somehow saints.

    God help us out of this mess.
    I mean, that's obviously exactly why they canonized them all, leaving aside anything else.

    I mean, I could accept that JPII, at the least, did have a cultus, but Paul VI didn't, and I don't think John XXIII did either.

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    Re: +Vigano Taking On All Defenders of Vatican II
    « Reply #22 on: September 11, 2020, 10:22:06 AM »
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  • Maybe, but not really.  Again, Modernists/Communists love to take a word and re-define it.  The new meaning of "saint" is simply one who saved their soul.  Even Judas was offered mercy.  So saying that JPII saved his soul is not a condoning of V2 nor a celebration of his sanctity.  Most people don't know about this change in definition, but it's there.
    While that may be the new meaning hidden away in the legislation somewhere(I'll have to read more about this - do you have any good articles on it?), they certainly haven't gone to any effort to spread the news. They want the world to believe JP2 and JXXIII were saints in the sense of "heroically virtuous individuals" not just men who were saved, and they do it specifically to legitimise Vatican 2.