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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Incredulous on July 31, 2016, 01:00:36 AM

Title: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Incredulous on July 31, 2016, 01:00:36 AM

While this week, District Superior, Father Wegner declared the ICA sex-scandal over, imitating the pedaphile cover-ups of his Consiliar diocesan fratres, can anyone explain how ICA suffered such a severe management failure?

There were seven priest at the watch, and still the chapel and school suffered the major pervert assaults of Sloniker and Populous.

Is it safe to assume the French, Fr. Vassal and Fr. Bergez were the dominant personalities running the operation?  

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Fr. Vassal

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Fr. Bergez

The latter, with his outdoor Catholic young-men's program, should have put him in close understanding of the boys.



And what about the four young priests?   Were they all out-to-lunch too ?

They had to be in close communication with the children?
 
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Fr. James Carlisle

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Fr. Charles Deister

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Fr. Thomas Duncan

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Fr. Stephen Reid

Is this the new, lax breed of neo-trad priests?


And finally, where was the wise elder?  

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Fr. Dellalo

What the heck was he doing?



When a disaster happens, it is natural to analyze the key management members and their roles and errors to avoid another occurrence.

Has this happened?


I suppose only Fr. Wegner knows?

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Title: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Mark 79 on July 31, 2016, 01:18:53 AM
…and Fr. Patrick Crane. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/oct/26/coeur-dalene-man-jailed-on-1-million-bond-suspecte/
Title: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Zeitun on July 31, 2016, 07:12:19 AM
I can personally attest to moral laxity on the part of Fr. Carlisle.  Several years ago my son was invited to a "bonfire/party" at the home of ICA student whose parents were out of town on vacation.  Fr. Carlisle was chaperoning a co-ed party of several dozen teens.  I played the badguy and denied my son permission to go despite his pointing out that a priest would be present.  Indeed.   :scratchchin:  The person who invited my son was a female so that shows you how modest the young maidens of ICC really are.

BTW, Fr Carlisle is Fr Hewko's nephew.  It must run in the family.
Title: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Alexandria on August 01, 2016, 11:53:03 AM
The place is traditional in name only. It wasn't always like that.


We ought to bring a class action suit against them for false promises and advertising.   :wink:
Title: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Lighthouse on August 01, 2016, 12:31:59 PM
Let me advance one more observation. I do this with a great deal of trepidation, and with no desire to add to the scandal, or add to any wrong information. I'm not dealing in names, but only to allow good and right minded people to arrive at some some kind of clarity that will protect their children and save their faith.

As far back as the 1970s 9 priests were released from the SSPX because of sedevacantist declarations and refusal of obedience to liturgical direction.  There was no hint of moral turpitude.

However, it subsequently became booted about that at least two of these 9 had some smoke arising of a homosexual nature, and a third priest has items published in newspapers of  blatant heterosexual inappropriateness and also problems with alcohol.

So we have the added worry that these problems are not recent, but might go back into the very inception of the organization.

How could smart people fail so obviously in their duties of careful selection and scrupulous formation? Unless it wasn't a major concern, and was quietly accepted?  
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: JacobRCharpentier on September 15, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
 I know this is a really old post to which I am responding, but I have one throught I would like to offer.  The question of Homo's and Pedo's within the ranks is always floating around out there.  I offer the following:  One day talking to a good friend about this very situation I asked,  about such people within the ranks of the SSPX.  His response was along the lines of, "...it is not unreasonable to believe it (the problem) is within the SSPX,"  And I offer the following for thought.  Bella Dodd  stated that the commies had placed 1200 members within the ranks of catholic seminaries for purposes of bring them down.  And would it not be unreasonable to believe that these same infiltrators would completely ignore the SSPX?  That condition would not be unlike giving a kid a $100.00 bill and sending him into a candy store.  And the SSPX is not without examples.  Urrutigoity and the recent example of the ordained gay dude who left the SSPX to sort out his gayness and to operate a tattoo parlor in Mexico.  I honestly believe there are others.  
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: songbird on September 15, 2020, 05:00:51 PM
We can not overlook Fr. Patrick Crane!  He just happened to slide over to Phoenix Our Lady of Sorrows, when Sloniker was found. Why should Crane pick up and leave Posst Falls?  

As for the 9 priest who left SSPX and made their group, I question all the hurt,pain, sorrows and agony of St. Gertrudes in Ohio.  Fr. Ramolla who played principal for a year? and then took on Albert the Great. Then he said let's have a seminary. And what happened?  Money came his way, and then, oh, the seminary idea was a failure and Ramolla bought himself a Miter and skipped off to Europe to be with Mom?  What a mess!  And was there not 2 student seminarians from Europe involved?  Again a real mess!

My prayers go out to those families who were put to so much sorrow at St. Gertrudes.
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 17, 2020, 08:43:08 PM
…and Fr. Patrick Crane. http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/oct/26/coeur-dalene-man-jailed-on-1-million-bond-suspecte/
Another boy said he spent one summer at the Latah farm when he was about 12. Sloniker’s attention escalated to nightly sexual abuse, and Sloniker also hit him with a whip, he told police.
Several of those interviewed said they reported their concerns to the priests at Immaculate Conception Church. The boy who said he was whipped by Sloniker said he shared that with Father Patrick Crane. He also told the priest that Sloniker made him strip naked
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Incredulous on September 17, 2020, 09:20:20 PM



These undisciplined sex scandals reveal that "Corporate SSPX" has lost it's graces and is no longer in good standing with Our Lord.

And when we pray for our Resistance Holy religious, we should include the old guard SSPX priests too.

Those pious ones who guided and inspired us to be true to Tradition.
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Venantius0518 on September 17, 2020, 11:44:25 PM

Fr. James Haynos, left, and Fr. Marc Vernoy, right.(https://orlando-p.prod.fsspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/colorbox-big/public/media/usa-p-orlando/med-gallery/img_7404.jpg)
Title: Re: Post Falls ICA post-mortem
Post by: Venantius0518 on September 17, 2020, 11:46:29 PM
Fr. Patrick Crane
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