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Offline Michelle

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 06:55:58 PM »
Quote from: anonymouscatholicus on Yesterday at 05:53:04 PM
"This authority, however, (though it has been given to man and is exercised by man), is not human but rather divine, granted to Peter by a divine word and reaffirmed to him (Peter) and his successors by the One Whom Peter confessed, the Lord saying to Peter himself, ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven‘ etc., [Mt 16:19]. Therefore whoever resists this power thus ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God [Rom 13:2], unless he invent like Manicheus two beginnings, which is false and judged by us heretical, since according to the testimony of Moses, it is not in the beginnings but in the beginning that God created heaven and earth [Gen 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."- Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII

Hardly a sedevacantist invention, right? The fact that novus ordo types still have that sensus fidelium, which btw. R&R knocked out of of most traditionalists passing through their camp, is a natural default position that every catholic should hold on to.
To be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to adhere to the constant, unchangeable teachings and doctrine transmitted from Pope to Pope.  At Vatican ll, there was a rejection of Papal doctrine, there was a departure and schism of the modernists from the teaching authority of the Church. They have refused to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. The faithful remain subject to 2000 years of transmitted doctrine and therefore are subject to the Roman Pontiff and Catholic teachings.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:54:26 PM »
Quote from: Michelle on Yesterday at 06:55:58 PM
To be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to adhere to the constant, unchangeable teachings and doctrine transmitted from Pope to Pope.  At Vatican ll, there was a rejection of Papal doctrine, there was a departure and schism of the modernists from the teaching authority of the Church. They have refused to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. The faithful remain subject to 2000 years of transmitted doctrine and therefore are subject to the Roman Pontiff and Catholic teachings.
So, Michelle, you don't think that Pope Boniface in this passage is insisting that Catholics must be subject to the reigning Sovereign Pontiff? I think that is what he means, and that is how the sedevacantists use it against R&R as you can see on this thread. Then the question becomes, what does it mean to be a good subject.
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Offline Michelle

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 09:09:46 PM »
I'm sure Pope Boniface when writing this was assuming the Pontiff is Catholic.
I'm not sure what the R&R and Sedes argue about.  I was commenting in reply to the "Novus Ordo types" submitting to the Pontiff.  
Submitting to a man sitting in the Vatican that does not hold the Catholic faith but wars against it, is not proper obedience.
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